Does God exist?

[Raja.Pakistani]

Does God exist?

I would give an enthusiastic 'yes'. But not necessarily and literally the way some would perceive the existence of a supreme being as a physical being. There has to be someone who is the 'first' cause of all finite things.We can't say that the universe created itself because what we see all around us is the effect and we know that the cause always has to precede the effect. For the universe to create itself it would have had to existed before it caused itself to exist.The cause of the universe must be something that always was, that had no beginning and no need for a cause itself.

Quantum physics is just starting to explore the reality of other dimensions and parallel realms. But still our knowledge of that is even very limited and sparse. But in our limited scientific understanding of the universe, there is lots of room for the existence of a God. Even many hardened skeptical scientists practice some form of worship of a divine being.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Atheism is the belief that God doesn't exist, that everything is happening for a reason and there are no such things as miracles.

You said Atheism is belief just like theism

Everything happened for a reason and no such things as miracles then how did universe/life came into existence out of nowhere without any reason miracle

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

One of my co-worker (he is from Chezch Republic) told me that he was sitting at Airport in some country and he had conversation with one lady....she was arguing that God don't exists because nobody seen him..........and he replied to her......i didn't seen you pus*y but i still beleive it exists..........lolz

wah!!! kya wisdom

quite possibly PDF's post of the day.

 

[desiman]

If there is a God, then who created God ? Who created the God that created God ? The loop is endless, the simple answer is that God does not exist, its a creation by mere Humans to control society with fear.

 

[Lighting_Fighter]

If there is a God, then who created God ? Who created the God that created God ? The loop is endless, the simple answer is that God does not exist, its a creation by mere Humans to control society with fear.

Listen why don't you try my suggestion that I gave you in this thread. Now we and everything that we know have a starting and will have ending. God has neither starting nor ending. The theory that tells God created men does not apply to Allah because Allah can not be same as his creation. Allah is pure and above all his creation. Nothing happens without his notice, not even the moving of a leaf of a tree. God created light and darkness so Allah is above everything and he has no starting or ending.

 

[gambit]

It will never be possible to prove that a Creator exists.

It's not about free choice so much as free will. We are created with the ability to accept or reject God. God does not want mindless drones; he wants followers to examine the evidence, and choose to follow Him freely.

We are creatures created with a freedom to choose, to believe, or not.

My own brother, an atheist, put it succinctly. "If there is an all-powerful God, why does he not simply appear to us and prove it once and for all? Then, I'd worship."

The answer isn't complicated. If a giant face suddenly appeared in the sky, and boomed out "I am God/Allah! I have mighty powers! Worship me!!" And day turns to night, the moon turns purple, and it rains diamonds, or clams; whatever. Every TV station and radio has the same image and voice.

The power is obvious. The existence cannot be denied.

At that point, humanity would be instantly turned into robotic drones and forced to worship, as any rational being on earth could not at that point deny His existence, and would fear his wrath. Only a lunatic would do so, given the evidence.

But God does not want robotic, worshiping drones. He wants us (on our own) to turn from evil, and seek Him with humility and repentence, based upon faith, not force.

I disagree here. In a court of law, we seek COMPELLING evidences, so compelling that we, jury and spectators, are INTERNALLY motivated to sway to one side. Neither 'The State' nor 'The Defense' can no more force anyone to believe than they could to defy gravity. The arguments for the existence of God does not need to be overwhelming, just compelling.

If God gave us free will to believe logical arguments, faith, hallucinogenic induced 'visions', interpretations of golden plates, reading of entrails and castings of bones, and so on...All the things that INFER the existence, then we can be reasonably safe to assume that He will not take that same free will away from us when we are faced with overwhelming, not just compelling, evidences. Everyday we are given overwhelming evidences for many things that we initially have serious doubts, especially in the scientific fronts, from the dubious speculations of atomos of ancient Greeks to the dubious speculations of Higgs bosons of today. Same thing with economics where the human doubts are no less active than in science. It is no longer speculations that the democracy-capitalism model is the superior of all the ideological and economic combinations models we experimented with. The evidences for that superiority became overwhelming, not just merely compelling, as time passed.

God can be worshiped by willful and free thinking people and I believe, or rather faithful, that God would prefer that I keep my free will even when faced with overwhelming evidences of His existence. God does not need the duality of rewards and punishments to keep my allegiance, just rewards or denial of those rewards will do. But then it begs the question of why there are rewards in the first place. If the evidences for God are overwhelming, either by us gathering them over time or by His sudden and dramatic appearance and accompanied by events that defy the physical laws He created, that alone would compel willful and free thinking people to worship him WITHOUT the need for rewards, let alone the threat of punishments.

 

[Lighting_Fighter]

If you try to think Allah or God in the context of collective human knowledge, imagination and experience from the beginning to end, still you will not able to know what Allah is. Allah is our creator. We can not imagine something without starting and ending. But I am not sure but Allah will reveal himself to the lucky ones or muslims in Jannah or heaven. By the way we also don't know or can imagine jannah. By muslims I mean follower of all the messengers and prophets from Adam (A) to Muhammad (S).

 

[gambit]

If you try to think Allah or God in the context of collective human knowledge, imagination and experience from the beginning to end, still you will not able to know what Allah is. Allah is our creator. We can not imagine something without starting and ending. But I am not sure but Allah will reveal himself the lucky ones or muslims in Jannah or heaven. By the way we also don't know or can imagine jannah.

For the current discussion, the godhood, its nature and properties are not in question, God's existence is. There is a difference.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

If there is a God, then who created God ?

If God need creator then he is not God. God by definition is eternal being unlike finite creation

 

[gambit]

If God need creator then he is not God. God by definition is eternal being unlike finite creation

The issue of 'is' touches upon the godhood, its natures and properties, as in 'what is' something. We are wondering the existence of <something>, not what it 'is'.

 

[Lighting_Fighter]

For the current discussion, the godhood, its nature and properties are not in question, God's existence is. There is a difference.

If there is a God, then who created God ? Who created the God that created God ? The loop is endless, the simple answer is that God does not exist, its a creation by mere Humans to control society with fear.

by Desiman

I am answering desiman. He challenged of the creator of god, nauzubillah, and such, that is why I am writing what I wrote. I think you missed this post by the desiman

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

The issue of 'is' touches upon the godhood, its natures and properties, as in 'what is' something. We are wondering the existence of <something>, not what it 'is'.

We need to define " God" first. We should know the attributes of God before asking for evidence of its existence.

 

[harshad]

ask CERN
they are searching for a God particle which they may never find..as God is no particle.
before big bang therecwas nothing.

god particle was actually going to be named goddamn particle but the publishers didnt want to name it that so they named it god particle,it is in no way related to god,it is a particle which give energy some mass hence we are able to see the world around us

 

[gubbi]

We need to define " God" first. We should know the attributes of God before asking for evidence of its existence.

For argument's sake lets say that such attributes exist. But then the onus is on those who claim that such attributes exist and its their responsibility to prove, conclusively, that God exists. As of yet, no one person or group has come up with effective facts/evidences to support their claims of God(s)' existence.

 

[Lighting_Fighter]

sorry for my iqnorance but what is "god particle" I think he meant to say practicle

if nothing was before big bang then what provoked the big bang? When something is nothing, then nothing has zero power to cause big bang. Then who is behind all the dramas?