Donald Trump: Saudi Arabia's acquisition of nuclear weapons is "necessary"

[The SC]

Ah yes, the 48 F-35s that will appear out of nowhere, so easily.

Don't hurt that much my friend.. I know that everytime you are hurt, you just troll..

 

[AmirPatriot]

Don't hurt that much my friend.. I know that everytime you are hurt, you just troll..

It's not trolling to doubt that an arab country will be allowed to buy a system that would be on par with an Israeli system. It goes against US policy.

 

[The SC]

It's not trolling to doubt that an arab country will be allowed to buy a system that would be on par with an Israeli system. It goes against US policy.

UAE and KSA are not included in what is called as the front Arab countries like Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq..these front countries don't even get the AMRAAM.. while the UAE, KSA and others have them.. the F-15 is another example that Saudi Arabia has along with AWACS since the mid 70s and 80s.. that is why I am convinced.. The UAE asked the US a few times, and now the US responded positively.. it even invited unofficially KSA who did not ask for the F-35.. so it has joined the negotiations..

 

[dani191]

you can buy from us we also have jerocho 3

 

[AmirPatriot]

UAE and KSA are not included in what is called as the front Arab countries like Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Iraq..these front countries don't even get the AMRAAM

That doesn't mean Israel doesn't try.

"In 1983 when the Reagan administration, under pressure from the Israeli lobby and a legislative veto, refused to sell an additional 48 F-15s to Saudi Arabia. AIPAC proved influential enough to persuade Congress to block the sale of additional F-15s to Saudi Arabia."

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/gulf/rsaf-f-15.htm

I think it is possible that Saudi may get the F-35 sometime in the future, but not before the Israelis have got more, and upgraded them.

As for the AWACS:

To allay Israel's concerns, the aircraft were equipped specifically for the defensive needs of the Persian Gulf and Red Sea areas only. Congress required that the United States have substantial control over the use of the airplanes and sharing the AWACS data. By letter dated October 28, 1981, President Reagan assured thenSenate Majority Leader Baker that the proposed transfer to Saudi Arabia of AWACS (airborne warning and control system) aircraft would not occur until the President had certified to the Congress that specified conditions had been met. Subse - quently, Section 131 of the International ÍSecurity and Development Cooperation Act of 1985 (ISDCA) [P.L. 99-83, August 1985] incorporated the text of that letter, with its conditions for certification, into legislation. In accordance with Section 131, of the International Security and Development Cooperation Act of 1985, P.L. 99-83, President Reagan certified on 18 June 1986 that these conditions had been met, specifically:

• That a detailed plan for the security of equipment, technology, information, and support ing documentation has been agreed to by the United States and Saudi Arabia and is in place; and
• The security provisions for Saudi AWACS aircraft are no less stringent than measures employed by the United States for protection and control of its equipment of like kind outside the continental United states; and
• The United States has the right of continual on-site inspection and surveillance by U.S. personnel of security arrangements for all operations during the useful life of the AWACS. It is _further provided that security arrangements will be supplemented by additional U.S. personnel if it is deemed necessary by the two parties; and
• Saudi Arabia will not permit citizens of third nations either to perform maintenance on the AWACS or to modify any such equipment without prior, explicit mutual consent of the two governments; and
• Computer software, as designated by the United States Government, will remain the property of the United States Government.
• That Saudi Arabia has agreed to share with the United States continuously and completely the information that it acquires from use of the AWACS.
• That Saudi Arabia has agreed not to share access to AWACS equipment, technology, documentation, or any information developed from such equipment or technology with any nation other than the United States without the prior, explicit mutual consent of both governments; and
• There are in place adequate and effective procedures requiring the screening and security clearances of citizens of Saudi Arabia and only cleared Saudi citizens and cleared U.S. nationals will have access to AWACS equipment, technology, or documentation, or information derived therefrom, without the prior, explicit mutual consent of the two governments.
• That the Saudi AWACS will be operated solely within the boundaries of Saudi Arabia, except with the prior, explicit mutual consent of the two governments, and solely for defensive purposes as defined by the United States, in order to maintain security and regional stability.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/gulf/sa-peace-sentinel.htm

 

[The SC]

That doesn't mean Israel doesn't try.

