Don't mix terrorism and refugees, says EU official

[Blue Marlin]

''Enlargement Commissioner Johannes Hahn warns against confusing counter-terrorism, migration policies

BRUSSELS

Europe should not mix terrorism with the refugee crisis facing the continent, EU Enlargement Commissioner Johannes Hahn said Monday.

“It’s important to stress, we should not mix up this terrorist attack with our current migration and refugee problem - these are two different issues,” he told reporters in Brussels ahead of a meeting of EU foreign ministers.

Hahn said Europe should be “firm and bold” when facing the terror threat to “our European way of living.”

Friday’s Paris attacks left 129 dead after teams of gunmen targeted nightspots, a sports stadium and a concert hall.

The attacks have raised worries about a backlash against refugees, particularly after authorities indicated one of the attackers may have been a Syrian who crossed into Europe last month among waves of refugees fleeing civil war.

EU President Jean-Claude Juncker also called for unity. “Those who organized these attacks and those who carried them out are exactly those who the refugees are fleeing,” he said during a news conference at the G20 summit in Antalya, Turkey, on Sunday.

“There is no need for an overall review of the European policy on refugees.”

German Justice Minister Heiko Maas also warned against stigmatizing refugees and said Daesh deliberately sought to exploit the refugee crisis facing Europe.

“Refugees are the victims and not the perpetrators,” he told TV channel ARD on Monday. “No one should exploit these barbaric crimes now in order to incite here antipathy towards asylum seekers. Our answer to terror should be offering protection to the victims of terror.”

Referring to the Syrian passport found at one of the attack sites, he said Daesh were “deliberately laying false trails, in order to politicize and radicalize the refugee debate in Europe.”

On Saturday, anti-immigration group PEGIDA claimed in a Facebook post: “Those who are coming here are bringing terror to our country.”

On Sunday, the Christian Social Union, the junior partner in the German federal government, called for an end to Germany’s open-door refugee policy following the Paris attacks.

Bavarian Finance Minister Markus Soder told the Welt am Sonntag newspaper: “France has shown us. On questions of security, we cannot make a single compromise anymore.”.'' Anadolu Agency

Finally..... someone with a brain talks.
They are displaced people who just want to start a new life. Those who masquerade as refugee's and commit atrocities such as the events in paris are two evils. Taking innocent lives and ruining the lives of those who want to restart their own.

 

[flamer84]

You have already formed your opinion and are set in it. I'm not wasting time beating a dead horse.
Importantly, I'm still not seeing answers to questions such as

• How exactly is immigration policy responsible for ' Paris'?
• Whose policy?
• Which specific policy elements?

1.One terrorist sneaked into Europe posing as a refugee taking advantage of the open borders.One can easily assume that where was one from 1 million,there can be 1000
2.Merkel's,Juncker's,Hollande's and all the idiots who let all the ME rabble walk right through in Europe as if state borders don't mean anything anymore.If those idiots wouldn't apply presure riot police would have routed the illegals immediately in Macedonia,Hungary,etc
3. See nr 2 and the open doors idiotic policy.State borders mean something.They are there to keep illegals out....well,apparently not in 2015's Europe run by socialists,leftists,idiotical suicidal clowns.

Sweden isn't the nr 2 rape per capita country in the world just because it's cold or that native Swedes are horny by nature you know.....

 

[Husnainshah]

Finally..... someone with a brain talks.
They are displaced people who just want to start a new life. Those who masquerade as refugee's and commit atrocities such as the events in paris are two evils. Taking innocent lives and ruining the lives of those who want to restart their own.

Granted majority of them are indeed displaced people who may have nothing to do with extremism let alone terrorism. But you see the problem is even if 0.5% are extremists or if 0.01% are terrorists disguised as refugees; you've some trouble waiting for ya. The immigration policy might be Europe's worst nightmare. No amount of background checks is gonna help.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Well,he didn't arrive on plane but as a refugee,didn't he now ?

thats rich coming from someone who country people are coming in the thousands here to the uk.
now i find police arresting your people for breaking into people houses. getting their kids to steal food from shops just so they can feed them self. and when we offer help they turn it down. theres a main street where thers a lot of shops now its turning into a red-light district slowly but surely. a see 7 year old girls dress in ways i have never seen before. social services wont do anything because they will be accuced of being called racist. its not all of them but i can say its most of them, but the other few are hard core grafters which i like.

next time you bad mouth people you don't know, look at your own before you speak.

