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Besides the point. Romanians are there legally and had to jump to a loot of hoops to enter the EU.

On a personal note:
- if I move to the UK you wouldn't distinguish me from your average Brit unless I told you my name
- I work with Indians and my experiences where...mixed. I won't judge an entire nation by some bad examples that I saw.I'll leave that to you.
your romainain buddy @flamer84 is clearly one sided and im just giving him my negative impression of Romanians.
if you read my posts here i do on multiple occasion mention not all of them are bad.

in regards to looks or physical appearance, you can tell, after many years encountering them i can pick them out for you.

i hate it when someone speaks negatively of a large group of people who have no say.
back to eastern europeans. about a year and half ago the local residents threatened landlords not to lease houses to easter europeans as they bring a negative influence to the community. it has calmed down after the council intervened and now there charged more(by private landlords) and have to put a large deposit before they move in as they are know to strip houses of copper when they move out.

a mate of mine does employ some easter europeans for spot contract building jobs. there nice people.


what i want you to take from this is what you said : I won't judge an entire nation by some bad examples that I saw.

 
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Illegal immigrants are the 80% of immigrants involved in criminal activities, and their share of total foreign residents is well below 20%. In short, the probability of committing crimes for illegal aliens is 16 times that of regulars (regulars instead show crime rates similar to the rest of the Italian population).

Immigration and crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This sums it up."illegal immigrants"....Romanian are legal immigrants....for all your huff and puff you've just prooved that non EU immigrants are by large....criminals:yahoo:

And since Romanians are "regulars"....they're in the "Italian margin" as per statistics....ok,bye.

as they are know to strip houses of copper when they move out.

Oh please :lol:...everybody who's lived behind the Iron Curtain or with google on his hands knows who sells copper on a wagon.....you have 2 guesses: it's either a lepricon or a gypsie.:rofl:
 
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Oh please :lol:...everybody who's lived behind the Iron Curtain or with google on his hands knows who sells copper on a wagon.....you have 2 guesses: it's either a lepricon or a gypsie.:rofl:
dont know why your laughing their your people not mine. at least we know that your people are the uncivilised ones. im under the impression that you think all Romanians are gypsies. there are gypsies but the non gypsies behave in a similar manner but not as bad.
 
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So,you would agree with me in the end.Muslim immigrants are on a rape festivity in Sweden.
No, I don't, because that is not what the statistics say since they address country of origin, not religion. It also shows Swedish statistics to be inflated for a number of specific reasons.

Now,as for Italy,Romanians were obviously there LEGALLY while Morrocans and Albanians can't afford that.It is only natural that Romanian criminals (gypsies being overrepresented ofcourse) would migrate to greener pastures.Still ,Albanians,Morrocans are up there in the charts ,altough they can't travel freely to Italy.See where i'm aiming ? What would happen if gates were opened for Morrocans,Albanians ? Logic tells us that they would represent 90% of crime stats.
So, crime is ok so long as the immigrant is legal? That's warped. Funny how all Romanians abroad must be gysies, while Albanians are ... Albanians. And since 58.79% of Albania adheres to Islam .... etc. (or so you suggest)

86.5% of Romanians below to the Romanian Orthodox Church.
But I'm Going Off Topic.
 
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dont know why your laughing their your people not mine. at least we know that your people are the uncivilised ones. im under the impression that you think all Romanians are gypsies. there are gypsies but the non gypsies behave in a similar manner but not as bad.


They're my people just like those commiting terror acts in France are French -only in name and citizenship but not by ethnicity or cultural behaviour.This is where multiculturalism has brought us,forcing us to accept a foreign elemnt that doesn't integrate and than calling that element "our people".Heck now,they are not ! they're just some nomads who wandered around here and didn't adapt.They're not part of our history,our culture or our ethnicity.

No, I don't, because that is not what the statistics say since they address country of origin, not religion. It also shows Swedish statistics to be inflated for a number of specific reasons.


So, crime is ok so long as the immigrant is legal? That's warped. Funny how all Romanians abroad must be gysies, while Albanians are ... Albanians. And since 58.79% of Albania adheres to Islam .... etc. (or so you suggest)

86.5% of Romanians below to the Romanian Orthodox Church.
But I'm Going Off Topic.