"In 1983 when the Reagan administration, under pressure from the Israeli lobby and a legislative veto, refused to sell an additional 48 F-15s to Saudi Arabia. AIPAC proved influential enough to persuade Congress to block the sale of additional F-15s to Saudi Arabia."

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/gulf/rsaf-f-15.htm

I think it is possible that Saudi may get the F-35 sometime in the future, but not before the Israelis have got more, and upgraded them.

As for the AWACS:

To allay Israel's concerns, the aircraft were equipped specifically for the defensive needs of the Persian Gulf and Red Sea areas only. Congress required that the United States have substantial control over the use of the airplanes and sharing the AWACS data. By letter dated October 28, 1981, President Reagan assured thenSenate Majority Leader Baker that the proposed transfer to Saudi Arabia of AWACS (airborne warning and control system) aircraft would not occur until the President had certified to the Congress that specified conditions had been met. Subse - quently, Section 131 of the International ÍSecurity and Development Cooperation Act of 1985 (ISDCA) [P.L. 99-83, August 1985] incorporated the text of that letter, with its conditions for certification, into legislation. In accordance with Section 131, of the International Security and Development Cooperation Act of 1985, P.L. 99-83, President Reagan certified on 18 June 1986 that these conditions had been met, specifically:

• That a detailed plan for the security of equipment, technology, information, and support ing documentation has been agreed to by the United States and Saudi Arabia and is in place; and
• The security provisions for Saudi AWACS aircraft are no less stringent than measures employed by the United States for protection and control of its equipment of like kind outside the continental United states; and
• The United States has the right of continual on-site inspection and surveillance by U.S. personnel of security arrangements for all operations during the useful life of the AWACS. It is _further provided that security arrangements will be supplemented by additional U.S. personnel if it is deemed necessary by the two parties; and
• Saudi Arabia will not permit citizens of third nations either to perform maintenance on the AWACS or to modify any such equipment without prior, explicit mutual consent of the two governments; and
• Computer software, as designated by the United States Government, will remain the property of the United States Government.
• That Saudi Arabia has agreed to share with the United States continuously and completely the information that it acquires from use of the AWACS.
• That Saudi Arabia has agreed not to share access to AWACS equipment, technology, documentation, or any information developed from such equipment or technology with any nation other than the United States without the prior, explicit mutual consent of both governments; and
• There are in place adequate and effective procedures requiring the screening and security clearances of citizens of Saudi Arabia and only cleared Saudi citizens and cleared U.S. nationals will have access to AWACS equipment, technology, or documentation, or information derived therefrom, without the prior, explicit mutual consent of the two governments.
• That the Saudi AWACS will be operated solely within the boundaries of Saudi Arabia, except with the prior, explicit mutual consent of the two governments, and solely for defensive purposes as defined by the United States, in order to maintain security and regional stability.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/gulf/sa-peace-sentinel.htm

Usrael already got to make its own electronic suite for the F-35..and it will also receive a unique F-35 to conduct new experiments on it and integration of its own weapons..
What the UAE and KSA will get is just the standard one like the rest..minus NATO specific components..

 

[Cookie Monster]

In all the events and facts you mentioned, KSA's position on Palestine has been consistent over the decades..since the occupation of Palestine.. and everytime Usrael has destroyed Gaza or the occupied territories' infrastructures, it is KSA who has paid for their rebuilding with aid in excess of at least $15 billion .. So what can be expected more..that KSA go to war against Usrael and hence against the US? that is a bit nonsense..

I was hoping to find some time and reply to ur post in detail...but so far I have been unable to and it doesn't look like I'll be free anytime soon...

First up I never said that a country has to go to war just to prove its stance on something...

Secondly I was gonna dig up some news articles about various decisions taken by KSA over the years...in support of my earlier argument...but I don't have that kind of time to spare at the moment. So at this point let's just agree to disagree.

 

[EpiiC]

you can buy from us we also have jerocho 3

You can train the Saudis and Emiraties soon.... You can provide them with space assets... High tech products.