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China is more than capable of defeating India in potential military conflict with its advanced weapons and air bases, analysts said on Wednesday.

According to a Reuters report on Wednesday, a source in New Delhi, who had been briefed on the military situation on the border, said soldiers foiled a bid by a group of Chinese troops to enter Indian territory in Ladakh, near Pangong Lake. Some of the Chinese soldiers carried iron rods and stones, and troops on both sides suffered minor injuries in the melee.

Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying on Wednesday did not directly answer a question on whether the friction in Ladakh is connected to the Doklam standoff. She reaffirmed China's position that the withdrawal of the Indian troops in Doklam is the precondition to solving the problem.

"This means that even when India withdraws its troops from the Doklam Plateau, China will not let the matter drop, because withdrawal is just the precondition, not the solution. China will still make India pay for its offensive and provocative behavior even if India withdraws its troops as China requests," Ye Hailin, director of the National Institute of International Strategy, Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, told the Global Times.


"We don't want the upcoming BRICS summit to be disrupted. The BRICS summit should be focused on cooperation between rising economies, not an emergency multilateral meeting for conflict mediation. If India keeps its troops in Chinese territory, China's foreign and defense ministries are very likely to release an ultimatum before September," Xu Guangyu, a retired rear admiral and senior adviser to the China Arms Control and Disarmament Association, told the Global Times.

"The ultimatum will clearly tell India and the world that China will give a certain number of days to India to withdraw its troops. After the deadline, if Indian troops still remain within China's territory, India will be responsible for all the consequences. China has multiple ways of pushing India back to its own soil if India ignores the ultimatum, as a few dozen military personnel and one bulldozer [in Doklam] is a piece of cake for the Chinese military," Xu said.

China should prepare for the possibility of escalation, because Indian troops will resist, and if there is bloodshed, China needs to be fully prepared for military conflict. The People's Liberation Army (PLA) is more than capable of dealing with any escalation, Xu further said.

Military preparation

In general, the quality of Chinese weapons and military personnel is overwhelmingly better than India's, and though India has purchased some US and Russian-made weapons in recent years, the PLA's advantage remains the same, said Song Zhongping, a military expert who served in the PLA Rocket Force.

Air forces, helicopters, long-range attack weapons and light armored vehicles are very important for combat in mountainous and plateau regions. In the air, China's J-10C and J-11 fighter jets, H-6K bombers, Z-10 attack helicopters and other types of transport helicopters, no matter the quality or quantity, are all better than India's, Song said.

China's long-range rocket artillery is not only better than India's, but is the best in the world. The rocket boasts a terminal guidance function, which means it can search for its target before it strikes. Although one rocket costs 700,000 yuan ($104,555), it's still cheaper than a guided missile, and it has a range of more than 105 kilometers. With this kind of weaponry, the geographic barriers of mountains and plateaus are not an obstacle for the PLA to destroy its enemy, Song said.

India might think that the Chinese air force doesn't have enough air bases in the Tibet Autonomous Region, but they are seriously mistaken, Xu said. According to open information, China has at least five large airports in Tibet, and the furthest one from Doklam is only 1,000 kilometers away. The combat radius of J-10C and J-11 planes is more than 1,200 kilometers, so the Indian military had better abandon their illusions, he stressed.

In Tibet, civilian airports can also be used for military aircraft.

Many hospitals in different provinces are controlling the use of blood, and according to a reliable anonymous source from a hospital in Changsha, capital of Hunan Province, the blood bank has been relocated by the PLA and the local government is organizing a blood drive to replenish supplies.

The same is also true of some other top hospitals in Hubei Province, and Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region, according to multiple sources from these regions.

The stocks of blood were transferred before the Jiuzhaigou earthquake in Sichuan Province on August 8, and they are likely to be transferred to Tibet, the source told the Global Times.


http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1061696.shtml



These complete and utter fools, they really are talking themselves into a conflict. At every opportunity they have chosen to escalate rather than look for a peaceful resolution and now they are saying that even if India withdraws unilateraly that the PLA will "punish" India anyway? They are not creating a win-win opportunity, I thought the Chinese were meant to be smart?

I can't tell if the people running this in China are complete morons or so entirely consumed by their own propoganda that they really are this out of touch.

They also can't keep their story straight, one moment they claim India has deployed 100s of troops to the area now they are saying there are just a "few dozen troops and a bulldozer".

