Dr Moeed Pirzada just said what is in heart of every Pakistani

[SQ8]

Unfortunately - one keeps expecting different results from a choristan.

 

[ziaulislam]

Elite? people like me? didn't get you? I am not part of elite.

Middle class in Karachi supports Khan, voted him twice

sir let me put it simply

Pakistani people(especially in Punjab, Sindh and Balochistan) vote for cast and race..
IK is not a true Punjabi

so he will never win central Punjab and rural Sindh

he will, however, get votes in south Punjab and Karachi and KPK

i have no oterh explanation, if you have let me know

by the way PMLN won central punjab by clear margin(98 seats in central Punjab pmln n won more than 50) and PPPP won every time since 1970s the rural sindh

 

[Hiraa]

What he asks of us in the end, requires good and intellectual education for all classes. First people here need to be educated that our country has been plundered and pillaged.Only then we can progress as a nation and root out these criminal mafias.

Case in point. Educate to let go of the caste and race. Look beyond it and collectively come together for the future.

sir let me put it simply

Pakistani people(especially in Punjab, Sindh and Balochistan) vote for cast and race..
IK is not a true Punjabi

so he will never win central Punjab and rural Sindh

he will, however, get votes in south Punjab and Karachi and KPK

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

sir let me put it simply

Pakistani people(especially in Punjab, Sindh and Balochistan) vote for cast and race..
IK is not a true Punjabi

so he will never win central Punjab and rural Sindh

he will, however, get votes in south Punjab and Karachi and KPK

i have no oterh explanation, if you have let me know

by the way PMLN won central punjab by clear margin(98 seats in central Punjab pmln n won more than 50) and PPPP won every time since 1970s the rural sindh

@IceCold @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Pandora @Death Professor

Do you guys agree with this?

I don't think so...I believe Middle class all across Pakistan supports Khan, with some exception of few isolated strong holds of PPP/PML-N

PTI should focus on winning Central Punjab and Rural Sindh - Only then Pakistan can move forward.

This decades old rotten eggs like PPP/PML-N don't have any place in 21st century.

 

[IceCold]

Mark my words Zardari will go Scott free as was the case with Nawaj. Till the time we have a state within state that is managing and pulling strings from behind the curtains, this will be the faith of accountability in Pakistan. Even PM has stopped talking on this.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

I don't think so...I believe Middle class all across Pakistan supports Khan, with some exception of few isolated strong holds of PPP/PML-N

Middle class in Pakistan even though Educated is still ignorant like the rest. They lack foresight and they only care about their benefits and Right now just like everyone they have been affected by some of the Harsh measures GOP has to take but even in 2018 Election Middle class of Pakistan was Divided because even with education they care more about caste and Baradri this tribal mentality still exists. PTI won because it was able to get young people to vote for them fair and square middle class had very little role in PTIs victory. Every second person i know is a Nawaz Supporter they are all from middle class believe me facts dont matter corruption doesnt matter they support him because Khata ha to lgata b ha is enternal for them. Mark my words if an election happens today PMLN/PPP will win.

No matter how much System PTI is able to Fix no matter how much reforms they bring if they dont give people some relief they will loose because people of Pakistan vote to get their roads fixed get some relative some Job and other trivial things. Nation building is no where near their Minds.

I tell people that nations are made when people plant trees under whose shade they shall never sit and we as a nation are known for cutting down trees that some one else has planted for our benefit. Unless PTI is able to bring inflation down increase public spending, Improve governance in their last 2 years they will loose the next election.

 

[ziaulislam]

Mark my words Zardari will go Scott free as was the case with Nawaj. Till the time we have a state within state that is managing and pulling strings from behind the curtains, this will be the faith of accountability in Pakistan. Even PM has stopped talking on this.

wrong
the reason why Zardari and Nawaz will walk free is that people love them.

the day people stop loving them they will be strung up.
state within the state cant do shit ..they can try to manage the situation by keeping them out of power but even that is a very difficult task

you think there would even been an iota of accountability if the state hadn't been pressurizing the judiciary


if the establishment stops the pressure..not only will Lahore high court free them but give them a medal and people will cheer in the roads

 

[Pandora]

@IceCold @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Pandora @Death Professor

Do you guys agree with this?

I don't think so...I believe Middle class all across Pakistan supports Khan, with some exception of few isolated strong holds of PPP/PML-N

PTI should focus on winning Central Punjab and Rural Sindh - Only then Pakistan can move forward.

This decades old rotten eggs like PPP/PML-N don't have any place in 21st century.

