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Don't be afraid, i call it 'free speech'.

Hi,

Actually it is the British govt not doing enough---. The parents of young Pakistani emigrants have have been asking for years to arrest people like Anjum Chaudhry and prosecute the.

Britain is the major recruiting ground for the Al Qaeda and isis because of the incompetence of the british govt. Terrorists and their sympathizers are given a free hand to recruit---mosques are being used by the recruiters under the tutelage of british govt.

The britis govt shuld not be blaming anyone else but themselves.

Classic duplicitous attitude of blame-the-victims. Why should Anjuman be banned? The Islamic/Muslim community should do so by self-regulation/censorship and not be enticed by his slogans. There must be something about his massage that resonates with some of you. You need to root out THAT.

We in the west are being wizened up to the inside workings of islam (and we politely call it as a perversion but nonetheless a part of it). Watch
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When you have 3 robber and thief brothers in a family of 7,

What will be the reputation of the family.

Even when two from the remaining ones are heart surgeons?

Would you be willing to give rishta (hand in marriage) of your family girls into that family?
Would you call the reputation of that family "total misunderstanding"?
As always a very astute observation.

A total misunderstanding ..... i think they should study our religion and clear up their minds that we arent who they think we are :/
We don't need to. Actions speak louder than words. Clean up the act and we will notice. Some reform definitely needed in your midst.
 
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Classic duplicitous attitude of blame-the-victims. Why should Anjuman be banned? The Islamic/Muslim community should do so by self-regulation/censorship and not be enticed by his slogans. There must be something about his massage that resonates with some of you. You need to root out THAT.

We in the west are being wizened up to the inside workings of islam (and we politely call it as a perversion but nonetheless a part of it). Watch
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As always a very astute observation.


We don't need to. Actions speak louder than words. Clean up the act and we will notice. Some reform definitely needed in your midst.

Hi,

4 years on this board----about 125 messages a year----10 messages a month---if you have kept your mouth shut for so long----why don't you keep it that way now.
 
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Hi,

Actually it is the British govt not doing enough---. The parents of young Pakistani emigrants have have been asking for years to arrest people like Anjum Chaudhry and prosecute the.

Britain is the major recruiting ground for the Al Qaeda and isis because of the incompetence of the british govt. Terrorists and their sympathizers are given a free hand to recruit---mosques are being used by the recruiters under the tutelage of british govt.

The britis govt shuld not be blaming anyone else but themselves.

This! They banned and arrested and deported Abu "Hook boy" Qatada, but Anjeem Chaudhary the hate preacher has never been touched and is free to spread his message of hate and violence. The UK government has no one else but themselves to blame.

@waz @Horus @WebMaster , Sirs please kindly do the needful in this thread please.
 
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we should ofcourse avoid any extremes and phobias including islamophobia. BUT (you knew this was coming!) if what is quoted here is the full text of what was said then how does this amount to islamophobia?

1. it is true that muslims have to do a LOT more than the rest of the world because that is the community from which recruits are coming to te terrorist groups. for example how can the govt regulate what is preached in the mosques? it is the muslims who have to do that. 90% of terrorist crimes come from one religious community and are committed in the name of the diktat of the religion, ONLY members of that religious community can counter that. How can a jew or christian or hindu credibly refute the claims of of the jihadi who is quoting the quran as the reason?

2. the argument that when atrocities are committed by non-muslims then why the non-muslim community is not called upon similarly - is invalid from the point of view of sheer numbers. In the past when the cruisades occurred, yes the christians were blamed and called upon to repair their religion. On a non-religious community example, when the nazi outrage occurred, the german aryan supremists were blamed; more recently when the ku klux khan was raging the white supremists were blamed and prosecuted. Right now Taleban, al qaeda, IS, boko haram....all these are terrorising in the name of islam. Hence muslims are
 
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UK government comes close to blaming all Muslims for acts of Islamic terrorism

Lindsey German 19 January 2015. Posted in News

Opposition to war, Islamophobia and attacks on civil liberties are all connected, says Lindsey German, and we have to campaign against all three.

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UK GOVERNMENT ministers Eric Pickles and Theresa May couldn’t really make it clearer who they think is to blame for Islamic terrorism. It is the whole of the Muslim community.


Pickles, along with fellow Tory minister Lord Ahmad, has written to Muslim organisations telling them that they are not doing enough to stop extremism.

The letter has produced a surprisingly strong response from the Muslim Council of Britain, saying that Pickles is treating the community as if it is separate from mainstream British society, something they compare to far right attitudes.

In the heightened atmosphere following the terrible events in Paris with the Charlie Hebdo and kosher supermarket shootings, on the grounds of rooting out terrorism, the British government is making sure that Muslims have to constantly denounce extremists within their own midst, something that, for example, the far right never has to do when one of its number commits terrorist crimes.