Alas, with each passing day these clowns humiliate themselves more and more.
 
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This is excellent news for Pakistan, as a friend of China we are ever ready to hurt india for our own reasons but China has more reason then ever to ensure Pakistan has everything it needs to stab at indias heart
 
This is excellent news for Pakistan, as a friend of China we are ever ready to hurt india for our own reasons but China has more reason then ever to ensure Pakistan has everything it needs to stab at indias heart
Wishful thinking..... No one will waste even a bullet for his allys in today's world....
 
Wishful thinking..... No one will waste even a bullet for his allys in today's world....

Think about it like this, we hate you more then China. We wouldn't be wasting bullets for China but for us, but if we cab help our ally all the better.

China has always helped us but their are always limits, india has just given China more reason to push thise limits ever forward to give Pakistan greater access to what it wants

This will reveal itself over the coming months and years
 
China is more than capable of defeating India in potential military conflict with its advanced weapons and air bases, analysts said on Wednesday.

According to a Reuters report on Wednesday, a source in New Delhi, who had been briefed on the military situation on the border, said soldiers foiled a bid by a group of Chinese troops to enter Indian territory in Ladakh, near Pangong Lake. Some of the Chinese soldiers carried iron rods and stones, and troops on both sides suffered minor injuries in the melee.

Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying on Wednesday did not directly answer a question on whether the friction in Ladakh is connected to the Doklam standoff. She reaffirmed China's position that the withdrawal of the Indian troops in Doklam is the precondition to solving the problem.

"This means that even when India withdraws its troops from the Doklam Plateau, China will not let the matter drop, because withdrawal is just the precondition, not the solution. China will still make India pay for its offensive and provocative behavior even if India withdraws its troops as China requests," Ye Hailin, director of the National Institute of International Strategy, Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, told the Global Times.


"We don't want the upcoming BRICS summit to be disrupted. The BRICS summit should be focused on cooperation between rising economies, not an emergency multilateral meeting for conflict mediation. If India keeps its troops in Chinese territory, China's foreign and defense ministries are very likely to release an ultimatum before September," Xu Guangyu, a retired rear admiral and senior adviser to the China Arms Control and Disarmament Association, told the Global Times.

"The ultimatum will clearly tell India and the world that China will give a certain number of days to India to withdraw its troops. After the deadline, if Indian troops still remain within China's territory, India will be responsible for all the consequences. China has multiple ways of pushing India back to its own soil if India ignores the ultimatum, as a few dozen military personnel and one bulldozer [in Doklam] is a piece of cake for the Chinese military," Xu said.

China should prepare for the possibility of escalation, because Indian troops will resist, and if there is bloodshed, China needs to be fully prepared for military conflict. The People's Liberation Army (PLA) is more than capable of dealing with any escalation, Xu further said.

Military preparation

In general, the quality of Chinese weapons and military personnel is overwhelmingly better than India's, and though India has purchased some US and Russian-made weapons in recent years, the PLA's advantage remains the same, said Song Zhongping, a military expert who served in the PLA Rocket Force.

Air forces, helicopters, long-range attack weapons and light armored vehicles are very important for combat in mountainous and plateau regions. In the air, China's J-10C and J-11 fighter jets, H-6K bombers, Z-10 attack helicopters and other types of transport helicopters, no matter the quality or quantity, are all better than India's, Song said.

China's long-range rocket artillery is not only better than India's, but is the best in the world. The rocket boasts a terminal guidance function, which means it can search for its target before it strikes. Although one rocket costs 700,000 yuan ($104,555), it's still cheaper than a guided missile, and it has a range of more than 105 kilometers. With this kind of weaponry, the geographic barriers of mountains and plateaus are not an obstacle for the PLA to destroy its enemy, Song said.

India might think that the Chinese air force doesn't have enough air bases in the Tibet Autonomous Region, but they are seriously mistaken, Xu said. According to open information, China has at least five large airports in Tibet, and the furthest one from Doklam is only 1,000 kilometers away. The combat radius of J-10C and J-11 planes is more than 1,200 kilometers, so the Indian military had better abandon their illusions, he stressed.

In Tibet, civilian airports can also be used for military aircraft.

Many hospitals in different provinces are controlling the use of blood, and according to a reliable anonymous source from a hospital in Changsha, capital of Hunan Province, the blood bank has been relocated by the PLA and the local government is organizing a blood drive to replenish supplies.

