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Donald Trump Blasts F-35 Fighter Jet Program Cost As 'Out Of Control'

Well shit, then we better renegotiate.

But wait lemme ask your dumbass, what do we do if the J-31 never enters serial production or the project is cancelled?
you live in your shit land, there is no chance to get F-35, US tilting in the Favor of india, and Indian Navy considering F-35 also and get lost from hare with your shitty posts, DENY and RENEGOTIATE what a fool you are kid :lol::rofl: why you are asuuming that J-31 will not enter production or cancelled just in your shitty thought:p:
 
you live in your shit land, there is no chance to get F-35, US tilting in the Favor of india, and Indian Navy considering F-35 also and get lost from hare with your shitty posts, DENY and RENEGOTIATE what a fool you are kid :lol::rofl: why you are asuuming that J-31 will not enter production or cancelled just in your shitty thought:p:
I don't understand half of your posts because of your shitty grammar but I can address the last point, The J-31 has no government funding or orders from the PRC.
 
I don't understand half of your posts because of your shitty grammar but I can address the last point, The J-31 has no government funding or orders from the PRC.
you didn't accept the fact that "we can't get F-35 at all" "US is titling in favor of india" go live in your shit land this my last post you brain fart:hitwall::devil:
 
Well shit, then we better renegotiate.

But wait lemme ask your dumbass, what do we do if the J-31 never enters serial production or the project is cancelled?

The J-31 won't enter serial production unless a customer (Chinese or otherwise) agrees to purchase it and pay for a portion of the developmental costs. The advantage is that the customer would now have a say in the sales & export of the aircraft and also reap the benefits of any further aircraft exports (think of the JF-17).
 
From a discussion I had with a good friend of mine on the topic:

Trump is a businessman. He understands things like depreciation and life-cycle costings. He's quite intelligent and hides it underneath his exterior bluster. In fact, its a vital part of his business strategy. He goes into a room with everybody underestimating him and says outrageous things hiding the fact that he has a very shrewd understanding of the real issues. Then, when the other side has committed themselves, he hits them with an unsuspectingly thorough understanding of the issues.

So lets make a guess at the real issues as Trump sees them.

1) The US Armed forces are too small and defense funding cuts have decreased their size and power to an unacceptable level

2) The US armed forces have an inventory of equipment that is aging and has been worked very had for the last decade and a half

3) As a result of poor business practices. US procurement is all screwed up and nobody will fix it because too many people have an interest (financial or otherwise) in ensuring it stays screwed up.

Probably a lot more but those three will do for a start.

Now, the great danger in dealing with problem one is that "increasing the force structure" is achieved by running on old equipment. This is an all-pervasive idea that always ends in tears. Old equipment costs a disproportionate amount of money to maintain and all it does is drain the budget of funds for new equipment.

FWIW, anyone who has crewed an old ship knows the effort required to meet our commitments means continuously driving the kids much too hard, actually wearing out the senior sailors and looses us a lot of the mid grade Officers and enlisted the fleet so desperately needs. It is like being forced to eat your seed corn.

So, the effect of solving this problem that way is to make Problem 2 very much worse.

Now, lets look at some present cost top-of-the-line numbers. (These are all FY17 and calculated on the same basis). All of these aircraft are in production.

F-18E/F is $77.3 million
F-15S is $100 million
F-16E is $43 million
F-35A is $76.8 million
F-35B is $105 million
F-35C is $89.1 million

There is no obvious financial gain by going to an F-18 for an Air Force procurement in its present form but there is a production bonus. It would add a second production line for modern fighter aircraft and it would allow the replacement of some of the oldest aircraft in the fleet.

At this point, memories of the A-7 started to surface. Continuing the F-18 production line would also make additional F-18s available to the Navy as a way of helping fill up the holes in the carrier air wings. It may actually be a pretty smart way of getting more modern aircraft into the inventory, replacing the old aircraft and reducing inventory maintenance costs. It may not turn out to be practical but its an idea worth exploring.

As a side thought, its an interesting idea replacing the A-10 fleet with "A-18"s.

As for Problem 2 this is addressed by the above solution. Get the old, worn-out aircraft to the scrap-heap where they belong and replace them with new aircraft. In that sense the apparent unit cost of the new aircraft can be partially recovered by getting rid of old, costly-to-maintain aircraft.

Behind this all is Problem 3 where Trump has definitely looked at the procurement system and cringed. The Air force One issue with Boeing was a shot across their bows. If it really caused distress and megrims at Boeing, excellent. It worked. Now we've seen a shot across Lockheed-Martin's bows with the hope of making them upset and confused. It wouldn't surprise me at all if we soon saw another salvo across OMB and DoDs bows soon.

@Desert Fox @Sarge
 
Stupid people have no idea what will happen if a nuclear war breaks out.
If countries start using nuclear weapons, it will spell end to mankind. The end of the world.
You have absolutely no idea what nuclear radiations can do to human beings.
If you want to see the results of nuclear radiations, just google "Hiroshima Nagasaki radiations" and look at the images.
They are horrifying
 
Stupid people have no idea what will happen if a nuclear war breaks out.
If countries start using nuclear weapons, it will spell end to mankind. The end of the world.
You have absolutely no idea what nuclear radiations can do to human beings.
If you want to see the results of nuclear radiations, just google "Hiroshima Nagasaki radiations" and look at the images.
They are horrifying

Welcome to the forum and very sobering, thoughtful first post!

