Documentry : CNN cold war (Soviet Afgan War) The Soldiers Of God

[Zabaniyah]

Dude who are your trying to fool. The brain behind Taliban was ISI, money came from Gulf countries especially KSA and PA officers acted as military advisors..and this was done so that Pakistani generals could realize their long cherished dream of 'Strategic Depth' against India in AF by placing a pro-Pakistan regime in that country.

Perhaps...

The Taliban were part of the Mujaheddin. There technically was no Taliban (the organization) before the Soviets left. It was after the Soviets left that civil war started. And no one gave a damn.

The fanatics were there well before the Soviet invasion. They were against Communism and wanted the 'Islamic way of life'. It was ultimately their intentions that brought about the results. They chose civil war instead of rebuilding their war-shattered nation.

The Afghan Taliban and the Pakistani Taliban are in fact two distinct organizations with different goals.

During the Cold War, the Soviets did threaten the Pakistanis before due to the various U-2 flights carried out by the Americans from Pakistan. So yes, it was justified for Pakistan to interfere in Afghanistan in order to give it a foothold. Any country would.
Cold War Crisis: The U2 Incident at the American Museum of Science and Energy in Oak Ridge, Tenn., Looks at the Soviets' Capture of CIA pilot Francis Gary Powers in 1960|A Spy's Ill-Fated Flight From Pakistan|By Mark Yost - WSJ.com
1960 U-2 incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They didn't give the Pakistanis F-16s for no reason.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/68063-shooting-down-first-soviet-su-25-a.html

And of-course, the Afghan refugee issue was a problem.

 

[boris]

Watch video fool.

ISI only acted when Indian and Russia began helping the Northern Alliance,because many top shots felt that the Talibans who were Pakhtoons were better for Afghanistan and Pakistan too.I remember reading somewhere where a former Spetsnaz veteran said "Ofcourse Russia was helping Massoud against his rivals,how in hell do you think he survived that long!!"

 

[boris]

Perhaps...

The Taliban were part of the Mujaheddin. There technically was no Taliban (the organization) before the Soviets left. It was after the Soviets left that civil war started. And no one gave a damn.

The fanatics were there well before the Soviet invasion. They were against Communism and wanted the 'Islamic way of life'. It was ultimately their intentions that brought about the results. They chose civil war instead of rebuilding their war-shattered nation.

The Afghan Taliban and the Pakistani Taliban are in fact two distinct organizations with different goals.

During the Cold War, the Soviets did threaten the Pakistanis before due to the various U-2 flights carried out by the Americans from Pakistan. So yes, it was justified for Pakistan to interfere in Afghanistan in order to give it a foothold. Any country would.
Cold War Crisis: The U2 Incident at the American Museum of Science and Energy in Oak Ridge, Tenn., Looks at the Soviets' Capture of CIA pilot Francis Gary Powers in 1960|A Spy's Ill-Fated Flight From Pakistan|By Mark Yost - WSJ.com
1960 U-2 incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They didn't give the Pakistanis F-16s for no reason.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/68063-shooting-down-first-soviet-su-25-a.html

And of-course, the Afghan refugee issue was a problem.

Communism was the main reason the Soviets invaded.Afghanistan was a Soviet ally.When all the fanatics began rebelling USSR wanted the Afghan govt. to do something.The problem was the Afghan govt. was looking at quick solutions and then some sane Soviet politico said "I was sent to Afghanistan to review the situation there and I told the leadership there,what you are doing wont work we have been trying to enforce total communism in our country since 1917 and still we arent completely successful.How do you think you can do this job in a matter of months??"

 

[JonAsad]

This is actually a 24 part documentary . its a must watch for all history buffs.

Cold War 01/24 full length documentary - Comrades 1917-1945 - YouTube

thanks mate-
i was thinking of watching an action movie- this one is even better- informative and entertaining-

now where is my coke and popcorn-

 

[gambit]

Did ever Pakistan think or expect wat is happening now to them when they supported the so called Non state actors?

Pakistan is usually excused from any discussion regarding 1980s Afghanistan.

 

[fd24]

Pakistan is usually excused from any discussion regarding 1980s Afghanistan.

especially when its off topic. Look at the title and stick to it mate.

 

[gambit]

especially when its off topic. Look at the title and stick to it mate.

Yes, of course. How convenient, especially when it is well known that Pakistan is just as involved as we were. You are being deceitful, as usual.

 

[fd24]

Yes, of course. How convenient, especially when it is well known that Pakistan is just as involved as we were. You are being deceitful, as usual.

Gambit - firstly you are off topic. Secondly for an American to call anyone decietful is like the pot calling the kettle black mate. Your nations credibility is an all time low. Thirdly you can make as many accusations as you want that are off topic - thats all they are. Lets talk about Afghanistan, Russia and of course the USA - At least attempt not to troll.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Communism was the main reason the Soviets invaded.Afghanistan was a Soviet ally.When all the fanatics began rebelling USSR wanted the Afghan govt. to do something.The problem was the Afghan govt. was looking at quick solutions and then some sane Soviet politico said "I was sent to Afghanistan to review the situation there and I told the leadership there,what you are doing wont work we have been trying to enforce total communism in our country since 1917 and still we arent completely successful.How do you think you can do this job in a matter of months??"

These 'quick solutions' were often done through some pretty oppressive measures. That's what ticked off the fanatics.

Yes, of course. How convenient, especially when it is well known that Pakistan is just as involved as we were. You are being deceitful, as usual.

The fact is, without US support, the Afghan Mujaheddin would not have been successful against the Soviet army. And that support really mattered.

It doesn't matter whether or not Pakistan supported them, and they had their own reasons. The two simply complemented with one another based on their individual interests. Especially considering the Pakistan was a Cold War-era ally, and still is a major non-NATO ally.

After the Soviets left, the Afghans started fighting one another and no one gave a damn.

Zia-ul-Huq's legacy cast a dark shadow on Pakistan, which runs even today.

 

[gambit]

The fact is, without US support, the Afghan Mujaheddin would not have been successful against the Soviet army. And that support really mattered.

It doesn't matter whether or not Pakistan supported them, and they had their own reasons. The two simply complemented with one another based on their individual interests. Especially considering the Pakistan was a Cold War-era ally, and still is a major non-NATO ally.

After the Soviets left, the Afghans started fighting one another and no one gave a damn.

Zia-ul-Huq's legacy cast a dark shadow on Pakistan, which runs even today.

So what kind of people are they? Christians? Buddhists? Atheists? What?

 

[Zabaniyah]

So what kind of people are they? Christians? Buddhists? Atheists? What?

Mujahideen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Islamic Unity of Afghanistan Mujahideen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[gambit]

Mujahideen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Islamic Unity of Afghanistan Mujahideen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

They were muslims...?!?! Really...??? I lived through and was on active duty in that era but I had no idea that the Mujahedeen were muslims. Am shocked...!!!

 

[Zabaniyah]

They were muslims...?!?! Really...??? I lived through and was on active duty in that era but I had no idea that the Mujahedeen were muslims. Am shocked...!!!

The Afghans are generally fine warriors and hardy people. They even kicked out the British...TWICE...

But, they lack discipline.

 

[rcrmj]

They were muslims...?!?! Really...??? I lived through and was on active duty in that era but I had no idea that the Mujahedeen were muslims. Am shocked...!!!

maybe the young Gambit was too busy to fixing equipments and missed out all breifings`!``?

 

[RazPaK]

Gambit if you think Mujahadin resistance was only concerned about religion, then I'm sorry but you're mis-informed/uneducated.