The same is also true of some other top hospitals in Hubei Province, and Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region, according to multiple sources from these regions.

The stocks of blood were transferred before the Jiuzhaigou earthquake in Sichuan Province on August 8, and they are likely to be transferred to Tibet, the source told the Global Times.


http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1061696.shtml



These complete and utter fools, they really are talking themselves into a conflict. At every opportunity they have chosen to escalate rather than look for a peaceful resolution and now they are saying that even if India withdraws unilateraly that the PLA will "punish" India anyway? They are not creating a win-win opportunity, I thought the Chinese were meant to be smart?

I can't tell if the people running this in China are complete morons or so entirely consumed by their own propoganda that they really are this out of touch.

They also can't keep their story straight, one moment they claim India has deployed 100s of troops to the area now they are saying there are just a "few dozen troops and a bulldozer".

Alas, with each passing day these clowns humiliate themselves more and more.


Looking at the trend don't be surprised if the next Chinese article would on the lines of 1 Chinese = 20 Indians theory and hence India should back off
 
China is more than capable of defeating India in potential military conflict with its advanced weapons and air bases, analysts said on Wednesday.

According to a Reuters report on Wednesday, a source in New Delhi, who had been briefed on the military situation on the border, said soldiers foiled a bid by a group of Chinese troops to enter Indian territory in Ladakh, near Pangong Lake. Some of the Chinese soldiers carried iron rods and stones, and troops on both sides suffered minor injuries in the melee.

Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying on Wednesday did not directly answer a question on whether the friction in Ladakh is connected to the Doklam standoff. She reaffirmed China's position that the withdrawal of the Indian troops in Doklam is the precondition to solving the problem.

"This means that even when India withdraws its troops from the Doklam Plateau, China will not let the matter drop, because withdrawal is just the precondition, not the solution. China will still make India pay for its offensive and provocative behavior even if India withdraws its troops as China requests," Ye Hailin, director of the National Institute of International Strategy, Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, told the Global Times.


"We don't want the upcoming BRICS summit to be disrupted. The BRICS summit should be focused on cooperation between rising economies, not an emergency multilateral meeting for conflict mediation. If India keeps its troops in Chinese territory, China's foreign and defense ministries are very likely to release an ultimatum before September," Xu Guangyu, a retired rear admiral and senior adviser to the China Arms Control and Disarmament Association, told the Global Times.

"The ultimatum will clearly tell India and the world that China will give a certain number of days to India to withdraw its troops. After the deadline, if Indian troops still remain within China's territory, India will be responsible for all the consequences. China has multiple ways of pushing India back to its own soil if India ignores the ultimatum, as a few dozen military personnel and one bulldozer [in Doklam] is a piece of cake for the Chinese military," Xu said.

China should prepare for the possibility of escalation, because Indian troops will resist, and if there is bloodshed, China needs to be fully prepared for military conflict. The People's Liberation Army (PLA) is more than capable of dealing with any escalation, Xu further said.

Military preparation

In general, the quality of Chinese weapons and military personnel is overwhelmingly better than India's, and though India has purchased some US and Russian-made weapons in recent years, the PLA's advantage remains the same, said Song Zhongping, a military expert who served in the PLA Rocket Force.

Air forces, helicopters, long-range attack weapons and light armored vehicles are very important for combat in mountainous and plateau regions. In the air, China's J-10C and J-11 fighter jets, H-6K bombers, Z-10 attack helicopters and other types of transport helicopters, no matter the quality or quantity, are all better than India's, Song said.

China's long-range rocket artillery is not only better than India's, but is the best in the world. The rocket boasts a terminal guidance function, which means it can search for its target before it strikes. Although one rocket costs 700,000 yuan ($104,555), it's still cheaper than a guided missile, and it has a range of more than 105 kilometers. With this kind of weaponry, the geographic barriers of mountains and plateaus are not an obstacle for the PLA to destroy its enemy, Song said.

India might think that the Chinese air force doesn't have enough air bases in the Tibet Autonomous Region, but they are seriously mistaken, Xu said. According to open information, China has at least five large airports in Tibet, and the furthest one from Doklam is only 1,000 kilometers away. The combat radius of J-10C and J-11 planes is more than 1,200 kilometers, so the Indian military had better abandon their illusions, he stressed.

