Do we need A-10 Thunderbolt II for CAS ?

[BordoEnes]

@BordoEnes. Read my post and you'll understand . Not even your grandchildren will see a Turkish Air Superiority fighter. Leadership matters.

No offence but you should read my post again aswell. The TF-X is a reality that is going to happen, wether you have faith in it or not. The Turkish defence industry is progressing at such pace that it would be foolish to deny this.

The TF-X is going to be an Air superiority fighter, there are plentyfull of arguments to back this up. No one is going to build a twin engined latest generation fighter jet for simply bombing. Considering the F-35 wil act as an Bomber/Multi-role fighter jet, it obvious they would opt for a dedicated air superiority fighter, why else would we still buy F-35 if the case was otherwise?

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

No offence , we "plan" to build the TF-X and it is designed as Air Superiority Fighter, that's fine.. But it is like "babyshaking" , we should concentrate on deterrence now. Time matters. Did we dared to attack ESAD or even ISIS ?

 

[BordoEnes]

No offence , we "plan" to build the TF-X and it is designed as Air Superiority Fighter, that's fine.. But it is like "babyshaking" , we should concentrate on deterrence now. Time matters. Did we dared to attack ESAD or even ISIS ?

I would have expected much better reply. We Planned to be build a national warship, so we did. We Planned to be build a national Tank, so we did. We Planned to build a domestic national attack helicopter, so we did. We Planned to build our of Anti-Ship Missile, so we did. We Planned to build our own air defence systems, so we did. You get the point dont you? Whenever we "Plan" something we always make it a reality. You are no different then the people who used to mock Turkey for thinking they could build the aformentioned products yet we did gloriously. TF-X is going to happen, period.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

@BordoEnes

Try to accept opinions. We did of course. But it is too late and it is all not indigenious. Time passes so fast you can't imagine, in 30 years all will be outdated. Science develops not additive but multiplicative.

We have now to defend Türkiye.

 

[BordoEnes]

@BordoEnes

Try to accept opinions. We did of course. But it is too late and it is all not indigenious. Time passes so fast you can't imagine, in 30 years all will be outdated. Science develops not additive but multiplicative.

We have now to defend Türkiye.

Mate i never said i didnt accept your opinion, i just dont agree with it. The difference is that i used arguments whilst you just wrote down vague terms and sentences. For example i have no idea what point you are currently trying to make. Its to late for what? What makes you think we wont make and develop anything new within those 30 years? You act as if Turkey wont develop and evolve from this day forward. I dont really get what you are trying to tell me here sorry mate...

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

@BordoEnes I wanted to tell you and others, we are in WW3 already. But with unbelievable and devilish methods. Of course we have to develop and must not surrender. But this time , this years Turkish Country and identity must be protected , if necessary with offensive means - that is offence for defence. Otherwise we ill never have again the chanche to be Independent. Imagine , we develop but what is going around in our Country and around ? If we don't react, we can Forget it all. In this case we should surrender immediately to the USA and vote to become the 51. state of the US. EU (Germany) never will accept us as equal between equal, the USA will also never accept us as real partner. They will only accept an "slave- ant Türkiye".

In one sentence : " Reaction ", " If necessary new alliances and turning the back to old alliances".

 

[Babur Han]

@Hurshid Celebi

TF-X is part of a long Term Vision in my Opinion and the Target is to become Independent from US or european Source Codes ! Without the Source Codes we can never use Weapons according to our Interests. The Problem regarding Asad and ISIS, as well the kurdish Threat in Syria is that we nt have enough modern MBT, strong armoured IFV,enough Attack Helicopters and armed Drones ! With alll these Capabillities we have no big Deal with these Threats ! No western Country will see a strong turkish Military in the Region and Turkey should not have the Teeth to change anything against their Interests in the Region, that's why we are not allowed to Deploy Leopard-II Tanks in the south East ! As far I know in the Tank-2000 Tender were also M-1 Abrahams tested but US didn't want that Abrahams to be deployed in southeast !

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

@Hurshid Celebi

No western Country will see a strong turkish Military in the Region and Turkey should not have the Teeth to change anything against their Interests in the Region, that's why we are not allowed to Deploy Leopard-II Tanks in the south East ! As far I know in the Tank-2000 Tender were also M-1 Abrahams tested but US didn't want that Abrahams to be deployed in southeast !

Right. Abrams, Leclerc and Leo 2 were tested in Erzurum end of 1990s .

Leopard II are located in Kilis and Thrace, they will move if whenever we need.

 

[Bismarck]

@Babur Han there is no restriction on use the Leo2 tanks

German government (Green party) don't want to sell Leo3 tanks, because they were 'afraid' you can use it in southeast against Kurds. What is a totally BS. You can't use tanks in a asymmetrical warfare in mountain location . Even a monkey knows it!

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

@Bismarck

Only Germany accused us in the late 1990's to use the scrappy BTR s against the PKK.

Greens and Left Party Linke are the voice of terrorists and government is so happy with that,

cause thats not official comment

 

[Bismarck]

Even a putative PKK member like Cansu Özdemir is in our parliament!

About the BTR, you have use it only in villages I guess and not in the mountains.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

And Feleknaz UCA (PKK activist from Germany) and the nephew of Terrorist leader Öcalan Dilek Öcalan are

in Turkish Parliament.

 

[Bismarck]

And Feleknaz UCA (PKK activist from Germany) and the nephew of Terrorist leader Öcalan Dilek Öcalan are

in Turkish Parliament.

The one who doesn't speak any turkish? Hahaha! Good choice!

Btw, Ocalan's nephew is not Ocalan himself! But the one which I have posted are under observation by BND, as a PKK member !

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

Everywhere don't confuse with BTR 80 s from Russia


Almanya'dan transfer edilen eski Doğu Alman BTR-60'ları ve Rusya'dan satın alınan BTR-80'ler, İç Güvenlik Harekatı'nda, Güneydoğu Anadolu'nun sarp coğrafyasında uzun zamandır kullanılmakta. Bu araçlarla ilgili motor / transmisyon başta olmak üzere modernizasyon / iyileştirme tecrübemiz de bulunuyor. Yani sadece kullanıcı bazında değil tecrübemiz, alt sistem ve aksamlara da sirayet etmiş durumda.

Siyah Gri Beyaz: Taktik Tekerlekli Zırhlı Araç Piyasası: Gidişat ve Türkiye'deki Durum

The one who doesn't speak any turkish? Hahaha! Good choice!

Btw, Ocalan's nephew is not Ocalan himself! But the one which I have posted are under observation by BND, as a PKK member !

may i revise you, not only BND especially by BfV ( IM - Cologne) and LfV Hamburg

maybe also by MAD , cause Money laundering from drugs for weapons

 

[UkroTurk]

Attention to 0:24 second! Adam kacbin sterlinlik antitank misilleri cekirdek gibi saciyor. A-10'nun modasi gecmedi mi? 30mm topla alcalarak binlerce fisek yakacagina, OMTAS'lari sal gitsin.
23. saniyede Tornado'dan Brimstone'lar akiyor mubarek.