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Read my post again sunshine and along it the history of Pak-China relationship. We were with them when the rest of world turned their backs on them. It's a partnership based on mutual respect.
Mutual respect,you where with then when rest of the world turned their back to them but when you needed them they where no where to be seen be it 71 or 99 .
Give it 6-7 years when your CPEC dsnt give the results as you expect ,you can talk the same bs then.
 
BS!
Pakistan can't do a sh*t about India, it either needs China or US to control India all the time. What are you alone? whats your aukaad?
ghanta bc...



Its between India and China and Pakistan must stay away, Pakistan should know this.
Looks like you don't know what forum you are on :pakistan:
 
Looks like you don't know what forum you are on :pakistan:

I know that's why I told you.
by the way the drama is ti justify a defence pact with <pak and show india as aggressor.

it's gonna be over soon. because if not.. cpec is gone.obor is gone.
n south asia will suffer
 
I know that's why I told you.
by the way the drama is ti justify a defence pact with <pak and show india as aggressor.

it's gonna be over soon. because if not.. cpec is gone.obor is gone.
n south asia will suffer
You are in no position to tell anyone anything all it takes is a mouse click to get rid of indian trolls:lol:
Who's gonna make south asia suffer you? :rofl: Please don't make me laugh.
 
Till now .. all Chinese on this forum and internet in general have done is to rant and rant.. lets see if they ave anything substantial to talk about .. like may be the day and date when they will begin attack on India.
They are facing face saving issues. On one hand India is mocking their empty warnings and on other hand old Chinese army is unfit for any war. Their hollow boasting is radiculled all over the world. Now what can they do? Just more bragging on forums and media.
 
Lol indians didn't do much the bengalis did. indians took advantage of a situation because they know they can't beat Pakistan alone. Like in previous wars despite having numerical advantage over Pakistan. If you could beat Pakistan then you would have attacked already instead of talking.
Finally China Pakistan and BD will fight to counter India's bully.

They are facing face saving issues. On one hand India is mocking their empty warnings and on other hand old Chinese army is unfit for any war. Their hollow boasting is radiculled all over the world. Now what can they do? Just more bragging on forums and media.
Who do you think you are? Supa Powa.

As long as China and India had full-fledged war, PLA can nail you with one hand. Not to mention Pakistan at the west flank. If Sheik Hasina Step down, who will know what is coming from Klaeda Zia.

Muslim in India will rise and fight against Barahtis bully, and same with the rebellion in the North East. India will spit into few parts. China will take the south Tibet and Sikkim, Pakistan will get back the entire Kashmir and Bd will have West Bengal.

Tamil will get independence.

Muslim in India won't shoot a bullet to China.

Time to break India. And we will hang Modi even he try to hide.

PLA is mobilizing its infantry, and ready for the trigger.

Victory belongs to China!
 
Finally China Pakistan and BD will fight to counter India's bully.


Who do you think you are? Supa Powa.

As long as China and India had full-fledged war, PLA can nail you with one hand. Not to mention Pakistan at the west flank. If Sheik Hasina Step down, who will know what is coming from Klaeda Zia.

Muslim in India will rise and fight against Barahtis bully, and same with the rebellion in the North East. India will spit into few parts. China will take the south Tibet and Sikkim, Pakistan will get back the entire Kashmir and Bd will have West Bengal.

Tamil will get independence.

Muslim in India won't shoot a bullet to China.

Time to break India. And we will hang Modi even he try to hide.

PLA is mobilizing its infantry, and ready for the trigger.

Victory belongs to China!

Are you done rambling and jerking off to yourself?If you are try answering the points below.I have still not recieved point by point answer to any of the points by any chinese posters.