In Tibet, civilian airports can also be used for military aircraft.

Many hospitals in different provinces are controlling the use of blood, and according to a reliable anonymous source from a hospital in Changsha, capital of Hunan Province, the blood bank has been relocated by the PLA and the local government is organizing a blood drive to replenish supplies.

The same is also true of some other top hospitals in Hubei Province, and Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region, according to multiple sources from these regions.

The stocks of blood were transferred before the Jiuzhaigou earthquake in Sichuan Province on August 8, and they are likely to be transferred to Tibet, the source told the Global Times.


http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1061696.shtml



These complete and utter fools, they really are talking themselves into a conflict. At every opportunity they have chosen to escalate rather than look for a peaceful resolution and now they are saying that even if India withdraws unilateraly that the PLA will "punish" India anyway? They are not creating a win-win opportunity, I thought the Chinese were meant to be smart?

I can't tell if the people running this in China are complete morons or so entirely consumed by their own propoganda that they really are this out of touch.

They also can't keep their story straight, one moment they claim India has deployed 100s of troops to the area now they are saying there are just a "few dozen troops and a bulldozer".

Alas, with each passing day these clowns humiliate themselves more and more.

We need to come out of our romanticizing the great Chinese policy the reality is Chinese have done many mistakes too . The Chinese were able to maintain an upper hand with India for so long because we are ruled by the likes of Gandhi's and Nehru not by Patel/Modi . Now that we got someone who can outsmart Chinese with his out of the box thinking we are getting the real picture of the actual Chinese policy .


Those enamoured of China — there are many in the West and more numerous in India than is warranted by years of China’s adversarial policies towards us — and have romantic notions about it wrongly believe that as a country it is almost infallible in policy-making because it calculates and plans carefully in a longer-term perspective. In reality, China has made horrible mistakes internally and externally.

The Great Leap Forward cost millions of lives and the Cultural Revolution has proved an absurdity in view of the rampant capitalism in China today, the brutal exploitation of its peasantry to achieve break-neck economic growth and Xi Jinping’s promotion of Confucian values (and other sources of Chinese culture) as embodying “the spiritual experiences, rational thinking and cultural achievements — that have nourished the flourishing Chinese nation”.

Externally, China has alienated virtually all its neighbours and, with the breakdown of its ties with North Korea, has no friend except a semirogue state like Pakistan. China’s provocation in Doklam is another mistake. Whether it steps back or raises the ante, it will lose.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/60094012.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst
 
Think about it like this, we hate you more then China. We wouldn't be wasting bullets for China but for us, but if we cab help our ally all the better.

China has always helped us but their are always limits, india has just given China more reason to push thise limits ever forward to give Pakistan greater access to what it wants

This will reveal itself over the coming months and years

Excellent. Let it all out.

We recently send five of your sweethearts to hell while they bleated like dying little lambs, throwing away their AK-47s and other weapons and pleading.

More soon to be dispatched to hell.

Keep dancing in China's shadows for all we care.

In fact, nothing would please us more than you guys getting deeper into public debt with the Chinese. They already overwhelming dominance as the single largest lender to Sri Lanka. Soon you will overtake the Lankans with the completion of CPEC. Sri Lanka has a stable economy, excellent interior security and has friendly relations with all; characteristics of a nation which can afford to diversify its investments and credit borrowing portfolio.

What would you have to offer once your traders have to shut shops when they are out of work due to mass influx of Chinese factory made goods? You will become an economic colony for China. Doesn't make any difference to us.

Happy re-colonisation.
 
then why is India there on Bhutan's half????

Because our treaty with them, BINDS us to do it whenever they ask for help. Also, our security is directly connected to this situation.

We are not involving ourselves on behalf of Chile or Ecuador; Bhutan is just next to us and at the same geographic location as my home state.
 
China just wants us to be engaged on other side of the border.
 
This is excellent news for Pakistan, as a friend of China we are ever ready to hurt india for our own reasons but China has more reason then ever to ensure Pakistan has everything it needs to stab at indias heart

where will India and China play their hate game, Near the border of India and Pakistan. Not in Himalayas.

Ants will be crushed if two elephants fight. No two big powers fought directly, they fight in other territory.

It is foolish to think Pakistan will gain because of India and China rivalry. That too when CPEC is being built.
 
Only a preemptive decapitation strike on Modi with megaton yield will achieve our goals.
 

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