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I translated the article from the website "Stimme Russlands", a Russian government's international radio broadcasting service. More or less the article reveals the opinion of the Russian government.
http://german.ruvr.ru/2013_10_26/Ru...m-widersprechen-chinesischen-Interessen-5112/



Do Russian arms sales to Vietnam contradict Chinese interests?

26 Oktober, 20:49
Wasilij Kaschin


VOICE OF RUSSIA - The modernization of the Vietnamese armed forces, with active participation of Russia, lures interests in the West and wories some neighboring Asian countries, and causes increasing concern in China. This concern was expressed during China´s bilateral meetings with Russia.

Actually Vietnam only takes necessary steps so that its armed forces can go along with the time. Nevertheless, a number of Chinese observers declared bluntly that the modernization of Vietnamese army, notably the creating of modern submarines with diesel-electric drive, a major threat to China's national security.


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In fact, Vietnam has become a major military-technical partner of Russia. With the help of the Russia it creates a submarine fleet, consisting of six submarines of the project 636th. Vietnam also receives Russia Su-30MK2 fighters, missiles speedboats, frigates, various types of anti-ship and air defense missiles. Russia also helps Vietnam to maintain of previously sold Soviet weapons and provides help in the training of Vietnamese officers.

However, the importance of Vietnamese progress in modernizing its defense forces should not be overestimated. It would be naive to believe that the most powerful country in Southeast Asia would remain passive, thanks to a rapidly developing economy, with arsenals of the Soviet times.

China adds annually new nuclear submarines and produces several dozen fighters of fourth generation. It has launched the production of destroyers comparable to the U.S. AEGIS system. The Vietnamese are very modest if compared to the pace of China's modernization. Whatever Vietnam gets from Russia, it has never enough financial resources to transform air and naval forces being capable to challenge China. Vietnam tries merely to meet minimum requirement of the national defense.

Thus China should be satisfied that Vietnam buys weapons from Russia.

Despite occasional friction and territory disputes Sino-Vietnamese relations differ significantly from China's relationship to the close U.S. allies such as Japan and the Philippines. China considers the development of its relations with Vietnam as strategically important and has included this key country in Southeast Asia into its economic cooperation model. The unresolved territorial dispute and strong nationalist sentiments on both sides may bring local crises, but both governments try to settle before the dispute can cause any irreversible damage.

If Russia refused to provide necessary weapons to Vietnam, then the Vietnamese side would face the risk of gradually losing its ability to fight, which would alter the balance of power in the region. The sense of helplessness would force Vietnam to look for alternative source of weapons - to turn - to the U.S. and its allies.

In contrast to Russia, the United States put a number of political conditions ahead of any military-technical cooperation. The military-political rapprochement between the U.S. and Vietnam, which is already underway, could accelerate dramatically. Vietnam would receive the same amount and similar weapons if it maintains the policy of maneuvering between the great powers. With the consequence, the country would move closer to an alliance with the United States.

If Russia denied arms sales to Vietnam, then China´s national security would worsen. More than it does now.

Vasily Kashin
 
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To draw a conclusion: Russia says China should support Vietnam closer tie with the Russian bear. :)

My personal opinion is it is okay, but VN should increase tie with Japan as well, since Japan is willing to offer more modern stuffs (hopefully as cheap as from Russia) if the country scraps its postwar constitutions.
 
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The problem is the money and arms embargo !

Does U.S still maintain the arms embargo to a communist country - Vietnam ? If yes, then no West country including Japan willing to export west weapons to VN.

Does Vietnam can afford billions of military expenditure to improve VN's military force ? If yes, then u can using T-90; If no, then still use T-59.


Here is 2001-2012 World Arms Industry :coffee:
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Just check above datas, u need how many billions of $$$ to improve a strong military force ?
 
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The problem is the money and arms embargo !

Does U.S still maintain the arms embargo to a communist country - Vietnam ? If yes, then no West country including Japan willing to export west weapons to VN.

Does Vietnam can afford billions of military expenditure to improve VN's military force ? If yes, then u can using T-90; If no, then still use T-59.


