Does India /Pak need Fleet of Strategic Bombers?

[BetterPakistan]

Better start reading then.

Have read history that is why telling you to read kiddo

Before assessing loss. Please tell me, what you gained in terms of land? Which was the purpose of original war.

What you get from violating ceasefire

 

[Papa Dragon]

farting suits only to dehati aurats like you guys

true that...right on your face

 

[BetterPakistan]

true that...right on your face

Bunch of shit to your face.

 

[seesonic]

It is.

Rs 2,101 crore spent on development of indigenous Kaveri engine: Here's why there's been a delay

NEW DELHI: The government has spent Rs 2,101 crore so far on the development of the indigenous Kaveri Engine, said Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar in a written reply in Rajya Sabha.

The project for development of Kaveri Engine was sanctioned in 1989 with probable date of completion of 1996, which was extended to 2009. Government has further approved its continuation within the cost ceiling.

The aero engine developed by DRDO has not achieved the required thrust to power Light ..


3) Lack of infrastructure/manufacturing/test facilities within the country

4) Non-availability of skilled/technical manpower in the field of aero-engine technology

5) Increase in scope during development

Although there has been delay in development of aero-engine due to reasons stated above, DRDO for the first time ventured to initiate development of aero-engine technology, which only few developed countries in the wor ..


@SOUTHie

 

[Hindustani78]

India did have bomber fleet with Navy (project Black) which was retired last year. Probably Air force too have bomber fleet.

Deployment of Ballistic Missile Shield and on that long range transport planes with refueling and bombing capacity from higher altitude by Indian Armed Forces experts will change the whole war .

Chinese and Russian engineers are working on joint production of military transport planes but that project is having problems because of the engine upgradion problem as well as speed of the new transport plane and over all the satellite navigation are the problem for both Chinese and Russian engineers.

 

[El Sidd]

India needs everything and then a Bit more.

#DoesNotMatter

 

[Hindustani78]

India needs everything and then a Bit more.

#DoesNotMatter

Actually Republic of India does have the stronger foundation with stronger scientific base.

So what matters you ?

 

[El Sidd]

Actually Republic of India does have the stronger foundation with stronger scientific base.

So what matters you ?

Very Alhumdulilah

 

[seesonic]

I am a Kaveri fanboy. But is it done?

T'chaka again.

No bananas for you. I don't have a ton of ZD to buy that.


Yeah, it reminds me of 90k and Bangladesh.

Whats with the rhetoric ?

So is it done?

It is.

It is.

Russia Helping India Complete Kaveri Engine Project: Rosoboronexport
Our Bureau

02:54 PM, August 21, 2017

An Indo-Russian project to modify India’s Kaveri Jet engine (presumably for the Sukhoi-30MKI fighter aircraft) is about to be completed.

“One of the most vivid illustrations (In Indo-Russian scientific partnership) is the KAVERI Indian aircraft engine. We have been involved in its development, modification and trials. The project is about to be over soon,” Alexander Mikheev, Director General of Rosoboronexport said in a statement today.

JSC Rosoboronexport pursues active cooperation with its foreign partners in the field of joint research and development works, the statement said adding that at present, the majority of company’s joint R&D projects are with India and China. The projects focus on cooperation in the field of space, naval, air defense and army equipment, as well as other hi-tech projects.

“At present Rosoboronexport and Russia’s strategic partners are running over 200 R&D projects, whose number increases with every passing year. The growth dynamics continues to be positive. For instance, the number of such projects had not exceeded 100 until 2014”, - Alexander Mikheev, Director General of Rosoboronexport further said in the statement.

Defenseworld.net comment: The information that Russia is collaborating with India on the Kaveri engine is indeed interesting.

The Kaveri engine, developed by the Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE) was originally meant to power India’s home-made fighter jets but the project was put on the back-burner as it failed to meet deadlines.

Some media reports said that India is currently holding talks with the French company, Safran to explore the possibility to develop a 125kN thrust Class engine to replace current 123 kN Thrust Class AL-31FP turbofan engines developed by Salyut-HAL.



Russian companies had also offered India its 142 kN thrust class AL-41F1S turbofan engines used in the Su-35 to replace current AL-31F turbofan engines, various reports said but the response of the Indian side was not known.

@SOUTHie

 

[Zhukov]

India doesn't. Pakistan does.

Targets in China are relatively concentrated and the preferable delivery is via missiles. Pakistan will have a way harder time against targets in India which are very homogenous.

But of course, I wanna see us flying something like the White Swan.

