Disturbing narrative developing in the #US for #Pakistan.

[maximuswarrior]

The moot point is not how $50 million matters for Pakistan but US Defense Secretary James Mattis unwilling to certify that Pakistan has done enough to fight the Haqqani Network even for a paltry $50 million. That's how bad the things are and they are going get worse.

Ask James Mattis if he is willing to risk withholding funds meant for the US supply routes passing Pakistan. Until then just STFU because all you are doing is bluffing like you always do. You can't do fvck and neither can your daddy the US. Empty words is all it is.

We know where this is suddenly coming from. This hurt is related to something else.

Let's not argue about who is right and wrong anymore. All sides have their own reasons and truths.

Pakistan is not going to adhere to any US demands. Plain and simple. If you can do anything about it by all means do.

 

[wiseone2]

The thread title served as honey to roaches. So many of these disturbed beggars flooded into the thread. Their begging and whining to white masters never stops.

The reality is no matter what American individuals say, America will never attack a country like Pakistan. The stakes are just too much to even ignore. American arms manufacturers need some fear mongering in every part of the world in order to keep their business deals alive. Iran keeps the military deals alive in entire middle east, Russia in entire Europe, China in entire Southeast Asia and India whereas Pakistan in Afghanistan (for Afghanistan, NATO and US) as well as India. The longer the US troops remains in Afghanistan, the longer the requirement for military stuff and having a mammoth military budget of 700 billion means huge chunk of $$ business for these military contractors and manufacturers. Futhermore losing Pakistan means, losing a dirt cheap supply route in afghanistan, becoming blind from another nuclear power after korea, iran, Russia and China, creating an impossible to break alliance between Iran, Pakistan, China all attached to each other by land and dozens of other setbacks.

So indians need to stop dreaming of having a breakup of Pakistan/US alliance.

There is no alliance between USA and Pakistan

Iran is by means allied to Pakistan. They have nukes and tens of billions in oil revenues. They have no use for you
You cannot even buy natural gas from them when they built a pipeline for you.

USA exports $1.4 trillion. Weapon exports are $35 billion. It is 2.5% of total exports.
You are assuming Russia, Iran and China are angels

 

[maximuswarrior]

There is no alliance between USA and Pakistan

Iran is by means allied to Pakistan. They have nukes and tens of billions in oil revenues. They have no use for you
You cannot even buy natural gas from them when they built a pipeline for you.

USA exports $1.4 trillion. Weapon exports are $35 billion. It is 2.5% of total exports.
You are assuming Russia, Iran and China are angels

Iran has their own problems with the US, but that is irrelevant. The facts are that the US is at odds with Pakistan, Iran, China and Russia with regards to Afghanistan. US blame games against Pakistan are just the tip of the ice berg. The US has humongous problems as far as Afghanistan is concerned. The US cannot win in Afghanistan. That is the simple truth. Get that through your skull. They can have as many trillions of dollars in their reserves or as debt. It cannot buy them victory. You should know that by now.

 

[wiseone2]

Iran has their own problems with the US, but that is irrelevant. The facts are that the US is at odds with Pakistan, Iran, China and Russia with regards to Afghanistan. Get that through your skull.

Iran and Russia never cared for pakistan and taliban agenda in Afghanistan

 

[StraightShooter]

So indians need to stop dreaming of having a breakup of Pakistan/US alliance.

Introduced in House (06/22/2017)


115th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 3000

To terminate the designation of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan as a major non-NATO ally, and for other purposes.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
June 22, 2017
Mr. Poe of Texas (for himself, Mr. Nolan, Mr. Rohrabacher, Mr. Weber of Texas, Mr. Cohen, Mr. Schweikert, and Mr. Bost) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Foreign Affairs

A BILL
To terminate the designation of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan as a major non-NATO ally, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
22 U.S.C. 2321k(a)(1)) or any other provision of law is hereby terminated; and

(2) the President may not issue a separate designation of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan as a major non-NATO ally pursuant to section 517(a)(1) of such Act or any other provision of law unless the President submits to Congress a certification described in subsection (b).

(b) Certification.—A certification described in this subsection is a certification that contains a determination of the President that—

(1) Pakistan continues to conduct military operations that are contributing to significantly disrupting the safe haven and freedom of movement of the Haqqani Network in Pakistan;

(2) Pakistan has taken steps to demonstrate its commitment to prevent the Haqqani Network from using any Pakistani territory as a safe haven;

(3) the Government of Pakistan actively coordinates with the Government of Afghanistan to restrict the movement of militants, such as the Haqqani Network, along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border; and

(4) Pakistan has shown progress in arresting and prosecuting Haqqani Network senior leaders and mid-level operatives.


https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/3000/text

 

[maximuswarrior]

Iran and Russia never cared for pakistan and taliban agenda in Afghanistan

LOL Iran might, but Russia and Pakistan certainly agree on many points. You need to swallow that part of the truth. Each side has their own agenda and all sides conflict with the US. The US only has India and ISIS on its side in Afghanistan.

 

[LeGenD]

It still baffles me why Nawaz Sharif is ignoring this matter. He should appoint a Foreign Minister immediately and get him to task.

 

[maximuswarrior]

It still baffles me why Nawaz Sharif is ignoring this matter? He should appoint a foreign minister immediately and get him to task.

What is so hard to imagine? He is too busy saving has a$$ in domestic affairs. The last thing Nawaz Sharif could care about is foreign issues affecting his country.

 

[LeGenD]

Really? Where do you think Osama was hiding and where is the Haqqani network?