Muslim communities are under threat from Islamophobia, taking the form of verbal abuse and physical attacks. The general secretary of the Finsbury Park mosque, Mohammed Kozbar, told Sky News that his mosque has seen increased attacks. ‘Most of them are nasty drawings about our prophet and our books. Some of them make death threats against our community, so it's quite frightening for our community and our mosque’.

The monitoring group Tell Mama also reports increases in attacks on Muslims.

Little of this is reported, let alone commented on, in the media. Whereas the government has announced police protection for synagogues and Jewish schools, claiming that there is a heightened threat of anti Semitic attacks, it has made no such claims about anti Muslim attacks, even though these have become increasingly common.

The contrast between the approach of Pickles and May at a memorial service for the Paris victims -- organised by the Jewish community -- and that towards the Muslim community, could not be starker.

While the Tory ministers pledged their support and solidarity to the Jewish community, holding up ‘Je suis juif’ placards and saying quite rightly that they should not feel under threat because of their culture or religion, they have not extended the same support to Muslims. It is hard to imagine Pickles holding up a placard which says ‘je suis musulman’ any time soon.

The news that the Islamophobic Pegida organisation, which has organised demonstrations in Dresden and other German cities, is planning to bring its hateful message to Britain is chilling but perhaps not such surprising news. No wonder its organisers feel confident to do so.

Missing from all this is any sense that Islamic terrorism is linked to wider events, many of them connected to the government’s calamitous war on terror. Indeed the Guardian’s Jonathan Freedland has explicitly rejected any connection, regarding it as a ‘coping mechanism’ for those living in fear at terrorism.

The fact remains however that this terrorism has grown out of all proportion since the war on terror began, and has spread from Afghanistan through to Africa and the Middle East. There are many signs that its latest stages, especially in Iraq, Syria and Libya, are promoting Islamic terror, not diminishing it.

Another fact needs spelling out: that the major racism in Europe today is against Muslims. All racism is abhorrent, and every group has the right to stand up against it. But the racist demonstrations are against Muslims, the majority of attacks are against Muslims, the clamp down on civil liberties is primarily against Muslims.

Opposition to war, Islamophobia and attacks on civil liberties was the basis on which the Stop the War Coalition was founded. None will be ended until we understand the connection, and campaign against all three.

Source: Stop the War Coalition

UK government comes close to blaming all Muslims for acts of Islamic terrorism - Stop the War Coalition
Moroccan man in France killed at home in front of wife in 'horrible Islamophobic attack' - Europe - World - The Independent
So they want war they will get it
 
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Classic duplicitous attitude of blame-the-victims. Why should Anjuman be banned? The Islamic/Muslim community should do so by self-regulation/censorship and not be enticed by his slogans. There must be something about his massage that resonates with some of you. You need to root out THAT.

We in the west are being wizened up to the inside workings of islam (and we politely call it as a perversion but nonetheless a part of it). Watch
.


As always a very astute observation.


We don't need to. Actions speak louder than words. Clean up the act and we will notice. Some reform definitely needed in your midst.

Sir,

Just because addressed my post---does not qualify you for an answer.
 
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This! They banned and arrested and deported Abu "Hook boy" Qatada, but Anjeem Chaudhary the hate preacher has never been touched and is free to spread his message of hate and violence. The UK government has no one else but themselves to blame.

@waz @Horus @WebMaster , Sirs please kindly do the needful in this thread please.

Hi,

I forgot about that guy and was there a blind cleric as well---or is he the same one----all these criminals openly recruiting for terrorists to operate in other countries.
 
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Yes [USER=38719]@FaujHistorian[/USER] i do agree that reputation of the family of 7 will be effected by 3 robbers. But lets take up this example in the broader perspective;
"Will these 3 robbers going to ruin the reputation of the whole nation of peculiar country?.....(Keeping in view that there are black sheeps in every society)" ...........Well i think that framing and blaming the whole community for the acts of an individuals, is not the right thing. And sir just think for a second that, will you going to take the blame of some one whom you dont even know!
but for many these three are the real achievers while the remaining four are just common sissies !
 
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but for many these three are the real achievers while the remaining four are just common sissies !
Well also for many these four are responsible for the actions of these three....
And by the way are you talking about Syrian rebells ? Lol
 
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why only Syrians .. many are there.
Yes we all condemn the barbaricism of terrorists all around the world. In fact we are also wiping out these barbarians from our land.
But bro can you plz care to tell me, if any terror incidence occurs, will you guys gonna blame terrorists for it or you guys will feel right to blame some other unknown person who is sitting on the other corner of the world and don't even know what's happening over there.
 
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