Granted majority of them are indeed displaced people who may have nothing to do with extremism let alone terrorism. But you see the problem is even if 0.5% are extremists or if 0.01% are terrorists disguised as refugees; you've some trouble waiting for ya. The immigration policy might be Europe's worst nightmare. No amount of background checks is gonna help.

as i said before they masqueraded as refugees to commit terror attacks and everyone is going to suffer the consequences.

 

[flamer84]

thats rich coming from someone who country people are coming in the thousands here to the uk.
now i find police arresting your people for breaking into people houses. getting their kids to steal food from shops just so they can feed them self. and when we offer help they turn it down. theres a main street where thers a lot of shops now its turning into a red-light district slowly but surely. a see 7 year old girls dress in ways i have never seen before. social services wont do anything because they will be accuced of being called racist. its not all of them but i can say its most of them, but the other few are hard core grafters which i like.

next time you bad mouth people you don't know, look at your own before you speak.

This is the last time i'm saying it. They come LEGALLY.Not to mention you're talking about gypsies,and they're just another reminder of non Europeans failing to adapt even after centuries of living here-at best,they're a bitter reminder of why rabble shouldn't be allowed in Europe.Not to mention that they don't blow up.Not to mention that they don't try to impose their culture on others.

And yeah,they do that sort of stuff in here to,that's how they are,a medieval race who didn't adapt ,not even after 5 centuries of being here.No reason to make the same mistake again and receive another batch of medieval non Euros.

 

[Steve781]

To late ...

I like this one.
Syrian refugees should be trained into an army to fight Isis, Poland's foreign minister says | UK Politics | News | The Independent

 

[Blue Marlin]

This is the last time i'm saying it. They come LEGALLY.Not to mention you're talking about gypsies,and they're just another reminder of non Europens failing to adapt even after centuries of living here.Not to mention that they don't blow up.Not to mention that they don't try to impose their culture on others.

they come legally...... insane, and no there not gypsies, the gypsies are worse... much worse, they remind me of Brazilian gangsters. before we shut their camp down two Romanian gypsies youths put a 70 year old man in a coma, only to steal £20.00. refugee do not "blow up" terrorists do,

 

[flamer84]

they come legally...... insane, and no there not gypsies, there worse... much worse, they remind me of Brazilian gangsters. before we shut their camp down two Romanian gypsies youths put a 70 year old man in a coma, only to steal £20.00. refugee do not "blow up" terrorists do,

I like you ..."they're not gypsies" only to say it yourself that they're gypsies 5 words later.They may have Romanian citizenship but they're as Romanian as the Kouachi terrorists in France were French.They're just non Euro rabble hiding under citizenship.

A bitter reminder why such garbage shouldn't be allowed in.They don't integrate.

 

[Blue Marlin]

I like you ..."they're not gypsies" only to say it yourself that they're gypsies 5 words later.They may have Romanian citizenship but they're as Romanian as the Kouachi terrorists in France were French.They're just non Euro rabble hiding under citizenship.

i amended the previous post. i would rather have refugees here than Romanian's (no offence but i know you will)
i actually met a refugee, dont know of which decent. there was a old lady with heavy bags going up the street, he (the refugee) was close behind going up in the same direction as i was on the opposite side of road doing downwards. he approached her and offered to take the bags up the street for her and she agreed. i would have assume he was only her in the uk for no more than about a few months. where as well established eastern europeans have never done that, or at least i have never seen them do that. want to know why they dont do that? there to busy carrying up booze up the street which they got on sale at aldi. note that i said eastern europeans not Romanians, we have polish, Lithuanians and among others. i hear Romanians more often than others as they end up in the papers more.

 

[Steve781]

Let's say 99.9 percent of Syrians are peaceful and law abiding. Cameron plans to let in 20 thousand. 0.1 percent of that means twenty potential terrorists. It only took seven in Paris.

 

[flamer84]

i amended the previous post. i would rather have refugees here than Romanian's (no offence but i know you will)
i actually met a refugee, dont know of which decent. there was a old lady with heavy bags going up the street, he (the refugee) was close behind going up in the same direction as i was on the opposite side of road doing downwards. he approached her and offered to take the bags up the street for her and she agreed. i would have assume he was only her in the uk for no more than about a few months. where as well established eastern europeans have never done that, or at least i have never seen them do that. want to know why they dont do that? there to busy carrying up booze up the street which they got on sale at aldi. note that i said eastern europeans not Romanians, we have polish, Lithuanians and among others. i hear Romanians more often than others as they end up in the papers more.

Well,that's a nice story.Let me tell you a few other nice stories.

1.A "refugee" took an AK in hands in Paris 4 days ago and started shooting innocents.
2.Other "refugees" threw away food because it had the Red Cross on the aid packages and started shouting the "Allah Ackbar " tune
3.Some "refugees" rape white women for sport.Don't worry,apparently it's ok because it's "haram"

Now,i know,all these things mentioned by me seem trivial as long as Eastern Europeans don't carry bags for old ladies.I guess that Syria was carrying bags central heaven,LOL.