Logistics -

We already have 200K + troops in the northeast deployed(3 mountain divisions in sikkim,3 in arunachal ,3 in nagaland ,1 in ladakh with 1 more Inf div earmarked for mt warfare in reserve in ladkah) .Your infrastructure advantage will allow you to mobilize more quickly in peacetime,but is useless in wartime.You have 3 main road links into Tibet through the mountains and tunnels.All 3 will be gone day 1.Then how will you supply your troops?Your army needs food,ammo and diesel and tibet is a barren area.You will starve,the more troops you have to feed and supply ,more helpless you will be.We are fighting on our home bases in Sikkim and Arunachal,while you are thousands of miles away from your core.Also understand its not enough to just bring in troops fast from the hinterland,unless they are acclimatized to mountain conditions they will fall sick.You have 3 acclimatized brigades in tibet,we have 10 mountain divisions dug in who live there permanently.
Moreover your airlift capacity is very weak unlike USAF and most of heavy lift transports like IL-76 can't operate effectively in high altitude Tibet,while our airlift ability is also modest,C-17s can operate anywhere ,even on flat stretches of ground.

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Terrain -
Just look at the above pictures and try to understand the terrain.We have the high ground.Our forces are dug in on the heights overlooking yours.In mountainous terrain military wisdom has it you need a 8-9 :1 advantage in numbers against a defender.We found this to be true in Kargil.In 1962 you achieved this ratio and were able to get surprise.You have none of these now.Our artillery overlooks your positions and are sited on the reverse slope,thus largely invulnerable to counter battery fire.We pounded the chinese at Nathu la in 1967 precisely because of this .

The only area china can actually use its armour and artillery effectively is Ladakh region which more flat.Though we have deployed 3 tank brigades in this region recently due to this fear,i concede this is the one region where china could do some damage.The same logic doesn't apply to our mountain fortresses in sikkim and arunachal.Our forces are dug in,and you can't even use heavy vehicles in any quantity there.Even old ATGMs which we have in thousands are enough for light tanks,our best ATGMs can be reserved for Ladakh and Pakistan rajasthan/punjab plains area.
Moreover your tanks with air-cooled diesel engines won't work on tibet plateau due to altitude.

Our trump card in AT capability if the need arises of course will be - the CBU-105 cluster munition bomb.One good bomb run = one dead enemy tank regiment.Once we get the soon to arrive apaches with 16 hellfires it will seal the deal.

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Troop quality -
We have 11 dedicated mountain divisions,almost all created after 1962 and trained in the High altitude infantry school,one of the best in the world where USA,UK,Israeli,German and Russian forces too have taken training.We have fought in Kargil,live in Siachen and conduct daily ops in such conditions.Many of our mountain units are composed of natural mountain fighters from these areas like garhwal,gurkha,dogra,tibetan forces.Moreover you will also have to deal with Tibetan commandos who know the terrain like the back of their hand,hate you with a passion and will wreak havoc on your forces and supply lines.In 1962 you had the veterans of korea,ww2 and the civil war.Now we have the veterans.

Airforce -
First of all you can only employ 30-40% of your airforce at most from the bases at Tibet and chengdu ,and they will be congested.
2nd ,all your main fighters ,except perhaps the J-11D lack OBOGs and will fly handicapped with limited sortie time,endurance,payload and performance.All our main fighters Su-30MKI,mirage-2000 and Mig-29s have OBOGs and will outclass yours.
3rd,our pilots have more flight hours than yours,especially the sukhoi pilots.Train with far more top quality airforces and have actual experience of high altitude aerial warfare in Kargil.
4rth,we have access to far better aerial reconaissance capability in the form of the Israeli Reccelite SAR pod on our sukhois which is used worldwide and unmatched by any equivalent except US products like DB-110.
5th,your jets will be taking off from the flat tibet plateau with little terrain cover and thus easily visible on our frontier radar systems.Our jets can operate from the hinterland behind mountainous cover and thus use terrain masking to effectively surprise your forces.We can also flank you from our airbases in Kashmir and Uttarakhand/himachal.
6th,we can operate on our side under the cover of our best AWACS -the phalcon.Whereas your jet KJ-2000 awacs can't operate at all from tibetan airbases due to altitude limitations.That is why you have had to substitute it with propeller driven ZDK-03 in tibet.Not only is it less capable than phalcon in electronic capability,its also based on a joke 1950s design propeller plane which will be a sitting duck in a high threat conventional environment.