You seem not to understand your own link which clearly states that REGULAR immigrants .of wich Romanians are a part,have the same crime stats as Italians while ILLEGAL ones,of which Morrocans/Albanians a part,are overrepresented.

And YES,gypsies are hugely represented in Romanian crime,at home and abroad.Whenever i see pictures from UK,Sweden of "Romanian beggars","Romanians setting camps in parks","Romanian squatters",i ALWAYS see gypsies with their litter of 5-7 kids.What's wrong in calling a spade a spade ?!? Is this world so far gone,so politically corect that we can't call the truth when is there behind our very eyes ???
 
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You seem not to understand your own link which clearly states that REGULAR immigrants .of wich Romanians are a part,have the same crime stats as Italians while ILLEGAL ones,of which Morrocans/Albanians a part,are overrepresented.

And YES,gypsies are hugely represented in Romanian crime,at home and abroad.Whenever i see pictures from UK,Sweden of "Romanian beggars","Romanians setting camps in parks","Romanian squatters",i ALWAYS see gypsies with their litter of 5-7 kids.What's wrong in calling a spade a spade ?!? Is this world so far gone,so politically corect that we can't call the truth when is there behind our very eyes ???

Oh really?

Italy[edit]
According to the latest data from Interior Ministry, in 2007 35% of crimes in Italy were committed by immigrants (immigrants make up 8.2% of the Italian population).[no distinction here between legal or illegal]

Romanians, Moroccans and Albanians commit the most crimes, the three ethnicity are also the major minorities in Italy. Regarding murders, Romanians are in first place (15.4% of the total number of foreigners reported for this offense), followed by Albanians (11.9%) and Moroccans (9.1%). [ no distinction here between legal or illegal]

For sexual violence, Romanians are in the lead (representing 16.2% of the total number of foreigners reported for this offense), followed by Moroccans (15.9%) and Croats (13.9%),perpetrators of rape are of Italian nationality in 60.9 percent of cases. For home robberies, still in command Romanians (19.8%), followed by Albanians (13.8%) and Moroccans (8.7%).For muggings Moroccans are in first place (20.6%), followed by Romanians (19.3%) and Albanians (6%). As for car theft, Romanians return to the top (29.8%), followed by Moroccans (13.2%) and Albanians (8.8%). For extortion, finally, still Romanians (15%), followed by Albanians (11.2%) and Moroccans (10.7%).[no distinction here between legal or illegal, Italians arent in this equation]

Illegal immigrants are the 80% of immigrants involved in criminal activities, and their share of total foreign residents is well below 20%. In short, the probability of committing crimes for illegal aliens is 16 times that of regulars (regulars instead show crime rates similar to the rest of the Italian population).

Crime rate of legal immigrants is "slightly higher" than Italians (between 1.23% and 1.4%, vs. 0.75%) and even less between people over 40 years old,comparable data considering that immigrants have a lower average age.

You argument is since Romania is EU area, all Romanian (im)migrants are legal (im)migrants and all the others illegal.
Therefor Romanians are only slightly more criminal.

Of course:
  • not every moroccan or albanian in Italy is necessarily an illegal immegrant in Italy or EU just because they are from countries outside the EU. (applies vice versa too)
  • this does not touch the other findings that - WHEN FOREIGNERS ARE REPORTED FOR A SPECIFIC OFFENCE- Romanians commit most crimesin a great many of crime categories

Romanis-historical-distribution.png



Gypsies take the nationality of where they were born and get passports like the rest of us.

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Oh really?

Yes,really.

You argument is since Romania is EU area, all Romanian (im)migrants are legal (im)migrants and all the others illegal.
Therefor Romanians are only slightly more criminal.

Of course:
  • not every moroccan or albanian in Italy is necessarily an illegal immegrant in Italy or EU just because they are from countries outside the EU. (applies vice versa too)
  • this does not touch the other findings that - WHEN FOREIGNERS ARE REPORTED FOR A SPECIFIC OFFENCE- Romanians commit most crimesin a great many of crime categories

If you would check immigration stats you would see Romanians being 1,1 million in Italy , double of Albanians and Morrocans(and those are just the registered ones,there are also many illegals,while Romanians are all of them there legally).That makes the crime per capita of Romanians way less than the other 2 groups.Also10% of these Romanians are gypsies(who take a large chunk in crime stats).I don't care if they have Romanian citizenship,for me they are a group that never adapted,a bitter reminder of letting in foreigners to our culture.

