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Dr Aafia — when will we stop playing to the gallery?

Let us clear some confusions.
Marvi is not a liberal in any sense... as you quoted her in beginning.
Perhaps you have different understanding of very thing ranging from liberals and takfiris.
While Marvi refused to join the walk out she gave her point of view very fairly in her message.
So speculation shall stop.

Afia may not have attacked the US soldiers and she might have been victimized and may have denied justice but she did had baggage attached with her and in no sense was a matter of greater importance than rest of other dying in the country.

It is same stupid logic as those who die in political rally are shaheed and who dies in target killing and terrorist attacks of TTP are just a head count.

All your discussion are point less rants going in different directions showing your venom and objective.

I don't trust you have any members of family in Army and you and your fake skirmish with T-Faz! i repeat what you said..... two sides of same coin.

I am quoting what you have written. Just because we are discussing a certain topic about injustice, it does nt automatically mean that people dont discuss or dont want to discuss other atrocities that are happening. I dont know how you come to this conclusion. Feel free to open a topic about terrorism in Pakistan and I shall be more than glad to put my input there...

Your logic is as twisted as that of Bhai Niaz earlier... i.e Either you are a liberal or a Takfeeri...

One almost thinks he is talking to 12 year olds... Duh
 
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Very unwarranted!!!!
Acting like one of my many admirers...., venom queen.
I see where you are trying to take it.... so lets just for get it... for now.

I like to apologizes to your friends at higher ups for the sheer disappointment, i may have caused for not taking the bait.

No one is baiting you here. Try to discuss things without accusing others of being venomous...

Its easy to insult someone on a forum... Those who do such things are termed E Tuff Guys...

I should as a gesture of friendship give you credit... At least you do admit that Aafia Siddiqui was unjustly dealt with... Thats a good thing... It would seem that a lot of our friends here have been missing this key point...
 
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The following article was published in today’s The News. This shows the moral dilemma that people like me face and why I am cynical about all the noise raised in the media about Dr Afia but not about scores of other Pakistani women. However bigotry is fashion these days and people who dare question the biased popular opinions are labeled US agents. I leave Hon members to decide for themselves as to why Pakistan polity has been polarized.

