Does India /Pak need Fleet of Strategic Bombers?

[randomradio]

We have the need for strategic bombers. And we need to develop a lot more weapons that can be deployed from the bombers. But we need fighter aircraft first.

 

[BetterPakistan]

Zero Logic Fanboy alert

History speaks more than idiot logic of yours KIDDO

His logic is on point kid. I know you are young and naive for now and got intense love for your country but don't worry, you will learn a lot on platforms like these.

Just stay away from the trolls and false flaggers and you will grow up to be among some respectable Pakistani members on this forum

Beta Dragon,

I have zip up most of Kiddo Indians like you and I won't mind doing it for you. Go and learn something from history so that indiotic part of your brain stops working and your logical side gets put on gear

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Never considered dehati aurats and won't do it ever

 

[Papa Dragon]

Beta Dragon,

I have zip up most of Kiddo Indians like you and I won't mind doing it for you. Go and learn something from history so that indiotic part of your brain stops working and your logical side gets put on gear

Looks like your maulavi's farts have dumbstruck and blinded you

 

[seesonic]

Zero Logic Fanboy alert

I am a Kaveri fanboy. But is it done?

 

[khanmubashir]

No
Needs multi role stealth planes
Pak is pursuing this iva project azm

While Indian venture with Russia is cancelled

And no further progress of amca

 

[Chhatrapati]

I am a Kaveri fanboy. But is it done?

T'chaka again.

No bananas for you. I don't have a ton of ZD to buy that.

History speaks more than idiot logic of yours KIDDO

Yeah, it reminds me of 90k and Bangladesh.

 

[seesonic]

T'chaka again.

No bananas for you. I don't have a ton of ZD to buy that.


Yeah, it reminds me of 90k and Bangladesh.

Whats with the rhetoric ?

So is it done?

 

[Chhatrapati]

Whats with the rhetoric ?

So is it done?

It is.

 

[Basel]

Bombers are used to bomb enemy’s strategic positions which are far away from air bases. Attack aircrafts can also bomb target, but they are not long range and carry less payload. Thus Bombers are used, as they have long range and also can carry heavy payload. The Defense Ministry’s opinion was that since India’s main rivals Pakistan and China are not far away, so India does not need Long Range Bombers and multirole fighters which are enough for bombing missions.

During earlier times bombers were seen as Strategic Assets by Air Forces but now due to development of Surface-to-Air Missile systems and more powerful Radar Systems , Bombers have moved towards obsolescence. With the development of Ballistic Missile Systems , there has been a little use of bombers now since they have now become prone to countermeasures.

In modern era , the difference between Bombers and Attack Aircraft have blurred and reduced to just Text-Book terms since many Modern Fighter Aircrafts are used to deliver bombs though their role is much different from being “Bomb Trucks”. With the availability of air-to-air refueling their combat range can be extended enough to do deep strike bombing in enemy territory.

India has ability to launch nukes from land and air; soon it will have INS Arihant operational followed by 4 more SSBNs.However India does not have Strategic Bomber/ Long Range Standoff Launcher like US, Russai and China do. (and UK did.)

The role of these Bombers is- travelling over large distances; tiptoeing into the enemy territory; and bombing the shit out of enemy forces. They are stealthy as anything (B-2 Spirit, best example), large (take any of them) and can’t do much to defend against fighter aircraft and SAMs (once detected, they are next to sitting ducks).

Now, coming to why the IAF does not have any bombers. As mentioned above, bombers are suited for heavy bombing over great distances. In our case, we can use the multi role fighter aircraft against our enemies like China and Pakistan. And we have successfully done so in ’71 and Kargil.

Indian Air Force at present has SEPECAT Jaguars in Deep Penetration Strike Roles where it can be used as bombers to drop LGBs ( Laser Guided Bombs ) and Cluster Bombs on Strategic targets. Even Mig-27UPG can be used for similar roles as “Bomb-Trucks” . Mirage 2000 is one of IAF’s option to deliver nuclear bombs inside enemy territory. Su-30MKI uses a lot of specialized weapons like OFAB Bombs and KAB-500/1500 LGBs. The limiting factor for them is the range which can be taken care of by aerial refueling giving them a larger combat radius.