All of the answers you seek are in Abbottabad Commission Report.

Zarb-e-azb was against bad talibans not against good talibans.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/739135/haqqanis-no-exception-operation-targeting-all-militants-us-told/

What is so hard to imagine? He is too busy saving has a$$ in domestic affairs. The last thing Nawaz Sharif could care about is foreign issues affecting his country.

And this is baffling - Nawaz Sharif doesn't have time for foreign policy matters due to Panama investigations but he has not appointed a Foreign Minister either.

As PM of Pakistan, he is responsible for the well-being of this country.

 

[StraightShooter]

It still baffles me why Nawaz Sharif is ignoring this matter. He should appoint a Foreign Minister immediately and get him to task.

What is so hard to imagine? He is too busy saving has a$$ in domestic affairs. The last thing Nawaz Sharif could care about is foreign issues affecting his country.

All of the answers you seek are in Abbottabad Commission Report.


This idiot risks ruining Pakistan with his shortsighted approach to foreign issues and defense of corruption.

Why blame NS when the foreign policy of Pakistan has always been handled by the Military?

 

[American Pakistani]

There is no alliance between USA and Pakistan

Iran is by means allied to Pakistan. They have nukes and tens of billions in oil revenues. They have no use for you
You cannot even buy natural gas from them when they built a pipeline for you.

USA exports $1.4 trillion. Weapon exports are $35 billion. It is 2.5% of total exports.
You are assuming Russia, Iran and China are angels

As much as you hate but there is alliance due to several interest meet.

Iran is not as allied as it could be. Just like you guys backed off from gas pipeline project.

The figure is more than 40 Billion $ which is a huge amount. It is not a joke. And this is excluding the stuff US military buys for it's use. That figure is around 150 billion $.

Nobody's angel.

Introduced in House (06/22/2017)


115th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 3000

To terminate the designation of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan as a major non-NATO ally, and for other purposes.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
June 22, 2017
Mr. Poe of Texas (for himself, Mr. Nolan, Mr. Rohrabacher, Mr. Weber of Texas, Mr. Cohen, Mr. Schweikert, and Mr. Bost) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Foreign Affairs

A BILL
To terminate the designation of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan as a major non-NATO ally, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
22 U.S.C. 2321k(a)(1)) or any other provision of law is hereby terminated; and

(2) the President may not issue a separate designation of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan as a major non-NATO ally pursuant to section 517(a)(1) of such Act or any other provision of law unless the President submits to Congress a certification described in subsection (b).

(b) Certification.—A certification described in this subsection is a certification that contains a determination of the President that—

(1) Pakistan continues to conduct military operations that are contributing to significantly disrupting the safe haven and freedom of movement of the Haqqani Network in Pakistan;

(2) Pakistan has taken steps to demonstrate its commitment to prevent the Haqqani Network from using any Pakistani territory as a safe haven;

(3) the Government of Pakistan actively coordinates with the Government of Afghanistan to restrict the movement of militants, such as the Haqqani Network, along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border; and

(4) Pakistan has shown progress in arresting and prosecuting Haqqani Network senior leaders and mid-level operatives.


https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/3000/text

Was it approved?

Why blame NS when the foreign policy of Pakistan has always been handled by the Military?

Because types of sharif and zardari are responsible for looting the country not military. Types of sharif and zardari have wealth looted from pakistan in foreign nation's bank accounts. They are the real culprits and should be hanged for treason.

 

[StraightShooter]

Was it approved?

No but chances are pretty high unless Pakistan assures US that it would never provide a military base to China.

Can Pakistan give such an assurance to US? I don't think so.

Because types of sharif and zardari are responsible for looting the country not military. Types of sharif and zardari have wealth looted from pakistan in foreign nation's bank accounts. They are the real culprits and should be hanged for treason.

But how does that prevent GHQ managing the foreign policy? GHQ should own up instead of blaming the politicians for their mess ups.

 

[maximuswarrior]

All of the answers you seek are in Abbottabad Commission Report.


https://tribune.com.pk/story/739135/haqqanis-no-exception-operation-targeting-all-militants-us-told/


And this is baffling - Nawaz Sharif doesn't have time for foreign policy matters due to Panama investigations but he has not appointed a Foreign Minister either.

As PM of Pakistan, he is responsible for the well-being of this country.

Thanks God we can agree on that.

As much as you hate but there is alliance due to several interest meet.

Iran is not as allied as it could be. Just like you guys backed off from gas pipeline project.

The figure is more than 40 Billion $ which is a huge amount. It is not a joke. And this is excluding the stuff US military buys for it's use. That figure is around 150 billion $.

Nobody's angel.



Was it approved?



Because types of sharif and zardari are responsible for looting the country not military. Types of sharif and zardari have wealth looted from pakistan in foreign nation's bank accounts. They are the real culprits and should be hanged for treason.

Well said. It is funny how the Indians bring up Pakistan not being able to buy Iranian gas when India itself chickened out due to American pressure. How can we forget that?

 

[wiseone2]

As much as you hate but there is alliance due to several interest meet.

Iran is not as allied as it could be. Just like you guys backed off from gas pipeline project.

The figure is more than 40 Billion $ which is a huge amount. It is not a joke. And this is excluding the stuff US military buys for it's use. That figure is around 150 billion $.

Why would Iran even trust Pakistan on anything ? India buys oil/gas from Iran. Pakistan never buys from Iran.
Pakistanis are always looking for handouts which the GCC states are happy to provide

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

An expected move considering their PAWN nawaz sharif is about to fall to his knees and die