Donald Trump: Saudi Arabia 'should pay us'

[Saif al-Arab]

The GCC (practically one country forming all of the Arabian Peninsula, excluding Yemen) is the foremost economic (almost a 2 trillion dollar nominal GDP), military and cultural/religious power in the MENA region. Probably also the most resource rich in terms of natural resources and minerals. Actually not "probably" but certainly.

Trump is thinking business sense. Sure it would make sense. But the U.S. has not been know to get involve in wars by being paid.

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[Magi Brahmin]

That's not how it works. I hope you meant that in jest, otherwise it shows how shallow your knowledge of US and even world politics is.

I think you should stop quoting him mate

 

[الأعرابي]

ME is debatable , if you include Turkey and Egypt both are militarily superior , Israel is also superior in military terms

Are you joking? The best tank Turkey got is the aging M60. Their air force still operates F-4s and got an inferior block F-16 as its backbone. Probably (and I'm not sure) the only thing Turkey got that is superior is their navy other than that i can't think of any thing. And btw KSA also operates AWAKS both American made and Swedish made. As for Israel its debatable.

 

[xenon54 out]

The best tank Turkey got is the aging M60.

Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 are nothing in your eyes i suppose, 240 F-16 which mostly are modernized with indigenous software are a considerable force, the remainin F-4 are upgraded while the non-upgraded onces are being decommissioned, and last but not least in about 4 years the first of 100+ F-35 will enter service.

I would say Turkey and KSA are overall on par while Israel is a little bit more advanced but the picture will change in 5 years with F-35 and Altay starting to enter its service.

 

[Serpentine]

Leopard 1 and Leopard 2 are nothing in your eyes i suppose, 240 F-16 which mostly are modernized with indigenous software are a considerable force, the remainin F-4 are upgraded while the non-upgraded onces are being decommissioned, and last but not least in about 4 years the first of 100+ F-35 will enter service.

I would say Turkey and KSA are overall on par while Israel is a little bit more advanced but the picture will change in 5 years with F-35 and Altay starting to enter its service.

Actually no, Turkish army will own Saudis in case of war. Yes in terms of equipment they are on par more or less, but that's not everything.

They have been bombing Houthis with Ak-47 and destroying all Yemeni infrastructures and they think it's called a powerful army.

You do know how they begged U.S to save them from Iraq in 1991? It's not only about equipment. It does matter greatly, but being able to use them properly in front of a proper enemy is another thing.

 

[Shotgunner51]

they protect the Saudi (royal family) and ...

"They" here refer to the taxpaying general public in US.

... in turn the Saudi (royal family) buys over-priced airplanes, parts, weapons systems and ammunition.....

But not exactly the same "they" as the above profit from these sales, who pocketed the money?

 

[xenon54 out]

Actually now, Turkish army will own Saudis in case of war. Yes in terms of equipment they are on par more or less, but that's not everything.

They have been bombing Houthis with Ak-47 and destroying all Yemeni infrastructures and they think it's called a powerful army.

You do know how they begged U.S to save them from Iraq in 1991? It's not only about equipment. It does matter greatly, but being able to use them properly in front of a proper enemy is another thing.

Yes training is a crucial part of military strenght but i cant comment on Saudi Military training since im ignorant about it, when it comes to one on one comparison then Saudi surely have some nice hardware.

 

[bdslph]

my vote for donald trump

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Actually no, Turkish army will own Saudis in case of war. Yes in terms of equipment they are on par more or less, but that's not everything.

They have been bombing Houthis with Ak-47 and destroying all Yemeni infrastructures and they think it's called a powerful army.

You do know how they begged U.S to save them from Iraq in 1991? It's not only about equipment. It does matter greatly, but being able to use them properly in front of a proper enemy is another thing.

Another Farsi writing nonsense as usual.

First of all there won't ever be a war between KSA and Turkey. Secondly a blind man can see that KSA is one of the greatest military powers not only in the region but the world along with the GCC as a whole. Turkey obviously belongs in that same group of countries.

The Houthi terrorist cult is the most heavily armed terrorist group in the world and moreover was/is allied with significant branches of the Yemeni army that are still loyal to the Ali Abdullah Saleh crook.