Last but not least ,maybe Eastern Europeans don't do that because,unlike "refugees" or other welfare queens or 2nd generation ME/South east Asian immigrants,like to get a beer/vodca after they actually WORK,which they ACTUALLY do in comparison with your beloved "refugees"

 

[Declein]

i amended the previous post. i would rather have refugees here than Romanian's (no offence but i know you will)
i actually met a refugee, dont know of which decent. there was a old lady with heavy bags going up the street, he (the refugee) was close behind going up in the same direction as i was on the opposite side of road doing downwards. he approached her and offered to take the bags up the street for her and she agreed. i would have assume he was only her in the uk for no more than about a few months. where as well established eastern europeans have never done that, or at least i have never seen them do that. want to know why they dont do that? there to busy carrying up booze up the street which they got on sale at aldi. note that i said eastern europeans not Romanians, we have polish, Lithuanians and among others. i hear Romanians more often than others as they end up in the papers more.

Besides the point. Romanians are there legally and had to jump to a loot of hoops to enter the EU.

On a personal note:
- if I move to the UK you wouldn't distinguish me from your average Brit unless I told you my name
- I work with Indians and my experiences where...mixed. I won't judge an entire nation by some bad examples that I saw.I'll leave that to you.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Well,that's a nice story.Let me tell you a few other nice stories.

1.A "refugee" took an AK in hands in Paris 4 days ago Paris and start shooting innocents.
2.Other "refugees" threw away food because it had the Red Cross on the aid packages and started shouting the "Allah Ackbar " tune
3.Some "refugees" rape white women for sport.Don't worry,apparently it's ok because it's "haram"

Now,i know,all these things mentioned by me seem trivial as long as Eastern Europeans don't carry bags for old ladies.I guess that Syria was carrying bags central heaven,LOL.

first post i already told you... masqueraders.

second post in regards to the red cross. i have no idea, may be it contained non halal meat or something. also allah akbar means god is great.

third post is true but its like saying one guy did something bad so there all bad and evil. i can say i hate all eastern europeans because there dress like sex workers and steal, and harm and kill. but its only a few who do that.
the only good thing Romania is good for is fast internet and thats it.

 

[Penguin]

1.One terrorist sneaked into Europe posing as a refugee taking advantage of the open borders.One can easily assume that where was one from 1 million,there can be 1000
2.Merkel's,Juncker's,Hollande's and all the idiots who let all the ME rabble walk right through in Europe as if state borders don't mean anything anymore.If those idiots wouldn't apply presure riot police would have routed the illegals immediately in Macedonia,Hungary,etc
3. See nr 2 and the open doors idiotic policy.State borders mean something.They are there to keep illegals out....well,apparently not in 2015's Europe run by socialists,leftists,idiotical suicidal clowns.

Sweden isn't the nr 2 rape per capita country in the world just because it's cold or that native Swedes are horny by nature you know.....

Ever since the collation of crime statistics was initiated by the Council of Europe, Sweden has had the highest number of registered rape offences in Europe by a considerable extent. In 1996, Sweden registered almost three times the average number of rape offences registered in 35 European countries. However, this does not necessarily mean rape is three times as likely to occur as in the rest of Europe, since cross-national comparisons of crime levels based on official crime statistics are problematic, due to a number of factors described below.

There are three types of factors that determine the outcome of crime statistics: statistical factors, legal factors, and substantive factors. The combined effect of these "make it safe to contend that the Swedish rape statistics constitute an 'over-reporting' relative to the European average", according to a study by Hanns von Hofer, Professor of Criminology at Stockholm University, published by The European Journal on Criminal Policy and Research

Rape in Sweden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 2011, with the total population being 9,562,556; roughly 15% of the population was born abroad, 5% of the population was born in Sweden to two parents born abroad, and another 7% was born in Sweden to one parent born abroad. Resulting in 27% of the Swedish population being of at least partly foreign descent

Immigrants are over-represented in Sweden's crime statistics. In a study by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention in 1997–2001, 25% of the almost 1,520,000 offences were found to be committed by people born abroad and almost 20% were committed by Swedish born people of foreign background. In the study, immigrants were found to be four times more likely to be investigated for lethal violence and robbery than ethnic Swedes. In addition, immigrants were three times more likely to be investigated for violent assault, and five times more likely to be investigated for sex crimes. Those from North Africa and Western Asia were overrepresented
Immigration to Sweden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Immigration and crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