Immigration to Italy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I will again quote you

Illegal immigrants are the 80% of immigrants involved in criminal activities, and their share of total foreign residents is well below 20%. In short, the probability of committing crimes for illegal aliens is 16 times that of regulars (regulars instead show crime rates similar to the rest of the Italian population).
 
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Yes,really.
no, not really.

If you would check immigration stats you would see Romanians being 1,1 million in Italy , double of Albanians and Morrocans(and those are just the registered ones,there are also many illegals,while Romanians are all of them there legally).That makes the crime per capita of Romanians way less than the other 2 groups.Also10% of these Romanians are gypsies(who take a large chunk in crime stats).I don't care if they have Romanian citizenship,for me they are a group that never adapted,a bitter reminder of letting in foreigners to our culture.

Immigration to Italy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Because this does not in any way affect the distributrion of crimes involving foreigners.

So, basically you twist the statistics (e.g. your assertions re. gypsies, for which you for starters provide no data whatsoever)

I will again quote you
wew, I'm soooo afraid.

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no, not really.


Because this does not in any way affect the distributrion of crimes involving foreigners.

So, basically you twist the statistics (e.g. your assertions re. gypsies, for which you for starters provide no data whatsoever)


wew, I'm soooo afraid.

But I'm Going Off Topic


Are you serious ? Why are you going in circles with me ? Ofcourse it affects the distribution of crime if according to population of their ethincity they have a bigger number in crime stats per capita.This is obvious-your stats prove me right.

I can't have data for gypsies as long that due to political corectness thair ethnicity is named as "Romanian" altogether.It doesn't take a brainiac if you visit a Romanian jail (which i did many times since college) to figure out that a very large percentage of inmates are gypsies.That holds true for all those images of "Romanian beggers,squatters|" in Western press.One look and you can spot them.

This is what annoys me at you Westerners.Living there in your fairy tale world of fluffy clouds,lecturing us about gypsie discrimination ever since 1990,when we lived with them all of our lifes and know their "culture" and habits.When they did migrate to Western Europe after 2007 you start moaning about them,ofcourse calling them Romanians.Now,i say you stop moaning and try to integrate them,just like you lectured us for years.

Slovakia even wanted to sterilise them,which in my opinion was a jolly good ideea,but the usual Western butthurt and rants stopped that from happenning.You don't have solutions,you only have long speaches about human rights with no ideea about the problems on the ground.
 
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Are you serious ? Why are you going in circles with me ? Ofcourse it affects the distribution of crime if according to population of their ethincity they have a bigger number in crime stats per capita.This is obvious-your stats prove me right.

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"35% of crimes in Italy were committed by immigrants"
> you count all occurrances of crime registered in Italy, then see what part of that total is committed by what type of purpetrator (here: immigrants versus non-immigrants).
THIS IS NOT PER CAPITA.

"Romanians, Moroccans and Albanians commit the most crimes
> of all registered occurrances of crime, you look at the ethnicity of the perpetrator
> note that
  • no distinction is made between legal and illegal immigrants
  • Romanians are considered immigrants or else wouldn't be listed here.
  • it doesn't say if the focus is on all perpetrators or just (im)migrants
THIS IS NOT PER CAPITA

"The three ethnicity are also the major minorities in Italy."
> hence, if there is no under- or overrepresentation, they should also show up among all perpertrators in the same proportion to their presence among the (migrant) population of Italy
THIS NOT PER CAPITA

Regarding murders, Romanians are in first place (15.4% of the total number of foreigners reported for this offense), followed by Albanians (11.9%) and Moroccans (9.1%).
> This suggests a focus on crimes committed by foreigners (not that foreigner is not identical to immigrant. think e.g. tourists)

For sexual violence, Romanians are in the lead (representing 16.2% of the total number of foreigners reported for this offense), followed by Moroccans (15.9%) and Croats (13.9%), perpetrators of rape are of Italian nationality in 60.9 percent of cases.
> the data is all crimes of the type 'rape' > 60.9 percent of attackers Italian + 39.1 percent non-italian
which is a pretty similar proportion to immigrants v non-immigrants in Italy
> assumming rape=sexual violence and there not being many other forms of sexual violence besides rape, 16.2% Romanians is in relation to all non-italian perpetrators

By comparison, Italy's population in 2011 was 59,433,744 of which 3,879,224 foreign residents (6.5%) of which 823,100 Romanians (1,38%) and 407,097 Moroccans (0.68%) and 451,437 Albanians (0.76%). That is 21.2%, 10,5% and 11.6% respectively, relative to the foreign resident population. So, assuming briefly proportions in 2011 aren't significanly different from those in 2007, this says Romanians - while the numerically the largest group of non-Italian perpetrators of rape - are underrepresented in this category of crime and Moroccans and Albanians ar overrepresented.
NONE OF THIS IS PER CAPITA.