Not only that they are fighting in their home turf which is highly mountainous and which no foreigner in history has ever fully controlled. Yemen has been a graveyard for many powerful armies. From failed Roman and Byzantine invasions, to Ottoman defeats to Egyptian defeats. The British Empire never controlled Northern Yemen either. Only the South.

Yet, the Arab coalition (KSA playing a key role here) is marching forward for each week and the Houthi's biggest achievement (despite sharing an almost 2000 km long border, mostly highly mountainous) is blowing a few tanks up. Well done indeed.

Now the Houthi's are slowly being driven away from Yemen. By this time next year I suspect that they will return to their caves in the Sa'adah province.

All the Mullah barking aside you have been unable to help your allies in any way whatsoever. The coalition has prevented you from doing just that. Whether from the sea or air.

Saddam Hussein never managed to invade KSA. He invaded small Kuwait. Back then Iraq had arguably the most powerful army alongside Israel. An army that your country failed to defeat despite promises of reaching Baghdad and despite being a 2.5 times more populous nation and almost 4 times bigger.

Not only that it's moronic to talk about events that occurred 25 years ago. Such a thing won't happen again and I doubt that any nation would be foolish enough to attempt to invade the 12th biggest country on the planet (KSA) which extremely difficult mountainous, highland and desert terrain and with weather being a huge obstacle for most invaders let alone sheer size and probable opposition the invader would meet. Most of KSA has never been conquered by any foreigner despite several attempts. The Iraqi resistance would look like a picnic trip in comparison in terms of resistance.

my vote for donald trump

Instead of obsessing about KSA and the more than 20 Arab nations and 450 million Arabs you should focus about your tiny Sri Lanka which has a population the size of Cairo and a economy over twice as small as that of Kuwait. A Sri Lanka which hosts a Muslim community (Sri Lankan Moors) that claim Arab ancestry.

Sri Lankan Moors - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Another thing Donald Trump has close business relations with several Arab billionaires and millionaires in the US aside from several GCC firms. KSA should not pay for anything either. A ridiculous suggestion.

Meanwhile the US is donating billions to Israel each year. KSA should get some of that money too.

 

[Serpentine]

Another Farsi writing nonsense as usual.

First of all there won't ever be a war between KSA and Turkey. Secondly a blind man can see that KSA is one of the greatest military powers not only in the region but the world along with the GCC as a whole. Turkey obviously belongs in that same group of countries.

The Houthi terrorist cult is the most heavily armed terrorist group in the world and moreover was/is allied with significant branches of the Yemeni army that are still loyal to the Ali Abdullah Saleh crook.

Not only that they are fighting in their home turf which is highly mountainous and which no foreigner in history has ever fully controlled. Yemen has been a graveyard for many powerful armies. From failed Roman and Byzantine invasions, to Ottoman defeats to Egyptian defeats. The British Empire never controlled Northern Yemen either. Only the South.

Yet, the Arab coalition (KSA playing a key role here) is marching forward for each week and the Houthi's biggest achievement (despite sharing an almost 2000 km long border, mostly highly mountainous) is blowing a few tanks up. Well done indeed.

Now the Houthi's are slowly being driven away from Yemen. By this time next year I suspect that they will return to their caves in the Sa'adah province.

All the Mullah barking aside you have been unable to help your allies in any way whatsoever. The coalition has prevented you from doing just that. Whether from the sea or air.

Saddam Hussein never managed to invade KSA. He invaded small Kuwait. Back then Iraq had arguably the most powerful army alongside Israel. An army that your country failed to defeat despite promises of reaching Baghdad and despite being a 2.5 times more populous nation and almost 4 times bigger.

Not only that it's moronic to talk about events that occurred 25 years ago. Such a thing won't happen again and I doubt that any nation would be foolish enough to attempt to invade the 12th biggest country on the planet (KSA) which extremely difficult mountainous, highland and desert terrain and with weather being a huge obstacle for most invaders let alone sheer size and probable opposition the invader would meet. Most of KSA has never been conquered by any foreigner despite several attempts. The Iraqi resistance would look like a picnic trip in comparison in terms of resistance.

