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Don't Mistake China's Stock Market For China's Economy
Kenneth Rapoza
7/09/2015 @ 2:56PM

China’s A-share market is rebounding, but whether or not it has hit bottom is beside the point. What matters is this: the equity market in China is a more or less a gambling den dominated by retail investors who make their investment decisions based on what they read in investor newsletters. It’s a herd mentality. And more importantly, their trading habits do not reflect economic fundamentals.

“The country’s stock market plays a smaller role in its economy than the U.S. stock market does in ours, and has fewer linkages to the rest of the economy,” says Bill Adams, PNC Financial’s senior international economist in Pittsburgh.

The fact that the two are unhinged limits the potential for China’s equity correction — or a bubble — to trigger widespread economic distress. The recent 25% decline in the Deutsche X-Trackers China A-Shares (ASHR) fund, partially recuperated on Thursday, is not a signal of an impending Chinese recession.

PNC’s baseline forecast for Chinese real GDP growth in 2015 remains unchanged at 6.8% despite the correction, a correction which has been heralded by the bears as the beginning of the end for China’s capitalist experiment.

China’s economy, like its market, is transforming. China is moving away from being a low-cost producer and exporter, to becoming a consumer driven society. It wants to professionalize its financial services sector, and build a green-tech economy to help eliminate its pollution problems. It’s slowly opening its capital account and taking steps to reforming its financial markets. There will be errors and surprises, and anyone who thinks otherwise will be disappointed.

Over the last four weeks, the Chinese government misplayed its hand when it decided to use tools for the economy — mainly an interest rate reduction and reserve ratio requirement cuts for banks in an effort to provide the market with more liquidity.

It worked for a little while, and recent moves to change rules on margin, and even utilize a circuit-breaker mechanism to temporarily delist fast-tanking companies from the mainland stock market, might have worked if the Greece crisis didn’t pull the plug on global risk. The timing was terrible. And it pushed people into panic selling, turning China into the biggest financial market headline this side of Athens.

For better or for worse, Beijing now has no choice but to go all-in to defend equities, some investors told FORBES.

But China’s real economy is doing much better than the Shanghai and Shenzhen exchanges suggest. According to China Beige Book, the Chinese economy actually recovered last quarter. Markets are focusing on equities and PMI indicators from the state and HSBC as a gauge, but it should become clear in the coming weeks that China’s stock market is not a reflection of the fundamentals.

The Good, The Bad and the Ugly

To get a more detailed picture of what is driving China’s growth slowdown, it is necessary to look at a broader array of economic and financial indicators. The epicenter of China’s problems are the industrial and property sectors.

Shares of the Shanghai Construction Group, one of the largest developers listed on the Shanghai stock exchange, is down 42.6% in the past four weeks, two times worse than the Shanghai Composite Index. China Railway Group is down 33%, also an underperformer.

Growth in real industrial output has declined from 14% in mid-2011 to 5.9% in April, growth in fixed-asset investment declined 50% over the same period and electricity consumption by primary and secondary industries is in decline. China’s trade with the outside world is also falling, though this data does not always match up with other countries’ trade figures. Real estate is in decline as Beijing has put the breaks on its housing bubble. Only the east coast cities are still seeing price increases, but construction is not booming in Shanghai anymore.

The two main components of that have prevented a deeper downturn in activity are private spending on services, particularly financial services, and government-led increases in transportation infrastructure like road and rail.

Retail sales, especially e-commerce sales that have benefited the likes of Alibaba and Tencent, both of which have outperformed the index, have been growing faster than the overall economy. Electricity consumption in the services sector is expanding strongly. Growth in household incomes is outpacing GDP growth.

“China has begun the necessary rebalancing towards a more sustainable, consumption-led growth model,” says Jeremy Lawson, chief economist at Standard Life Investments in the U.K. He warns that “it’s still too early to claim success.”

Since 2011, developed markets led by the S&P 500 have performed better than China, but for one reason and one reason only: The central banks of Europe, the U.K., Japan and of course the U.S. have bought up assets in unprecedented volumes using printed money, or outright buying securities like the Fed’s purchase of bonds and mortgage backed securities.

Why bemoan China’s state intervention when central bank intervention has been what kept southern Europe afloat, and the U.S. stock market on fire since March 2009? Companies in China are still making money.

“I think people have no clue on China,” says Jan Dehn, head of research at Ashmore in London, a $70 billion emerging market fund manager with money at work in mainland China securities. “They don’t see the big picture. And they forget it is still an emerging market. The Chinese make mistakes and will continue to make mistakes like all governments. However, they will learn from their mistakes. The magnitude of most problems are not such that they lead to systematic meltdown. Each time the market freaks out, value — often deep value — starts to emerge. Long term, these volatile episodes are mere blips. They will not change the course of internationalization and maturing of the market,” Dehn told FORBES.

China is still building markets. It has a large environmental problem that will bode well for green tech firms like BYD. It’s middle class is not shrinking. Its billionaires are growing in numbers. They are reforming all the time. And in the long term, China is going to win. Markets are impatient and love a good drama. But investing is not a soap opera. It’s not Keeping up with the Kardashians you’re buying, you’re buying the world’s No. 2 economy, the biggest commodity consumer in the world, and home to 1.4 billion people, many of which have been steadily earning more than ever. China’s transition will cause temporary weakness in growth and volatility, maybe even crazy volatility.