Pakistan and India cannot use strategic bombers against each other. Both countries have concentrated and fairly advanced Anti-Air Defense System over their territories. And they are in close proximity just next to each other sharing massive border. Any Indian or Pakistani bomber will be blasted out of the sky as soon as it reaches near the border unless complete air superiority is achieved by one belligerent which is close to impossible for the same reason of close proximity and concentrated anti air defense systems on almost all the entry points.
Cruise missiles are the best bet when it comes to targeting strategic targets inside enemy territory. And both Indian and Pakistani Attack aircraft are capable of air launched cruise missiles. As well as land based cruise missiles. USA China and Russia have different Sets of threats against each other they can use Strategic bombers. We neighbors cant.

 

[AUz]

Long range cruise missiles with industrial scale production.

Bombers can not operate without air superiority. Neither india nor Pakistan can achieve such air superiority over the other. So bombers would be very vulnerable. Long range cruise missiles would be a better method to target indian assets deep in indian territory.

 

[Hindustani78]

Long range cruise missiles with industrial scale production.

Bombers can not operate without air superiority. Neither india nor Pakistan can achieve such air superiority over the other. So bombers would be very vulnerable. Long range cruise missiles would be a better method to target indian assets deep in indian territory.

Indian Military planners were aware of the enemies capabilities and have already worked on the solutions. Long Range bombers, the enemies of Republic of India have thought to do the damage on the Indian Nation. Joint Russian and Chinese engineers are working on the long range transport planes and have even claimed there is success for them. Indian defense Industries engineers are having the solution how to bring those long range transport planes and that is classified report.

 

[seesonic]

Can India make Fifth Generation fighters? All depends on Kaveri engine's development

India is keen to develop a Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA). Many would say that it is an unrealistic expectation as India took decades to develop first indigenous fighter LCA Tejas which is a single engine, single seat and multi-role fighter. And even for Tejas, India was not able to build its own engine which is the main powerhouse for any Fighter jet.

The main hurdle in developing a Fifth Generation fighter is the engine which should be able to deliver the performance needed for an advanced aircraft. India has long been working on Kaveri engine project and it was actually this engine that was supposed to be fitted in LCA Tejas. However, the Kaveri programme failed to satisfy the necessary technical requirements or keep up with its envisaged timelines and was officially delinked from the Tejas programme in September 2008.


With the Indian Air Force (IAF)'s depleting squadron size, the pressure mounted on the HAL to deliver LCA Tejas early. So the Tejas' which have been inducted into the service so far has the US manufactured General Electric F404-GE-F2J3 afterburning turbofan engine.

The AMCA 5th Generation Stealth Fighter Project:
The AMCA (Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft) is being developed by an aerospace industry team which consist of Aeronautical Development Agency as a design firm and is to be manufactured by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). AMCA would likely to be a single-seat, twin-engine, stealth super-manoeuvrable all-weather multirole fighter aircraft.

AMCA should not be confused be with a separate FGFA programme which is a co-venture between the Russians and HAL, so it is not an indigenous project. The FGFA project with Russia would be able to roll out fifth-generation aircraft by 2020.

AMCA is totally different since it will completely be made by India. But for it to become a reality, the development of Kaveri engine is crucial. DRDO will look to develop many of its 5th generation systems ingenuously, so tentatively it should be ready around 2025. Some say that project may also get delayed up to 2030.


A source close to OneIndia said that projects do not get delayed because HAL lacks expertise. It happens because of numerous other external factors. One of the reasons he said was the inability of political leadership to take a stance whether India wants a defensive approach to deal with the enemies or an offensive one, which he said confuses those in the DRDO. He also said that by the time DRDO/ HAL develops a technology, the requirements of the IAF changes.

Kaveri Engine and expectations from it:
The GTRE GTX-35VS Kaveri, is an afterburning turbofan project developed by the Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE), a lab under the DRDO in Bangalore. The Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) decided to wind up the Kaveri engine (GTX-35VS ) programme in November 2014 due to its shortcomings, a decision that will be finalized by the DAC. The GTRE is now running two separate successor engine programmes, the K9+ phttps://www.oneindia.com/india/can-india-make-fifth-generation-fighters-depends-on-kaveri-engine-s-development-2674151.htmlrogramme and the K10 programme. France has offered to help India revive the unsuccessful Kaveri engine project. An upgraded Kaveri engine with 90 kN thrust compared to the existing 72 kN can be developed with French cooperation which can eventually be used for Tejas which currently uses an American engine.

In theory the AMCA will be powered by a domestically manufactured Kaveri K9 or K10 engine, currently undergoing development by the Gas Turbine Research Establishment. But making powerful and reliable jet engines from scratch is hard. Only after the Kaveri engines are ready, supposedly in 2019, can the serious work on the airframe really begin.