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No offense, but I won't waste time over your blabbering again. Now write me a novel or a Wikipedia. You just repeat the same nonsense again and again and again like a record. Saudi stronkkk, are you satisfied?

PS: You never change your tone, so I won't have time for an answer to you as long as you write a bible for me full of sabre-rattling. But I'm all for a logical discussion, without getting personal, that you always do.

Most of KSA has never been conquered by any foreigner despite several attempts. The Iraqi resistance would look like a picnic trip in comparison in terms of resistance.

Just this part.


That made me laugh. thanks The most important region of KSA, Hijaz, was conquered. The rest was not anything but a vast desert wasteland worth of conquering. Iranian empires managed to capture major parts of Egypt, but never went for deserts of Arabia, not because they faced resistance, but because there was literally nothing there but sand and Bedouins. Same as Ottomans. Didn't that ever raise the question for you why Ottomans didn't go for rest of KSA? Guess what? Because it was a huge wasteland.


@الاعرابی Next time you want to quote me, learn to behave and watch your language. This is not your first time and I'm not your friend or family. Your post is reported.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

No offense, but I won't waste time over your blabbering again. Now write me a novel or a Wikipedia. You just repeat the same nonsense again and again and again like a record. Saudi stronkkk, are you satisfied?

Of course not since you can't deal with facts as usual. The only thing you are good at is being obsessed about your military, religious, cultural and linguistic conquerors the Arabs.

Is that why Assyrians, Romans, Byzantines, Farsis and others tried to invade Arabia?

Is that why Arabia was home to some of he most important trading routes in the ancient world and some of the most important/valuable commodities?

Incense (once more valuable than gold for almost 1 millennium) gold (the biggest gold mine in the ME is located in KSA), myrrh, pearls, precious stones, the world famous Arabian horses (which btw originate from Najd) etc.

All of Southern KSA (1/4 the size of Iran) is mountainous and semi-tropical while all of Eastern Arabia was always much sought after as evident of history and the numerous ancient civilizations starting from Sumer.

Only Najd is the exception and regardless of the reasons it has never been conquered despite attempts.

Also look who is talking. Most of Iran is a wasteland by that logic too. All of Eastern Iran and Central Iran is a desert. Rest is mountainous. Did not stop dozens of invaders from conquering it did it?

Arabia is the longest inhabited area on the planet after East Africa and South Africa and is home to some of the oldest cities. When Arabia was inhabited by people your Iran was a wasteland only inhabited by animals.

Incense Route - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Indian Ocean trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For your information then Hijaz was never fully controlled, only de jure. Local rulers allied with the Ottoman Sultan in Istanbul ruled and Ottoman presence (soldiers) occurred only in the main cities.

Arabia was famous for it's riches and trade routes even in ancient times, what the hell was Iran famous for in terms of commodities that the world was looking to buy? Carpets? Almonds?

Even to this day the Arabian Peninsula is richer than Iran in terms of natural resources and minerals.

Funny that you mention Egypt which is the driest country on the planet and which is 99% desert and which only has mountainous areas in Sinai. Great logic. The mountainous areas of Arabia are almost the size of Egypt. Just stick to Mullahstan and worry about Tajikistan if you want to cross borders.

 

[الأعرابي]

@الاعرابی Next time you want to quote me, learn to behave and watch your language. This is not your first time and I'm not your friend or family. Your post is reported.

Cry me a river. There's only facts in my post not insults. You're just pissed that you can't do anything about it since we're not in the Iranian section

 

[Serpentine]

Cry me a river. There's only facts in my post not insults. You're just pissed that you can't do anything about it since we're not in the Iranian section

Good for you.

@Saif al-Arab
You didn't read my post it seems and again, you write a novel. Ok, Saudi deserts are the most important trade routes in the whole world, if that makes you happy. Copy/pasting things here will not change anything.

Now, to stay on topic, you should agree with some parts of Trump's words, even though I agree that he is truly a nutjob. U.S has done too much to protect Saudis, and obviusly they benefited too.