Here is 2001-2012 World Arms Industry :coffee:
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10569420344_d1b487c9c5_o.jpg


Just check above datas, u need how many billions of $$$ to improve a strong military force ?
more relax. The article diffuses your concern of a possible strong armed Vietnam as we just maintain a minimum defence deterrence. Nothing more. You are right, we are too poor to afford an arms race.
 
more relax. The article diffuses your concern of a possible strong armed Vietnam as we just maintain a minimum defence deterrence. Nothing more. You are right, we are too poor to afford an arms race.
Seriously China arms is a good choice for Vietnam, but ... Army weapons export is possible, for example help to update T-54 ==> type59D tank
 
Mmmmhhhh...

So Russia wants China to have closer ties with Vietnam, but, how about the dispute in the South China Sea?

China, Russia and Vietnam have different interests. I don't think China is willing to export high grade weapons to Vietnam, not at this time. Sure, China is a good place for poor military like Vietnam to buy good weapons, but there obstacles that are blocking this.

Maybe Vietnam should stick to buying Russian weapons, so Russian arms industry can have a nation that buys their weapons.
 
[/quote] "cnleio, post: 4914503, member: 144118"]Seriously China arms is a good choice for Vietnam, but ... Army weapons export is possible, for example help to update T-54 ==> type59D tank[/quote]


Why would china want to arm vietnam? Makes no sense.
 
Seriously China arms is a good choice for Vietnam, but ... Army weapons export is possible, for example help to update T-54 ==> type59D tank


Why would china want to arm vietnam? Makes no sense.

Just update T-54, not a big deal.

They have many old T-54 tanks and VN ever asked Israel to help them, but seems still funds problem only build one T-55M3 prototype. Update T-54 and earning money from Vietnam can't hurt China anymore.

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China type59D tank
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Why would china want to arm vietnam? Makes no sense.
Correct. We don´t need Chinese weapons. Russia maintains the policy of providing all necessary arms Vietnam needs for self-defence. A militarily weak Vietnam would alter the balance of power in the region and would have dramatic consequences.
 
Mmmmhhhh...

So Russia wants China to have closer ties with Vietnam, but, how about the dispute in the South China Sea?
The best way is to maintain the status-quo. For now, until a final solution is found.
China, Russia and Vietnam have different interests. I don't think China is willing to export high grade weapons to Vietnam, not at this time. Sure, China is a good place for poor military like Vietnam to buy good weapons, but there obstacles that are blocking this.

Maybe Vietnam should stick to buying Russian weapons, so Russian arms industry can have a nation that buys their weapons.
As I said previously, it is unrealistic, that Vietnam buys weapons from China, at least not in the near term, because this step would bring huge implications, for both sides.

As for Russia, it wants to keep Vietnam as its partner and ally in the region as Russia only has Vietnam as a true friend in South East Asia. In doing so, despite close relationship with China, Russia will never allow China to threaten nor execute any intimidation on Vietnam. It is very interesting to observe the conflict between Russia and China as both seek hegemony in the region.
 
China arm the syrians rebels with HJ-8 and arm NATO Turkey with anti-aircraft missiles
It contradicts the russian point of view
 
Not really。

If Vietman does not buy from the Russians,it will buy from the Americans。

I for one would prefer the Vienameses having Russian weapons to American ones。

It is every nation's sovereign right to decide how its revenues are divided among defence spendings and other needs。Vietnam is entitled to purchasing weapons from whichever country it sees fit。
 
Russia has a weak manufacturing sector, and if it weren't for arms sales, oil/gas/petroleum exports would be all it has. Therefore, China shouldn't begrudge Russia this business, and regardless, nor can it - Russia is going sell to anyone, even the Syrian rebels/islamists or Saudi Arabia, if they can afford the price tag. And ultimately it doesn't matter because Vietnam is not a credible military threat to China.
 
The buying of expensive submarines and fighters in token numbers is really detrimental to Vietnam. Traditional Vietnamese strengths in guerrilla tactics is the best defense and is also frugal.
Better yet, aligning with China to prevent any fighting whatsoever is best.
 
To draw a conclusion: Russia says China should support Vietnam closer tie with the Russian bear. :)

My personal opinion is it is okay, but VN should increase tie with Japan as well, since Japan is willing to offer more modern stuffs (hopefully as cheap as from Russia) if the country scraps its postwar constitutions.
Your strategy is an exact copycat of the India's weapon acquisition program. Both try to acquire weapons with two rival spheres of influence without knowingly the political tension exists in the two spheres. Flip-flopping between the two spheres are advantageous in the short-term, but in the long term it will create a suspicion and mistrust. Thus you end up with receiving limit defense aid.
 

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