DSEI 2015: British Army considers new MBT in response to Russia's Armata

[Zarvan]

Key Points

• The UK is looking at upgrade or replacement options for its current Challenger 2 MBT
• The effort has partly been prompted by the unveiling of Russia's new-generation T-14 Armata MBT in May

Senior British Army officers and procurement officials are examining the future of the BAE Systems Challenger 2 main battle tank (MBT), including possibly buying a new vehicle.

The British Army is examining its options to upgrade or replace its Challenger 2 MBTs, senior officials told IHS Jane's at DSEI 2015. (IHS/Patrick Allen)

The effort is a continuation of a project launched more than a decade ago to upgrade the British Army's tank fleet, but earlier this year army chiefs ordered a wider effort to look at radical solutions to the increasing obsolescence of the service's 227 Challenger 2s.




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DSEI 2015: British Army considers new MBT in response to Russia's Armata - IHS Jane's 360

 

[Archie]

What's the point of having just 227 tanks, if your enemy is Russia
The Indian Army has more tanks than the EU,

Ironically, barring France, rest of the EU is incapable of facing a Russian Onslaught

And if France Decides to remain Neutral, then EU will loose 25% of its Combat power

 

[Pakistani E]

What's the point of having just 227 tanks, if your enemy is Russia
The Indian Army has more tanks than the EU,

Ironically, barring France, rest of the EU is incapable of facing a Russian Onslaught

And if France Decides to remain Neutral, then EU will loose 25% of its Combat power

That's where the US and its mighty military comes in...

 

[Penguin]

What's the point of having just 227 tanks, if your enemy is Russia
The Indian Army has more tanks than the EU,

Ironically, barring France, rest of the EU is incapable of facing a Russian Onslaught

And if France Decides to remain Neutral, then EU will loose 25% of its Combat power

Mmmm, and then you add up the tanks of UK, France, Germany, Italy, Spain etc and compare that to Russia (i.e. apples and oranges)

Considering how long it takes to develop a new MBT, and considering the cost (i.e. the need to cooperate among EU and/or NATO countries) and the checkered history of co-development, it is ABOUT TIME the UK starts thinking about a Challenger 2 replacement. I doubt Armata has much effect other than as a reminder.

 

[BATTLE FIELD]

if they are replacing the Challenger fearing of T-14.
think what other MBT would do against armata.

i think British challenger is the best tank till now.(my own thought)

 

[Penguin]

Both Leo 2 and Abrams have already trialled 140mm cannon many years ago. Armor is continuously evolving

 

[Archie]

The British Army needs 800 State of the Art MBTs if it hopes to face Russian Armour and Survive till US Marines land in Normandy and Belfast

 

[Indus Pakistan]

The British Army needs 800 State of the Art MBTs if it hopes to face Russian Armour and Survive till US Marines land in Normandy and Belfast

Don't be stupid. Britain's defence needs are adjusted within the NATO defence architecture. There is almost entire continent betwee Russian and UK with a channel thrown in as well. The moment Russians move into Poland entire NATO air assets ( read USA ) would slow down any Russian armoured thrust. That would give time for US Army to mobilize it's massive ground assets. Should anything terrible go wrong like sudden collapse of NATO frontline and Russian reaching with striking range of Germany theatre nuclear missiles would be mobilized and you know where that would esclate to?

Thus in this environment UK does not need massive tank force. That only applies if you think your going to have long batteing and brusing conflict. The few tanks UK has are for scenarios like Iraq etc. Clearly down the road Armata might end up in third countries where UK could be involved thuis need for continous upgrading and re appraisel of threats.

And no why would UK want 800 tanks for? Money would be spent better on hospitals and NHS or education. Royal Navy is going to get some great ships which is needed to remind rest of the world that the G in Britain stands for Great.

 

[Archie]

Don't be stupid. Britain's defence needs are adjusted within the NATO defence architecture. There is almost entire continent betwee Russian and UK with a channel thrown in as well. The moment Russians move into Poland entire NATO air assets ( read USA ) would slow down any Russian armoured thrust. That would give time for US Army to mobilize it's massive ground assets. Should anything terrible go wrong like sudden collapse of NATO frontline and Russian reaching with striking range of Germany theatre nuclear missiles would be mobilized and you know where that would esclate to?

Thus in this environment UK does not need massive tank force. That only applies if you think your going to have long batteing and brusing conflict. The few tanks UK has are for scenarios like Iraq etc. Clearly down the road Armata might end up in third countries where UK could be involved thuis need for continous upgrading and re appraisel of threats.

And no why would UK want 800 tanks for? Money would be spent better on hospitals and NHS or education. Royal Navy is going to get some great ships which is needed to remind rest of the world that the G in Britain stands for Great.

As of now,
Royal Navy will probably loose a shooting match against India
Let alone Russia
As of now whole of EU has less Tanks and Fighters than Russia
Without USA, Japan and South Korea , NATO probably can't fight a war against Iran, let alone Russia