Navy -
Your weakest link.If war starts India can sink your oil tankers with impunity in the IOR.You will survive with your internal strategic reserves,but your export economy will crash.You have a debt-GDP ratio of 260% the highest in the world matching the USA.Your economy will collapse.What can China do to intervene in IOR?Very little atm .

Your casino carrier joke breaks down in exercises and hardly goes out to sea,if that and any of your surface ships show up IN can easily sink the flotilla with a three pronged attack from underwater,land based aircraft and missiles ,and our own surface ships with brahmos and klub.Andaman ,our unsinkable carrier will be the lynchpin of such a defense.Before you bring in your ASBM theory,not only will you have no way to identify and track moving Indian ships in the IOR like you can in SCS (with land based radars and aircraft)except satellites(which can only do limited surveillence,otherwise there would be no need for surveillence aircraft). Furthermore this ASBM u people talk about has never ever been tested except on a static target in the gobi target lol.If you were going to talk about a wonder weapon,you will have to do better than that.

Coming to submarines.Your few SSNs are extremely noisy and are routinely picked up by us.We have a data sharing arrangement with the USA on movement of chinese submarines in IOR to boost this further.On to your vast SSK fleet,Song class is hopelessly obsolete.Kilos and Song class do not have AIP and thus can't operate in faraway IOR as they would have to surface regularly to recharge batteries and be sitting ducks.That leaves 15 odd Yuan class submarines.These are both quiet and have AIP,but would be at the end of endurance to operate in IOR.It would thus be a one way trip for them.Unlike in peaceful patrols when they could replenish themselves at neutral ports and move at periscope depth in international waters when necessary,they will have to operate in hostile endurance with not enough endurance to make it back to china unless they could dock in a friendly port -Sri lanka and Bangladesh won't allow you as that will bring down indian assault and will stay neutral.If only you could go around the entire indian peninsula and somehow reach pakistan you can survive,you will have to do that in the teeth of the entire IN and move in front of its bases of both western and eastern commands.In any case you will be more busy reaching pakistan to survive than spending time in active patrolling.Without a real string of pearls on the ground with naval bases in bangladesh and sri lanka(and we checkmated you on both occasions) to help replenish your submarines they are thus toothless.Our latest P-8I and ATLAS sonars on our ships will be eagerly waiting.

So our army are perfectly ready to take on ur rookies,and geography is with us.Your PLA knows this,and thus only barks ,if it could bite it would have done so quietly and quickly using deception .
 
Seems you jerk off too. The sortie rate of your Mighty MKI is less than 60%. If you fire missles targeting our highway in Tibet, I can guarantee you all of your frontline airfield will be blasted to smithering within minutes.

And you guys don't have stealthy fighter jets.:china::partay:

We won't mobilize our CBG to IOR, cause it's not necessary. We own you in land and in the air, that's enough.

200 thousands is not that much, you know CPC mobilized 2.5 millions PLA in the inner war against Chiang Kai Shek. We decide the scale of the conflict, not you. Only 200 thousands troops with empty stomach want to scare China:rofl:

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Look at these skinny bones.

WTF?
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Seems you jerk off too. The sortie rate of your Mighty MKI is less than 60%. If you fire missles targeting our highway in Tibet, I can guarantee you all of your frontline airfield will be blasted to smithering within minutes.

And you guys don't have stealthy fighter jets.:china::partay:

We won't mobilize our CBG to IOR, cause it's not necessary. We own you in land and in the air, that's enough.

200 thousands is not that much, you know CPC mobilized 2.5 millions PLA in the inner war against Chiang Kai Shek. We decide the scale of the conflict, not you. Only 200 thousands troops with empty stomach want to scare China:rofl:

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Look at these skinny bones.