MEANWHILE IN ITALY, for example

According to the latest data from Interior Ministry, in 2007 35% of crimes in Italy were committed by immigrants (immigrants make up 8.2% of the Italian population).
Romanians, Moroccans and Albanians commit the most crimes, the three ethnicity are also the major minorities in Italy. Regarding murders, Romanians are in first place (15.4% of the total number of foreigners reported for this offense), followed by Albanians (11.9%) and Moroccans (9.1%).
For sexual violence, Romanians are in the lead (representing 16.2% of the total number of foreigners reported for this offense), followed by Moroccans (15.9%) and Croats (13.9%),perpetrators of rape are of Italian nationality in 60.9 percent of cases. For home robberies, still in command Romanians (19.8%), followed by Albanians (13.8%) and Moroccans (8.7%).For muggings Moroccans are in first place (20.6%), followed by Romanians (19.3%) and Albanians (6%). As for car theft, Romanians return to the top (29.8%), followed by Moroccans (13.2%) and Albanians (8.8%). For extortion, finally, still Romanians (15%), followed by Albanians (11.2%) and Moroccans (10.7%).
Illegal immigrants are the 80% of immigrants involved in criminal activities, and their share of total foreign residents is well below 20%. In short, the probability of committing crimes for illegal aliens is 16 times that of regulars (regulars instead show crime rates similar to the rest of the Italian population).
Crime rate of legal immigrants is "slightly higher" than Italians (between 1.23% and 1.4%, vs. 0.75%) and even less between people over 40 years old,comparable data considering that immigrants have a lower average age.
Immigration and crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[flamer84]

Rape in Sweden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 2011, with the total population being 9,562,556; roughly 15% of the population was born abroad, 5% of the population was born in Sweden to two parents born abroad, and another 7% was born in Sweden to one parent born abroad. Resulting in 27% of the Swedish population being of at least partly foreign descent

Immigrants are over-represented in Sweden's crime statistics. In a study by the Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention in 1997–2001, 25% of the almost 1,520,000 offences were found to be committed by people born abroad and almost 20% were committed by Swedish born people of foreign background. In the study, immigrants were found to be four times more likely to be investigated for lethal violence and robbery than ethnic Swedes. In addition, immigrants were three times more likely to be investigated for violent assault, and five times more likely to be investigated for sex crimes. Those from North Africa and Western Asia were overrepresented
Immigration to Sweden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Immigration and crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

MEANWHILE IN ITALY, for example

According to the latest data from Interior Ministry, in 2007 35% of crimes in Italy were committed by immigrants (immigrants make up 8.2% of the Italian population).
Romanians, Moroccans and Albanians commit the most crimes, the three ethnicity are also the major minorities in Italy. Regarding murders, Romanians are in first place (15.4% of the total number of foreigners reported for this offense), followed by Albanians (11.9%) and Moroccans (9.1%).
For sexual violence, Romanians are in the lead (representing 16.2% of the total number of foreigners reported for this offense), followed by Moroccans (15.9%) and Croats (13.9%),perpetrators of rape are of Italian nationality in 60.9 percent of cases. For home robberies, still in command Romanians (19.8%), followed by Albanians (13.8%) and Moroccans (8.7%).For muggings Moroccans are in first place (20.6%), followed by Romanians (19.3%) and Albanians (6%). As for car theft, Romanians return to the top (29.8%), followed by Moroccans (13.2%) and Albanians (8.8%). For extortion, finally, still Romanians (15%), followed by Albanians (11.2%) and Moroccans (10.7%).
Illegal immigrants are the 80% of immigrants involved in criminal activities, and their share of total foreign residents is well below 20%. In short, the probability of committing crimes for illegal aliens is 16 times that of regulars (regulars instead show crime rates similar to the rest of the Italian population).
Crime rate of legal immigrants is "slightly higher" than Italians (between 1.23% and 1.4%, vs. 0.75%) and even less between people over 40 years old,comparable data considering that immigrants have a lower average age.
Immigration and crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So,you would agree with me in the end.Muslim immigrants are on a rape festivity in Sweden.

Now,as for Italy,Romanians were obviously there LEGALLY while Morrocans and Albanians can't afford that.It is only natural that Romanian criminals (gypsies being overrepresented ofcourse) would migrate to greener pastures.Still ,Albanians,Morrocans are up there in the charts ,altough they can't travel freely to Italy.See where i'm aiming ? What would happen if gates were opened for Morrocans,Albanians ? Logic tells us that they would represent 90% of crime stats.

Btw,crime stats have lowered in Romania after the 2007 EU accession.Guess why? Crminals migrated.