But you have to break eggs to make an omelette, says Dehn.

Why The Stock Market Correction Won’t Hurt China

The Chinese equity correction is healthy and unlikely to have major adverse real economy consequences for several reasons:

First, China’s A-shares are still up 79% over the past 12 months. A reversal of fortunes was a shoo-in to occur.

Second, Chinese banks are basically not involved in providing leverage and show no signs of stress. The total leverage in Chinese financial markets is about four trillion yuan ($600 billion). Stock market leverage is concentrated in the informal sector – with trust funds and brokerages accounting for a little over half of the leverage. Margin financing via brokerages is down from 2.4 trillion yuan to 1.9 trillion yuan and let’s not forget that Chinese GDP is about 70 trillion yuan.

Third, there is very little evidence that the moves in the stock market will have a major impact on the real economy and consumption via portfolio loss. Stocks comprise only 15% of total wealth. Official sector institutions are large holders of stocks and their spending is under control of the government. As for the retail investor, they spend far less of their wealth than other countries. China has a 49% savings rate. Even if they lost half of it, they would be saving more than Americans, the highly indebted consumer society the world loves to love.

During the rally over the past twelve months, the stock market bubble did not trigger a boost in consumption indicating that higher equity gains didn’t impact spending habits too much.
The Chinese stock market is only 5% of total social financing in China. Stock markets only finance 2% of Chinese fixed asset investment. Only 1% of company loans have been put up with stocks as collateral, so the impact on corporate activity is going to be limited.

“The rapid rally and the violent correction illustrate the challenges of capital account liberalization, the need for a long-term institutional investor base, index inclusion and deeper financial markets, including foreign institutional investors,” Dehn says.

The A-shares correction is likely to encourage deeper financial reforms, not a reversal.

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This article is higher quality than the other ones we have seen in the past few weeks. Not in term of opinions, but in the fact that it actually delved into details and specifics such as Chinese stock market composition and looked at its effect from a broader perspective. Plus, no politics is involved and that always helps with maintaining a proper perspective.

Don't break their dreams man. :P

That said, this was a good wake up call for us, and especially the regulators.

Lucky this happened now, before our financial system has fully matured. So the damage is limited.

My impression is whoever is in charge of the regulatory committee overestimated its ability to respond and maintain order. Good lesson to learn and hopefully not too much damage is done.
 
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Chinese stock market had a far bigger crash in 2007 when it was at 7,000 and dropped below 2,000 points within a few months. But its impact on the Chinese economy was not very big.

Stock markets in general don't reflect the economy. There are ways you can get the stock market up without the economy doing well and the stock market can come down when the economy is doing well.
 
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The title is wrong, while it is true the stock market is not MAJORITY of Chinese Economy, which, being a developing country, it would be secondary base (manufacturing and industry).

Stock Market contribute less than 40% of Chinese Economy (I think IIRC it is 37% of Chinese GDP last year, I could be wrong tho)

But still that hit would have made impact on Chinese Economy as a whole, as 30% of that 37% wealth just vanished, it is no doubt it was in the trillions mark. It will hurt China, don't kid yourselves, they don't call it a crash without hurting the country infrastructure.

It actually serve as a remainder to Chinese tho, never depend on your Stock Market to make money for you.
 
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This is what happens when some one with half knowledge on economics and finance writes articles.

The equation between stock markets and economy is simple. Stock market index indicate the value of the companies while GDP is the collective produce of these companies. If valuing the companies is a problem, so is the collective produce of these the companies.

Moreover a problem in stock market is also a problem for debt markets. If stock market cannot value a company correctly, the debt instruments on the company are also speculative.
 
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Don't break their dreams man. :P

That said, this was a good wake up call for us, and especially the regulators.

Lucky this happened now, before our financial system has fully matured. So the damage is limited.

Chinese should not deregulate, such risky behavior is dangerous.
 
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This is what happens when some one with half knowledge on economics and finance writes articles.

The equation between stock markets and economy is simple. Stock market index indicate the value of the companies while GDP is the collective produce of these companies. If valuing the companies is a problem, so is the collective produce of these the companies.

Moreover a problem in stock market is also a problem for debt markets. If stock market cannot value a company correctly, the debt instruments on the company are also speculative.

The problem not exactly lies in the stock market itself, but the crash show Chinese irresponsibility on stock market, and most importantly, the general Chinese to Billionaire who invest in the market do not actually know How it works, couple with loose regulation, that is the recipe for this disaster.

Chinese need to learn about the stock market, and about how it actual reflect on people's wealth, the question is, if they still think this (the crash) is normal and that it's an "External" hand that leads to this market crash, then there are no where but heading into another big crash for them in a near future.
 
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The title is wrong, while it is true the stock market is not MAJORITY of Chinese Economy, which, being a developing country, it would be secondary base (manufacturing and industry).