WTF?
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Don't mobilize anything,we will sink your oil tankers at our pleasure and crash your economy which is debt ridden anyway.

MKI service rate currently is 60-65% which is perfectly normal for a twin engine fighter.No plane in peacetime in any airforces have more than 75% rate.Our pilots still have 200-250 hrs a year compared to yours where only your best get 180-200 and normal pilots get140-160.We are more experienced with regular exercises against the best,and actual experience of high altitude combat.You people still use the political comissar system.It is we who OWN you in the air in NE.Your poor airforce is handicapped due to high altitude and lack of OBOGs ,can only concentrate 30-40% of its whole strength due to limited number of bases ,is easy to spot on radar due to flat tibet plateau,will be supported by joke propeller driven zdk-03 .We have superior aerial recce and terrain masking advantage on top of that.

200,000 are just whats immediately on the frontline .Against a defender u need 8-9:1 superiority in mountains.:wave:All of them are hardened mountain specialists.Our soldiers some of the best mountain fighters on the planet with vast experience,and give training to the best including USA,UK,russia,germany etc in this area.These troops are fully acclimatized.You have 3 brigades only acclimatized for mountain combat.Your entire army is green ,has no idea of mountain combat or specialist mountain divisions.Tawang and sikkim are fortresses .You have 3 main roads into tibet.Who will supply your starving army when we blow those up day 1?
We have 1.6 million under arms.Hundreds of thousands of paramilitary.And over 1 million territorial army.Our manpower is inexhaustible if government issues conscription as an emergency measure.

Skinny is actually good in mountain conditions,but ofcourse you know nothing about that.You cherrypick some photos and think thats the IA.Here go to this thread and see for yourself what is the actual Indian army.This is what your green rookies will face.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indian-military-picture-thread.4905/page-642
 
Don't mobilize anything,we will sink your oil tankers at our pleasure and crash your economy which is debt ridden anyway.

MKI service rate currently is 60-65% which is perfectly normal for a twin engine fighter.No plane in peacetime in any airforces have more than 75% rate.Our pilots still have 200-250 hrs a year compared to yours where only your best get 180-200 and normal pilots get140-160.We are more experienced with regular exercises against the best,and actual experience of high altitude combat.You people still use the political comissar system.It is we who OWN you in the air in NE.Your poor airforce is handicapped due to high altitude and lack of OBOGs ,can only concentrate 30-40% of its whole strength due to limited number of bases ,is easy to spot on radar due to flat tibet plateau,will be supported by joke propeller driven zdk-03 .We have superior aerial recce and terrain masking advantage on top of that.

200,000 are just whats immediately on the frontline .Against a defender u need 8-9:1 superiority in mountains.:wave:All of them are hardened mountain specialists.Our soldiers some of the best mountain fighters on the planet with vast experience,and give training to the best including USA,UK,russia,germany etc in this area.These troops are fully acclimatized.You have 3 brigades only acclimatized for mountain combat.Your entire army is green ,has no idea of mountain combat or specialist mountain divisions.Tawang and sikkim are fortresses .You have 3 main roads into tibet.Who will supply your starving army when we blow those up day 1?
We have 1.6 million under arms.Hundreds of thousands of paramilitary.And over 1 million territorial army.Our manpower is inexhaustible if government issues conscription as an emergency measure.

Skinny is actually good in mountain conditions,but ofcourse you know nothing about that.You cherrypick some photos and think thats the IA.Here go to this thread and see for yourself what is the actual Indian army.This is what your green rookies will face.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/indian-military-picture-thread.4905/page-642
We have reached to Gwadar port, so won't worry our sea line.

:azn:

India can't do shit when China and Pakistan work together.:china::pakistan:
 
We have reached to Gwadar port, so won't worry our sea line.

:azn:

India can't do shit when China and Pakistan work together.:china::pakistan:

Lol,thats a lame duck port right now with no real capacity.You have no naval ships worth anything in gwadar,who will protect your tankers coming from the gulf?:lol:
 
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