Women, violence and the law



S Iftikhar Murshed
The woman's head was covered with a sack, her hands were tied and she was tethered to the ground – while a group of turbaned, bearded men hurled rocks at her, breaking her bones and then crushing her skull. According to reports in the press, she had been walking unescorted and was presumed guilty of adultery. The barbarity, allegedly perpetrated by the Taliban in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA), was shown on Dubai's Al Aan television. The same footage was televised by a private Pakistani channel on Sept 28 and the story also featured that day in the local print media.
There was no reaction from civil society, no politician demanded that the government bring the criminals to justice, no resolution was passed by parliament expressing concern over the outrage, no statement emanated from the president or the prime minister condemning the incident, and the atrocity faded from public memory because the woman was a nonentity and did not matter.
The adage "justice delayed is justice denied" is not necessarily true. In the case of the unknown woman in Fata, as in other instances, the skewed Taliban concept of Islamic justice was as swift as it was brutal. The stringent Quranic evidentiary requirements for proving adultery were set aside and the accused was condemned for a crime she had never committed.
Around the time that the video footage of the stoning incident in Fata was aired on television, the MIT-educated Pakistani cognitive neuroscientist Dr Aafia Siddiqui was sentenced to 86 years in prison by a US federal judge. On Feb 3, she had been convicted on various charges, including attempted murder, armed assault, and using a firearm against US nationals. After the verdict, she exclaimed: "This is coming from Israel, not from America. That's where the anger belongs."
There was stern public and government reaction. Demonstrators took to the streets, chanted anti-US slogans and burnt the American flag. Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani described Dr Aafia Siddiqui as a "daughter of the nation," but did not think it worthwhile to make a similar pronouncement about the woman who was so cruelly put to death in the tribal areas. Equally forgotten were some 7,000 women languishing in prison, 88 percent of whom, according to the National Commission for the Status of Women, have been incarcerated on charges of unproven adultery.
The nationwide display of support for Dr Aafia Siddiqui was admirable, but the law, as Aristotle believed, "is reason free from passion." This was what a few members of the National Assembly implied when they stated that the response to the sentencing should be balanced and confined to the legal aspects of the case. Some of the opinion columns also alluded to Dr Siddiqui's second marriage in February 2003 to the accused Al-Qaeda member Ammar al-Baluchi in Karachi. The latter is a nephew of Khalid Sheikh Muhammad, the principal architect of the 9/11 attacks, and a cousin of Ramzi Yousef who was convicted for the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Centre. Al-Baluchi was arrested on April 29, 2003, and could face the death penalty as he awaits trial in the US for complicity in the 9/11 incidents. However, these details are extraneous to the Aafia Siddiqui case because she was neither accused of nor convicted for terrorism.
Again there was justified countrywide outcry when on April 2, 2009, the television channels aired video footage of a 17-year old girl, Chand Bibi, being publicly flogged in Swat by the Taliban because she had been spotted outside her home accompanied by a naamehram (stranger) and was therefore presumed guilty of indecency. Whatever little sympathy there may have been for the Taliban disappeared in one sweep. The Supreme Court took suo moto notice and asked for the girl to be produced before the court. However, for fear of reprisal by the Taliban, her family denied that the incident had ever occurred.
This was evident from the change in the Tehreek-e-Taliban stance. Initially, their former spokesman in Swat, Muslim Khan, justified the harsh punishment on the ground that had the case been heard by a qazi (judge), Chand Bibi would have been stoned to death. Without even batting an eyelid he subsequently claimed that no such incident had taken place and the video had been doctored by NGOs as part of a conspiracy against the Taliban.
The former information minister, Sherry Rehman, stated that "ignoring such acts of violence amounts to sanctioning impunity. The fire in the Swat Valley and our northern regions can engulf other parts of the country, if we do not put it out." So strong was public opinion against the Taliban that military operations against them were launched in Swat some months later, followed by a similar onslaught in South Waziristan.
Chance played a role in raising Mukhtaran Mai from her ordeal to dazzling celebrity status and international prominence. Brought up in poverty and illiteracy she braved the odds in a society where women's bodies are a battleground for male honour. Her journey to fame began in 2002 when her brother was seen walking with a woman from a rival clan. He was sentenced by a panchayat (tribal council) and the punishment ordered was that his sister be raped. Mukhtaran Mai was accordingly assaulted by four men and paraded naked through the village.
The government of the time, led by Gen Pervez Musharraf, remained a passive bystander till the tragedy captured international media attention. Even then, on June 10, 2005, as she was about to travel to London on invitation from Amnesty International, she was not allowed to leave the country as she had been placed on the Exit Control List.
Musharraf, who was on a visit to Australia and New Zealand, admitted to the international media that the travel restrictions had been imposed on her because he "did not want to project a bad image of Pakistan." This belied an earlier government claim that she did not want to go abroad because of the illness of her mother. Subsequently Musharraf, who claimed that the motivating impulse of his government was "enlightened moderation," unabashedly stated that the easiest way for a Pakistani woman to obtain a visa was to get raped. Perhaps that was the image of the country he wanted to project.
Jurists say that the law is the repository of the morals of the people. However, it cannot, by itself, generate justice, which has to be imported in its application. If the common good of all is the purpose of justice, then it must be free from political bias and anchored in the bedrock of truth. This applies as much to the trial and sentencing of Dr Aafia Siddiqui as it does to the stoning to death of the woman in Fata and the thousands of other "daughters of the nation." There cannot, and must not, be any selectivity in the public reaction to these outrages.

The writer is the publisher of Criterion quarterly. Email: iftimurshed ***********

Women, violence and the law
 
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Infact... why stop at public reaction... We should account the rulers under whom such actions take place...

Few years ago I personally took up the case to the Muslim community in which some relative of a PNA member had killed some women because they had married of their own choice... At that time some stood up and started accusing me of being anti Pakistan and trying to instigate trouble...

The problem is that no matter what good one tries to do these days, people just want to oppose them for the sheer fun of it... This culture of leg pulling should go away... We have remained in denial for a long long time now... It is time that we seriously start thinking about pulling our socks and getting our acts right...
 
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Can we forget about this American doctor implicted in crimes by her own country of citizenship?? Parosi ka dard mere peet me?
 
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Can we forget about this American doctor implicted in crimes by her own country of citizenship?? Parosi ka dard mere peet me?

Her Mother said she is not american she is Pakistani.
 
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Beghairtoun ki kami nahin ghalib, Aik dhoundo hazar milltey hai.

Pls excuse my urdu.
 
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and you think you are someone of importance? and just why should anyone take you seriously here?

and just how can you tell that I dont have any family members in Pakistan army? LOL You should change your name from Batman to Jokester...

Oh btw... I dont like the way you are talking here... So unless I specifically address you... Take a Hike

Tapeesh? :D

Sir
You are arrogant and abusive. Your posts lack content and show a distinct lack of respect for a member who is senior to you. I have taken the liberty of reporting your post, and a mod will soon be on your tail. I hope you will take some friendly advice and tone down the rhetoric and listen to and be tolerant of other peoples view point. Please do listen to me before you get shown the door PERMANENTLY!!
kind regards
Araz
 
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Mr Araz. Just because he is senior to me, he has the right to call me venomous? Call all my posts as rants? and then consider me a liar without any proof?

My dear Mr araz... Did you report him too? Or is it an attempt to scare me with a ban for no other reason than my disagreement with another member?

Care to discuss??

Anyway... If I offended anyone and came across as rude... I apologize... I m nothing but a brother to you all... Its in my pukhtoon nature to roar and thunder... lol
 
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