Stock Market contribute less than 40% of Chinese Economy (I think IIRC it is 37% of Chinese GDP last year, I could be wrong tho)

But still that hit would have made impact on Chinese Economy as a whole, as 30% of that 37% wealth just vanished, it is no doubt it was in the trillions mark. It will hurt China, don't kid yourselves, they don't call it a crash without hurting the country infrastructure.

It actually serve as a remainder to Chinese tho, never depend on your Stock Market to make money for you.

Stock market value is not counted as part of the GDP calculation. For example, US stock market total value is 21.63 trillion USD. Its GDP, on the other hand, is only 16.77 trillion USD. This is because stock market exchange does not actually create any value where GDP stands for Gross Domestic Product.

Stock market value to GDP ratio is a less used indicator, mostly because it doesn't reflect much.

中美GDP构成比较,中国房地产业总收入只是制造业的5%_国际观察_天涯论坛

Stock market value is not total wealth either, especially neither infrastructure nor personal wealth. Part of personal saving of China is invested into stock market, but it is less than 5%. Rule of uneven wealth distribution also means out of the 5%, great majority is invested by wealthy individual rather than the common folk. This is, of course, on top of the fact that personal saving is a just one part of personal liquid assets, let alone the the entire personal wealth.

Infrastructure really has very little to do with stock market value. Part of infrastructure is fixed capital investment and part of them are simply national owned assets. In fact, infrastructure is pretty anti-thesis to stocks because infrastructure is typically fixed asset while stock market mainly deals with liquid asset.
 
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The problem not exactly lies in the stock market itself, but the crash show Chinese irresponsibility on stock market, and most importantly, the general Chinese to Billionaire who invest in the market do not actually know How it works, couple with loose regulation, that is the recipe for this disaster.

Chinese need to learn about the stock market, and about how it actual reflect on people's wealth, the question is, if they still think this (the crash) is normal and that it's an "External" hand that leads to this market crash, then there are no where but heading into another big crash for them in a near future.

Exactly...this is what happens when people invest based on expectations than on real value of a company. International financial institutions bring in rationality to the stock markets. Absence of International financial institutions in Chinese stock markets left the market with no real checks and balances.

Welcome Chinese to the real world!!!
 
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Exactly...this is what happens when people invest based on expectations than on real value of a company. International financial institutions bring in rationality to the stock markets. Absence of International financial institutions in Chinese stock markets left the market with no real checks and balances.

Welcome Chinese to the real world!!!

That doesn't make the least bit sense.

I live in US. The average folk here invests based on expectations as well. What? Why on earth would anyone expect the average Joe on the street to understand the intricacies of overall operation in a modern day corporation? That is a job for trained professionals and it is not easy even for them.

And periodic crash of stock market is normal as far as US stock market is concerned, as well as periodic burst in real estate. Seeing that we have seen the periodic burst in US for the past century. It is certainly not caused by an "absence of international financial institutions".

Also, the average citizen accounts for merely 7.5% of the Chinese stock value. Their influence is very limited.
 
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That doesn't make the least bit sense.

I live in US. The average folk here invests based on expectations as well. What? Why on earth would anyone expect the average Joe on the street to understand the intricacies of overall operation in a modern day corporation? That is a job for trained professionals and it is not easy even for them.

And periodic crash of stock market is normal as far as US stock market is concerned, as well as periodic burst in real estate. Seeing that we have seen the periodic burst in US for the past century. It is certainly not caused by an "absence of international financial institutions".

Also, the average citizen accounts for merely 7.5% of the Chinese stock value. Their influence is very limited.

If an average Joe don't understand how to invest, he shouldn't be investing but should entrust that responsibility to a trained professional.

In mature stock markets the marginal investor is never a retail investor, but a financial institution. All investment decision are taken based on risk and return characteristics of a financial institution. If a retail investor wants to invest on his own, he should think like a financial institution.

There is nothing called periodic crash of stock markets. Stock market crash when expectations don't match realities.
 
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The title is wrong, while it is true the stock market is not MAJORITY of Chinese Economy, which, being a developing country, it would be secondary base (manufacturing and industry).

Stock Market contribute less than 40% of Chinese Economy (I think IIRC it is 37% of Chinese GDP last year, I could be wrong tho)

But still that hit would have made impact on Chinese Economy as a whole, as 30% of that 37% wealth just vanished, it is no doubt it was in the trillions mark. It will hurt China, don't kid yourselves, they don't call it a crash without hurting the country infrastructure.

It actually serve as a remainder to Chinese tho, never depend on your Stock Market to make money for you.
The stock market has no correlation with the real economy.

If an average Joe don't understand how to invest, he shouldn't be investing but should entrust that responsibility to a trained professional.

In mature stock markets the marginal investor is never a retail investor, but a financial institution. All investment decision are taken based on risk and return characteristics of a financial institution. If a retail investor wants to invest on his own, he should think like a financial institution.

There is nothing called periodic crash of stock markets. Stock market crash when expectations don't match realities.
Average Joes have been slaughtered in US markets in the past and continue to get slaughtered. Even hedge fund managers git slaughtered at some point in time. If people want to gamble it's their money
 
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