Now look at other type of crime:
-For home robberies, still in command Romanians (19.8%), followed by Albanians (13.8%) and Moroccans (8.7%).
-For muggings Moroccans are in first place (20.6%), followed by Romanians (19.3%) and Albanians (6%).
-As for car theft, Romanians return to the top (29.8%), followed by Moroccans (13.2%) and Albanians (8.8%).
-For extortion, finally, still Romanians (15%), followed by Albanians (11.2%) and Moroccans (10.7%).

I can't have data for gypsies as long that due to political corectness thair ethnicity is named as "Romanian" altogether.It doesn't take a brainiac if you visit a Romanian jail (which i did many times since college) to figure out that a very large percentage of inmates are gypsies.That holds true for all those images of "Romanian beggers,squatters|" in Western press.One look and you can spot them.
Then you have no objective measure of evidence in support of you claim. Realistically, if we assume for a moment that it is true that there is a very larger percentage of gypsies in Romanian jails, then that doesn't necessarily or automatically mean they are more criminal. For example, there may be some for of profiling or bias in the Romanian police/justice system. See by comparison the data on blacks in jail in the US (Whites have lower conviction rates and lower sentences for a given crime)

This is what annoys me at you Westerners.Living there in your fairy tale world of fluffy clouds,lecturing us about gypsie discrimination ever since 1990,when we lived with them all of our lifes and know their "culture" and habits.When they did migrate to Western Europe after 2007 you start moaning about them,ofcourse calling them Romanians.Now,i say you stop moaning and try to integrate them,just like you lectured us for years.
Slovakia even wanted to sterilise them,which in my opinion was a jolly good ideea,but the usual Western butthurt and rants stopped that from happenning.You don't have solutions,you only have long speaches about human rights with no ideea about the problems on the ground
Where exactly have I lectured on gypsie discrimination in the previous? Besides, we have gypsies, including Roma, in the Netherlands too and you don't hear me bitching about them. Sorry but that simply is a chip on your shoulder.

But I'm going of topic...
 
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"35% of crimes in Italy were committed by immigrants"
> you count all occurrances of crime registered in Italy, then see what part of that total is committed by what type of purpetrator (here: immigrants versus non-immigrants).
THIS IS NOT PER CAPITA.

"Romanians, Moroccans and Albanians commit the most crimes
> of all registered occurrances of crime, you look at the ethnicity of the perpetrator
> note that
  • no distinction is made between legal and illegal immigrants
  • Romanians are considered immigrants or else wouldn't be listed here.
  • it doesn't say if the focus is on all perpetrators or just (im)migrants
THIS IS NOT PER CAPITA

"The three ethnicity are also the major minorities in Italy."
> hence, if there is no under- or overrepresentation, they should also show up among all perpertrators in the same proportion to their presence among the (migrant) population of Italy
THIS NOT PER CAPITA

Regarding murders, Romanians are in first place (15.4% of the total number of foreigners reported for this offense), followed by Albanians (11.9%) and Moroccans (9.1%).
> This suggests a focus on crimes committed by foreigners (not that foreigner is not identical to immigrant. think e.g. tourists)

For sexual violence, Romanians are in the lead (representing 16.2% of the total number of foreigners reported for this offense), followed by Moroccans (15.9%) and Croats (13.9%), perpetrators of rape are of Italian nationality in 60.9 percent of cases.
> the data is all crimes of the type 'rape' > 60.9 percent of attackers Italian + 39.1 percent non-italian
which is a pretty similar proportion to immigrants v non-immigrants in Italy
> assumming rape=sexual violence and there not being many other forms of sexual violence besides rape, 16.2% Romanians is in relation to all non-italian perpetrators

By comparison, Italy's population in 2011 was 59,433,744 of which 3,879,224 foreign residents (6.5%) of which 823,100 Romanians (1,38%) and 407,097 Moroccans (0.68%) and 451,437 Albanians (0.76%). That is 21.2%, 10,5% and 11.6% respectively, relative to the foreign resident population. So, assuming briefly proportions in 2011 aren't significanly different from those in 2007, this says Romanians - while the numerically the largest group of non-Italian perpetrators of rape - are underrepresented in this category of crime and Moroccans and Albanians ar overrepresented.
NONE OF THIS IS PER CAPITA.

