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Monday, 23 August 2010

DRDO chief, arguing for developing a 155mm gun in India: ‘An Indian gun will bypass difficult trials’

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An FH-77B-05 Bofors gun in action. India's MoD restarted the procurement of 155mm towed guns in July after rival maker, STK, faced blacklisting. That would have left BAE Systems as the only vendor in contention.


With the Indian Army’s procurement of 155 millimetre towed artillery guns stymied again by CBI strictures against 5 international artillery vendors, the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) has pointed out that developing an Indian gun would bypass the problematic selection of a gun from the global arms bazaar.

Business Standard has reported (29th July 10, “155 mm gun purchase: DRDO enters the fray”) that the DRDO is joining hands with a private sector company to develop and manufacture an Indian gun. Now, DRDO Director General, Dr VK Saraswat, has explained the rationale for this DRDO decision. He says that, amongst the foreign guns on offer, there is no clear winner. And, given the cutthroat nature of competition for this Rs 8000 crore contract for 1580 guns, a drumbeat of corruption allegations will keep derailing any decision.

Dr Saraswat told Business Standard, “The differences [between competing guns] are miniscule and people would like to exploit those miniscule differences… and [the MoD’s] life becomes more difficult. The [acquisition] process is today back to zero. This is not the first time it has come to zero; this has happened before…. So it is better to develop your own system.

The purchase of artillery guns, the Indian Army’s most crucial component of combat power, was stalled for 16 years by the Bofors scandal of 1987. Restarted in 2003, the procurement process has remained dogged by scandal. Over the years, the CBI has asked the MoD to blacklist five of the vendors whose guns India was evaluating for purchase: Singapore Technologies Kinetics (STK); German giant, Rheinmetall; Israel Military Industries (IMI); another Israeli gun-maker, Soltam; and South African major, Denel. BAE Systems, a front-runner in this race, is offering the FH-77B-05 howitzer, a modernised version of the controversial Bofors gun.

“The armed forces felt that this gun system can always be acquired abroad, so why should the DRDO spend time and effort (on developing the gun)?” says Dr Saraswat. “We too thought it better to focus our efforts on [technologies that could be denied to us]. But now, Indian industry and DRDO, along with the army, should make a concentrated effort to cut this Gordian knot.”

Business Standard has learned that the DRDO laboratory that will spearhead the development of an Indian 155 mm gun --- the Armament Research & Development Establishment (ARDE), Pune --- is finalizing its development partners for this project.

This will not be the first time that an Indian consortium will have come together to develop an artillery gun. In the 1950s the so-called Gun Development Team was constituted by the MoD. Functioning from the Ordnance Factory at Khamaria, the Gun Development team oversaw the “Indianisation” of two of the Indian Army’s most successful artillery guns: the 75/24 howitzer; and the 105 mm Indian Field Gun (IFG). Inexplicably, this successful experiment was wound up around the time that the Bofors FH-77B gun was imported.

Since those early days, says the DRDO chief, the Indian private sector has dramatically honed its manufacturing skills. Earlier, only the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) had the technological capability and the facilities to manufacture guns. Today, the DRDO is turning to private sector companies like the Tata Group, L&T and Bharat Forge, while retaining its traditional option, the OFB.
 
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great after 16 years of failed deals these idiots wanna build a indigenous gun.. about time...now how many years will they take to build it??? this is getting crappier day by day..why cant things go smoothly with the procurement?
 
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So they're going to start THINKING about it now....

Three years later, the specifications will be ready and funds will be allocated....

Ten years later, a prototype will be ready...

And the IA will be reduced to throwing potatoes across the border.

If there is ever a Kargil-II, these same imbeciles will be pressing panic buttons and buying Bofors at inflated prices.

I hate government babus more than terrorists
 
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I say about time. But then also bring in private players/manufacturers and give them a deadline. Let each private firm put up their own finalized/design frozen prototype and let them battle it out for the honors!
About fracking time that private firms enter the fray! Atleast in collaboration with DRDO!
 
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Noooooooooooooooooooooooo..........

You know i had a nightmare a month back..and looks like the nightmare is turning into reality.

I dont have anything against DRDO and its capable scientists...

But simply put the proposal is too late in time....we need the guns now ...and not after DRDO develops it in its own sweet time....

DRDO i feel is biting more than it can chew...there are a host of other projects going on...it would be great if they can concentrate and finish those on time and under budget...thanks and it will be the greatest help !!!
 
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I think the building the gun should be easy compared to more complex technologies like LCA and missiles.

If we have the availability of required components in India then DRDO should be able to finish the product and trails in 4-6 years.
 
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I think the building the gun should be easy compared to more complex technologies like LCA and missiles.

If we have the availability of required components in India then DRDO should be able to finish the product and trails in 4-6 years.

No ..It is one of the most complex and very demanding in terms of the complex metallurgy involved !

The gun barrel has to sustain heat generated while firing continous rounds.. there have been cases of Gun barrel burst....further there is fire control mechanism involved.

DRDO made Arjuns gun , so that should definetly help...however this would be no mean task...it would be akin to sauing..'We developed Marut, so LCA shouldnt be a problem'.
 
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well fact is IA need artillery badly

they can buy few in numbers and it will be good if India try to make

its good to start our own
 
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I am in full support of indigenious manufacturing of a gun. DRDO seems to have sorted out some of its management/planning problems. I hope they deliver it in reasonable time. IA can purchase the guns for its immediate needs.
 
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I would say lt DRDo develope these guns in India, Iam saying this knowing that at least we will get rid of these foreign firms...
 
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No ..It is one of the most complex and very demanding in terms of the complex metallurgy involved !

The gun barrel has to sustain heat generated while firing continous rounds.. there have been cases of Gun barrel burst....further there is fire control mechanism involved.

DRDO made Arjuns gun , so that should definetly help...however this would be no mean task...it would be akin to sauing..'We developed Marut, so LCA shouldnt be a problem'.

I may be wrong but I thought Arjun's gun is British?

Anyhow, making just about anything to military standards is hard, and artillery is no exception, but it's still heck a lot easier(and cheaper) than making a plane or a sophisticated missile.
 
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Guys relax this might be for future Guns. MOD has already made up mind on guns it needs for Army. They want guns from BAE systems as per Army it is the best gun. The only problem is congress is scared because of past.
 
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