Back on topic:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-defense-idUSKBN14C1QU

Lockheed CEO tells Trump she will work to drive down cost of F-35


n" style="transform: translate3d(0px, 0px, 0px);">The chief executive of Lockheed Martin Corp told President-elect Donald Trump on Friday that she was committed to driving down the cost of the company's F-35 fighter jet, a day after Trump took aim at the cost of the F-35 in a Twitter post.

CEO Marillyn Hewson said she spoke with Trump on Friday afternoon and assured him that she had heard his message "loud and clear" about reducing the cost of the F-35.

Trump, in a tweet posted late on Thursday, suggested that an older aircraft made by rival aerospace company Boeing Co could offer a cheaper alternative to the F-35.

"Based on the tremendous cost and cost overruns of the Lockheed Martin F-35, I have asked Boeing to price-out a comparable F-18 Super Hornet!" Trump said.

Hewson, in a statement posted on Twitter, said she had had "a very good conversation" with Trump on Friday.

"I gave him my personal commitment to drive the cost down aggressively," she said in the statement.

Lockheed shares closed down 1.3 percent on Friday, nearing their lowest levels since the Nov. 8 election. They were the biggest drag on a basket of defense-related stocks. Boeing's stock ended near the unchanged mark.

Trump had met with the chief executives of both Lockheed and Boeing on Wednesday.

Boeing's F-18 is an older generation aircraft that lacks the stealth capabilities of the F-35.

One U.S. official said it was impossible to tell what Trump meant by his tweet, given the importance of stealth technology as a way to counter advanced defenses of near-peer states, like Russia or China.

"Somebody needs to ask Donald Trump how he's going to be able to confront China without aircraft capable of penetrating anti-access and area denial systems, including air defenses," the official said.

Most defense analysts do not consider the two jets as comparable aircraft.

"Impractical if not irrational," Richard Safran, a defense analyst at Buckingham Research, said by email. "First, the F/A-18 is a carrier-based naval fighter. Certainly it could not meet the U.S. Marine Corps need for vertical lift. It would not be suitable for the Air Force either - the extra weight of a carrier fighter makes it less than ideal for the Air Force."

"Unless the rules of physics have changed, you cannot make a non-stealthy, two-engined, carrier-based aircraft from the 1980s into a single-engine, multi-role stealthy fighter from the 2000s," Vertical Research Partners analysts wrote in a note on Friday.

Still, Trump's dissatisfaction with the program, which has been dogged by problems while costs have escalated to an estimated $379 billion, is a clear risk for Lockheed. The F-35 program is a critical sales generator for the company, accounting for 20 percent of last year's total revenue of $46.1 billion.

The Pentagon did not respond to a request for comment on Thursday.

Boeing spokesman Todd Blecher said on Thursday in an email that the company was committed to providing the capability and affordability to meet national security needs.

On Wednesday, Trump met the CEOs of Lockheed and Boeing at his resort in Palm Beach, Florida. Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg told reporters there that he had guaranteed costs would not get out of control for a replacement to Air Force One, the presidential plane, another project Trump calls too expensive.

Trump told reporters he wanted to cut the F-35 program's costs.

Trump's jockeying for leverage via his Twitter account is likely to be a hurdle for all U.S. defense contractors, Roman Schweizer, aerospace and defense analyst at Cowen & Co, wrote in a client note on Thursday.

Trump unleashed his tirade about the hefty cost for U.S. aircraft earlier this month, first lashing out at Boeing over the cost of replacement Air Force One presidential planes and days later at Lockheed over the F-35.

Since Trump's first tweet about Air Force One on Dec. 6, Lockheed shares have slumped around 6.4 percent, costing its shareholders collectively about $5 billion in lost market value.

"We have no idea how this plays out but believe 'Twitter risk' for defense companies could be a significant issue over the next four years," Cowen's Schweizer wrote. "This is Lockheed Martin's time in the barrel."



(Reporting by Phil Stewart and Eric Beech in Washington, Joe White in Detroit, Jeffrey Dastin in Los Angeles, and Andrea Shalal in Berlin; Writing by Dan Burns; Editing by Chizu Nomiyama and Leslie Adler)
 
Trump is a businessman. He understands things like depreciation and life-cycle costings. He's quite intelligent and hides it underneath his exterior bluster. In fact, its a vital part of his business strategy. He goes into a room with everybody underestimating him and says outrageous things hiding the fact that he has a very shrewd understanding of the real issues. Then, when the other side has committed themselves, he hits them with an unsuspectingly thorough understanding of the issues.
He sets the bar with those seemingly outrageous statements, it's a negotiation tactic to throw everyone off kilter, he'll then gauge their response and take it forward. That's exactly what he did with the muslim ban comment:

1.timed it perfectly (in the wake of the San Bernardino attack when emotions were running high, it was also months before the first vote was cast in the primaries)

2. gradually walked it back to something a bit more palatable and reasonable (extreme vetting/background checks)

This is also what he's been doing with the Russia/Putin sweet talk, now that he's in, the onus is almost entirely on Russia to reciprocate, ball's in their court now, and that they'll have to actually do something in the real world as opposed to Trump's rhetoric, which was just words. Clever guy.
 

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