Now look at other type of crime:
-For home robberies, still in command Romanians (19.8%), followed by Albanians (13.8%) and Moroccans (8.7%).
-For muggings Moroccans are in first place (20.6%), followed by Romanians (19.3%) and Albanians (6%).
-As for car theft, Romanians return to the top (29.8%), followed by Moroccans (13.2%) and Albanians (8.8%).
-For extortion, finally, still Romanians (15%), followed by Albanians (11.2%) and Moroccans (10.7%).


Then you have no objective measure of evidence in support of you claim. Realistically, if we assume for a moment that it is true that there is a very larger percentage of gypsies in Romanian jails, then that doesn't necessarily or automatically mean they are more criminal. For example, there may be some for of profiling or bias in the Romanian police/justice system. See by comparison the data on blacks in jail in the US (Whites have lower conviction rates and lower sentences for a given crime)


Where exactly have I lectured on gypsie discrimination in the previous? Besides, we have gypsies, including Roma, in the Netherlands too and you don't hear me bitching about them. Sorry but that simply is a chip on your shoulder.

But I'm going of topic...


Ok,we're going to start all over again.Registered Romanians are roughly double the number of Albanians/Morrocans.Now,we can safely assume that numbers for Romanians are real as they can travel,reside there legally.That is not the case for Albanians/Morrocans so we can safely assume that there are more of them unregistered,residing as illegals.If they had the same criminal statistics Romanians should appear at least as double ...no ? which isn't the case in your stats.......this is also reflected in your quote,at least about rape..."this says Romanians - while the numerically the largest group of non-Italian perpetrators of rape - are underrepresented in this category of crime and Moroccans and Albanians ar overrepresented"

Bare in mind that due to free travel,organised crime easily moved from Romania to Western Europe,at least easier than non EU migrants.
 
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It is unwise to let more refugees into Europe now. The European Union has to apply a closed door policy especially in regards to people in that region of the world due to the high possibility of infiltration. Europe clearly is not best for them, nor are they needed in Europe.

Let them be housed in the Middle East in refugee housings till their homeland is retaken and stabilized.
So you want to colaborate with ISIS then?
 
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Ok,we're going to start all over again.Registered Romanians are roughly double the number of Albanians/Morrocans.Now,we can safely assume that numbers for Romanians are real as they can travel,reside there legally.That is not the case for Albanians/Morrocans so we can safely assume that there are more of them unregistered,residing as illegals.If they had the same criminal statistics Romanians should appear at least as double ...no ? which isn't the case in your stats.......this is also reflected in your quote,at least about rape..."this says Romanians - while the numerically the largest group of non-Italian perpetrators of rape - are underrepresented in this category of crime and Moroccans and Albanians ar overrepresented"

Bare in mind that due to free travel,organised crime easily moved from Romania to Western Europe,at least easier than non EU migrants.
You are suggesting all Albanians and Moroccans in Italy are there illegally?!
How rediculous is that.? Jus because one is not from an EU country, doesn't mean one is present illegally.
Any relative underrepresentation of Romanians in certain crime categories still does not preclude them from being the largest group numerically. Despite the fact that, accoridng to yhou they are all there legally.

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You are suggesting all Albanians and Moroccans in Italy are there illegally?!
How rediculous is that.? Jus because one is not from an EU country, doesn't mean one is present illegally.
Any relative underrepresentation of Romanians in certain crime categories still does not preclude them from being the largest group numerically. Despite the fact that, accoridng to yhou they are all there legally.

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I am saying that there are more of them illegally,which is the case in every Western country and have a higher representation in the crime stats vis a vis their numbers than Romanians.
 
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I am saying that there are more of them illegally,which is the case in every Western country and have a higher representation in the crime stats vis a vis their numbers than Romanians.
If you assert something, show the data.
 
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