Indian Air Force also uses its AN-32 aircrafts to use as bombers continuing the tradition of its predecessor AN-12 which was used by IAF to bomb Pakistani positions in 1971 War where they did Carpet-Bombing using 500-pounders.

.India doesn’t require Long Range Bombers because our foes are near by. Russia and America use bombers because of the distance between these two foes. The bombers can carry larger payloads to longer distances at slow speed.

Although precision guided cruise/ballastic missiles reduced the requirements of an bomber still there are scenarios where an bomber can be useful.Also if Indian armed forces has to face a big offensice army formation, then bombers are the ultimate solution as they can neutralize a vast area with a single sortie.

In the past Russia offered to sell its bombers but India refused it in wake of its good boy defence policy.

Recently there were some reports which confirm that India wanted to lease backfires which guaranteed supply of spares but Russia insisted on selling.

However the deal has not materialized yet. The Tu-142 is being replaced by the Boeing P-8I Neptune, also an ASW aircraft.

Will a strategic bomber help India? As far as nuclear deterrence goes, matching China’s numbers in strategic bombers and missiles would be an impossible task over the next decade or two. For conventional strategic bombing too, given the territorial vastness of China, the numbers required are mindboggling. However, given the fact that Chinese bombers can reach Indian cities, airports and military installations, the desirability of having strategic bombers capable of holding a similar threat for at least a proportion of Chinese target systems is undebatable.

Question about Whether India needs a strategic bomber. The answer is a definite and loud ‘yes’. India as a nation may want a strategic bomber and the Indian Air Force may need it to be reckoned as an aerospace power of some standing, but can India afford it? The answer, when weighed against the other priorities we have in meeting long-standing military deficiencies, is in the negative.

As for dedicated bombers , India doesn’t operate any for now though it has been developing strategic stealth UAVs like DRDO AURA/Ghatak which can be used for stealthy insertion in enemy territory and striking the enemy with PGMs , LGBs and more. DRDO AURA which will be inducted into service by 2025 according to certain sources.

Both countries are next door to each other so no need for long range bombers, IAF MKI which fills role of medium tactical bomber, also they can have Su-34 if they want dedicated bombers.

PAF is not interested in going deep inside enemy territory as its dangerous in limited resources and standoff munitions can do that for PAF.

India did have bomber fleet with Navy (project Black) which was retired last year. Probably Air force too have bomber fleet.

What happened to Tu-22M3 and Su-34 offer from Russia?

 

[GodToons]

Both countries are next door to each other so no need for long range bombers, IAF MKI which fills role of medium tactical bomber, also they can have Su-34 if they want dedicated bombers.

PAF is not interested in going deep inside enemy territory as its dangerous in limited resources and standoff munitions can do that for PAF.



What happened to Tu-22M3 and Su-34 offer from Russia?

As i mentioned in my earlier post,like Navy bombers were under classified project we only come to know when they were retired.

I have firm belief that Air force too have their share under classified projects.

 

[seesonic]

It is.

Finally! Prove?

 

[Chhatrapati]

Finally! Prove?

Lol! I know, you would want to see it running?

 

[seesonic]

Lol! I know, you would want to see it running?

Rhetoric again

 

[Chhatrapati]

Rhetoric again

No T'chaka. The Engine is working. It was tested some 7 years back. But IAF changed the requirements of Thrust from 70kN to 90's range. So, we had to redesign the core and do not have the technology to build cores that can take 90+ kN ranges. But we are working with suppliers for the tech. We will get there, no worries
By the way is your country still the hyperinflated shithole as it was?
Congrats though

 

[seesonic]

No T'chaka. The Engine is working. It was tested some 7 years back. But IAF changed the requirements of Thrust from 70kN to 90's range. So, we had to redesign the core and do not have the technology to build cores that can take 90+ kN ranges. But we are working with suppliers for the tech. We will get there, no worries
By the way is your country still the hyperinflated shithole as it was?
Congrats though
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So after u try hard beating around the poo, it isnt done