In central Punjab it all caste based politics. In my native village its always Chaudaries Vs Rajay so not much space for anyone else to operate. I have worked in south punjab and saraiki belt most poor people are so oppressed by wadairas and peers that they hardly get a say in the matter. I was working in Pakistan in few years back for an NGO and i happened to come across a certain individual who was basically shadow king. That person had MNAs and MPAs coming to him every single bloody day. There was also a certain federal minister but i shall not name him and keep pardah of the rotten pieces of garbage. I have seen a few MPAs who came to see him while we were sitting on chair he made them sit on floor. His house was a castle with covering 12 Kanals and walls were almost 10-15 meters thick with enough space on top for guards to patrol easily. His house had an underground basement with every single type of weapon imaginable. He even had a certain items which i dont want to mention for my own safety.
The reason i told you this is to give you perspective that these MNAs and MPAs are nothing but maggots and small time gangstas compared to real people with power at the back. We might think we live in a democracy but in reality its a fcuking sham.

 

[ziaulislam]

Middle class in Pakistan even though Educated is still ignorant like the rest. They lack foresight and they only care about their benefits and Right now just like everyone they have been affected by some of the Harsh measures GOP has to take but even in 2018 Election Middle class of Pakistan was Divided because even with education they care more about caste and Baradri this tribal mentality still exists. PTI won because it was able to get young people to vote for them fair and square middle class had very little role in PTIs victory. Every second person i know is a Nawaz Supporter they are all from middle class believe me facts dont matter corruption doesnt matter they support him because Khata ha to lgata b ha is enternal for them. Mark my words if an election happens today PMLN/PPP will win.

No matter how much System PTI is able to Fix no matter how much reforms they bring if they dont give people some relief they will loose because people of Pakistan vote to get their roads fixed get some relative some Job and other trivial things. Nation building is no where near their Minds. I tell people that nations are made when people plant trees under whose shade they shall never sit and we as a nation are known for cutting down trees that some one else has planted for our benefit.

well if the people cant fix the blame on whose responsible for their plight than they dont deserve any relief..
let them choose maryaum nawaz..you can chnage a slavery mindset can you.

the issue is not how uneducated people vote..is how the educate people vote..vast majority of educated in people in punjab and sindh still support natioanlist govts

 

[El Sidd]

He even had a certain items which i dont want to mention for my own safety.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

well if the people cant fix the blame on whose responsible for their plight than they dont deserve any relief..
let them choose maryaum nawaz..you can chnage a slavery mindset can you.

the issue is not how uneducated people vote..is how the educate people vote..vast majority of educated in people in punjab and sindh still support natioanlist govts

I live here i want this Country to progress and not waste another decade I dont want to be a part of this collective suicide People of Pakistan are so fond of. Maryam/Bilawala are 2 Nightmares i pray every day that God Forbid they shall never happen.

 

[ziaulislam]

This is also subjective which depends on overall voter turnout across the nation. I dont think it will be more then in between 44% to 47% (overall voter turnout). And then we all know how much voting corruption take place during election.

Also, not gonna buy that which could be your option only. There are many here on this forum, I strongly dont believe many of them do. I have tons of relatives, cousins and my own brother in Pakistan, so I know for the fact that its not true at all (only a group might support them but again, you cant generalize the whole nation).

check this forum, a pro-establishment thinking forum has roughly 20-30% posters who support corrupt practices..imagine the situation in the general public

 

[ziaulislam]

I live here i want this Country to progress and not waste another decade I dont want to be a part of this collective suicide People of Pakistan are so fond of. Maryam/Bilawala are 2 Nightmares i pray every day that God Forbid they shall never happen.

well, then people need to mobilize socially and stop saying "i am not political"
as IK put it bluntly, only animals are not political

also what's up with this hopelessness with IK govt, he has on average done better than what i would have predicted, worse than what he promised of course

if people understand that there are no short cuts to development and as whole support fair policies rather than popular policies than of course people have hope..

but if every wants short term relief packages than what would happen will be no different than PML N PPPP

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

In central Punjab it all caste based politics. In my native village its always Chaudaries Vs Rajay so not much space for anyone else to operate. I have worked in south punjab and saraiki belt most poor people are so oppressed by wadairas and peers that they hardly get a say in the matter. I was working in Pakistan in few years back for an NGO and i happened to come across a certain individual who was basically shadow king. That person had MNAs and MPAs coming to him every single bloody day. There was also a certain federal minister but i shall not name him and keep pardah of the rotten pieces of garbage. I have seen a few MPAs who came to see him while we were sitting on chair he made them sit on floor. His house was a castle with covering 12 Kanals and walls were almost 10-15 meters thick with enough space on top for guards to patrol easily. His house had an underground basement with every single type of weapon imaginable. He even had a certain items which i dont want to mention for my own safety.
The reason i told you this is to give you perspective that these MNAs and MPAs are nothing but maggots and small time gangstas compared to real people with power at the back. We might think we live in a democracy but in reality its a fcuking sham.

Then PTI needs to cut the diamond by the diamond...Doing nothing and leaving state to gangsters is also not a choice

 

[ziaulislam]

Then PTI needs to cut the diamond by the diamond...Doing nothing and leaving state to gangsters is also not a choice

simplest solution is EDUCATION
why havent we achieved 100% enrollement yet

the other thing is will the hardcore fans that let PTI won betray him after just 4-5 years or will they be with him in long run..this would be the key