Saudis help the dollar to become the dominant currency in in oil trade, aka Petro dollar. That's one of the greatest services a 'Muslim country' has ever done for U.S. But, they also saved Saudis from Saddam Hussein, same as Kuwait. Had U.S not intervened, he would march to Riyadh and rest. And they have always ensured your security is not threatened by anyone. You should give them credit where it's due.

It's not like Saudis should literally pay U.S, but GCC countries should be thankful for where they are. If they didn't have U.S support, situation would be a lot different. You can't deny that.

 

[Guynextdoor2]

Pre Trump- America on its way to greatness
Post Trump- A new Columbus needs to be born to rediscover it

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Good for you.

@Saif al-Arab
You didn't read my post it seems and again, you write a novel. Ok, Saudi deserts are the most important trade routes in the whole world, if that makes you happy. Copy/pasting things here will not change anything.

Now, to stay on topic, you should agree with some parts of Trump's words, even though I agree that he is truly a nutjob. U.S has done too much to protect Saudis, and obviusly they benefited too.

Saudis help the dollar to become the dominant currency in in oil trade, aka Petro dollar. That's one of the greatest services a 'Muslim country' has ever done for U.S. But, they also saved Saudis from Saddam Hussein, same as Kuwait. Had U.S not intervened, he would march to Riyadh and rest. And they have always ensured your security is not threatened by anyone. You should give them credit where it's due.

It's not like Saudis should literally pay U.S, but GCC countries should be thankful for where they are. If they didn't have U.S support, situation would be a lot different. You can't deny that.

Did you even read what I wrote? So I just created well-known maps of the ancient world dating back to 1000 BC showing the main trade routes, main cities etc.? Or I just made up the wide ranch of very valuable commodities that made Arabia a very prosperous and sought after region for millenniums?

I just made up all the dynasties and peoples that tried to conquer Arabia but failed?
In case you don't know it then KSA is much more than just Najd which itself is a highland (Najd means highland in Arabic) and Najd is actually well-known for its agricultural centers. I did not invent that either, Google is your friend here.

No, Iranian deserts and mountains are the most important trade routes of the world and were home to the most sought after commodities unlike in Arabia.

Actually I was wrong. Quite a few non-native Arab and Semitic dynasties controlled Najd but foreigners here means non-Arabs/non-Semites.

My posts speaks for themselves but you are free to go against historical facts.

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I don't think that Donald Trump is a nutjub. He is just looking for publicity as he has criticized all US allies starting from Germany (his own dad was originally from Germany) to the UK (his mother is from Scotland) all the way to Japan as well. So I don't take him seriously when he makes such attempts of gaining publicity. It's just cheap populism.

Are you serious? The dollar has been the by far most significant currency in the world for the past 100 years. Ever heard about the Gold Standard?

KSA is not the only oil and gas exporter in the world. There is a country across the Gulf to the East which sold all it's oil and gas using the Dollar for 6 decades starting from the time the Brits (if I recall) discovered oil in Iran. All countries are doing the exact same thing.

KSA and the US has been allies for over 70 years. The relationship has benefited both countries and there cannot be doubt about that.

I highly doubt that Saddam Hussein was ever serious about attacking KSA. He knew that the world would not look silently if he did so. It would paralyze the world economies. Either USA or another superpower would have stepped in or a Arab coalition against him would have been formed. At most he attempted to control the oil and gas in the Eastern Province.

KSA was much weaker back then (25 years ago) but it was no pushover either.

You are very naive if you think that US (the by far most powerful country on almost every front) would keep the current status quo (relationship with KSA and the GCC) alive if it did not benefit it. It's simple idiotic to claim otherwise as the same US has been quick to invade/topple hostile regimes in the region that tried to or worked against US interests.

Besides I consider the US as a great country and I am very happy that KSA and the US have been allies for this long. I hope that the US can press for necessary reforms in KSA. The US has never hurt KSA. No colonization, no exploitation etc. The US has never imposed themselves on KSA or demanded it to change completely. There is no need for KSA to be hostile against the US at all. Other countries have had different stories with the US but that's normal.

Your regime and many of your compatriots think that US is the root of all evil in the MENA region along with some of their allies but that's not how everyone sees it. KSA is an independent nation and can pursue friendship with any country it wants. Whether other countries dislike this should not be KSA's worry.