Proposed upgraded Kaveri engine will be a 90kN thrust class engine which will be marginally more powerful than GE supplied F404-GE-IN20 engine which is currently generating 84kN thrust. Ideally for Kaveri engine should be able to deliver 95 Kn thrust.https://www.oneindia.com/india/can-...s-on-kaveri-engine-s-development-2674151.html

Finally, the ADA and HAL will need to produce sufficiently powerful turbofan engines to meet performance specifications. This is further complicated by the need for an S-shaped air intake that will shield the reflective turbofan blades from showing up on the radar, as well as specially designed nozzles to reduce the heat signature of the engines from infrared sensors.

@SOUTHie

 

[jhungary]

Can India make Fifth Generation fighters? All depends on Kaveri engine's development

India is keen to develop a Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA). Many would say that it is an unrealistic expectation as India took decades to develop first indigenous fighter LCA Tejas which is a single engine, single seat and multi-role fighter. And even for Tejas, India was not able to build its own engine which is the main powerhouse for any Fighter jet.

The main hurdle in developing a Fifth Generation fighter is the engine which should be able to deliver the performance needed for an advanced aircraft. India has long been working on Kaveri engine project and it was actually this engine that was supposed to be fitted in LCA Tejas. However, the Kaveri programme failed to satisfy the necessary technical requirements or keep up with its envisaged timelines and was officially delinked from the Tejas programme in September 2008.


With the Indian Air Force (IAF)'s depleting squadron size, the pressure mounted on the HAL to deliver LCA Tejas early. So the Tejas' which have been inducted into the service so far has the US manufactured General Electric F404-GE-F2J3 afterburning turbofan engine.

The AMCA 5th Generation Stealth Fighter Project:
The AMCA (Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft) is being developed by an aerospace industry team which consist of Aeronautical Development Agency as a design firm and is to be manufactured by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). AMCA would likely to be a single-seat, twin-engine, stealth super-manoeuvrable all-weather multirole fighter aircraft.

AMCA should not be confused be with a separate FGFA programme which is a co-venture between the Russians and HAL, so it is not an indigenous project. The FGFA project with Russia would be able to roll out fifth-generation aircraft by 2020.

AMCA is totally different since it will completely be made by India. But for it to become a reality, the development of Kaveri engine is crucial. DRDO will look to develop many of its 5th generation systems ingenuously, so tentatively it should be ready around 2025. Some say that project may also get delayed up to 2030.


A source close to OneIndia said that projects do not get delayed because HAL lacks expertise. It happens because of numerous other external factors. One of the reasons he said was the inability of political leadership to take a stance whether India wants a defensive approach to deal with the enemies or an offensive one, which he said confuses those in the DRDO. He also said that by the time DRDO/ HAL develops a technology, the requirements of the IAF changes.

Kaveri Engine and expectations from it:
The GTRE GTX-35VS Kaveri, is an afterburning turbofan project developed by the Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE), a lab under the DRDO in Bangalore. The Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) decided to wind up the Kaveri engine (GTX-35VS ) programme in November 2014 due to its shortcomings, a decision that will be finalized by the DAC. The GTRE is now running two separate successor engine programmes, the K9+ phttps://www.oneindia.com/india/can-india-make-fifth-generation-fighters-depends-on-kaveri-engine-s-development-2674151.htmlrogramme and the K10 programme. France has offered to help India revive the unsuccessful Kaveri engine project. An upgraded Kaveri engine with 90 kN thrust compared to the existing 72 kN can be developed with French cooperation which can eventually be used for Tejas which currently uses an American engine.

In theory the AMCA will be powered by a domestically manufactured Kaveri K9 or K10 engine, currently undergoing development by the Gas Turbine Research Establishment. But making powerful and reliable jet engines from scratch is hard. Only after the Kaveri engines are ready, supposedly in 2019, can the serious work on the airframe really begin.

Proposed upgraded Kaveri engine will be a 90kN thrust class engine which will be marginally more powerful than GE supplied F404-GE-IN20 engine which is currently generating 84kN thrust. Ideally for Kaveri engine should be able to deliver 95 Kn thrust.https://www.oneindia.com/india/can-...s-on-kaveri-engine-s-development-2674151.html

Finally, the ADA and HAL will need to produce sufficiently powerful turbofan engines to meet performance specifications. This is further complicated by the need for an S-shaped air intake that will shield the reflective turbofan blades from showing up on the radar, as well as specially designed nozzles to reduce the heat signature of the engines from infrared sensors.

@SOUTHie

I am not the one that said "Stop Derailing the Thread" when I responded to your question.

Read this

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/huaw...hy-system-and-4000-mah-battery.550629/page-12

To this day, I still have not hear the response from that. So….

Well, Chicken go Chook LOL.​

 

[seesonic]

I am not the one that said "Stop Derailing the Thread" when I responded to your question.

Read this

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/huaw...hy-system-and-4000-mah-battery.550629/page-12

To this day, I still have not hear the response from that. So….

Well, Chicken go Chook LOL.​

Still no respond since July?

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/nvid...st-single-computer-humanity-has-built.561198/