Discovery Channel reveals what it takes To Be in the Indian Army's Premier Strike Force

[Skrull]

Still far inferior to SSGs...lol

YOu wish

 

[Hellfire]

Still far inferior to SSGs...lol

Yup. It is so.

I watched bullets bounce off them 4 years back and the bullets flew from Keran and fell in Delhi.

Awesome capability. To top it all, the SSG simply took off using their standing broad jump and jumped from one ridge to another which took our mere mortal SF 6 hours to cover.

Hope you have had your climax listening to it

Now you follow suit and hop away

@Local_Legend your personal video?

 

[Mirza Jatt]

Yup. It is so.

I watched bullets bounce off them 4 years back and the bullets flew from Keran and fell in Delhi.

Awesome capability. To top it all, the SSG simply took off using their standing broad jump and jumped from one ridge to another which took our mere mortal SF 6 hours to cover.

Hope you have had your climax listening to it

Now you follow suit and hop away

@Local_Legend your personal video?

ignore em.

 

[gambit]

I think PJ is more about Aviation Medicine, which is related to aircrew and aviation related injuries and wounds, that is something 18D would not know, where the Army are more general branch and they will have to cover anything. and if I remember correctly, the PJ medical phase is only about 20 or 30 weeks. So essentially, they are SF qualified Paramedics.

The PJs that I used to hung out with, the seniors were trained by the Army, then the USAF created their own at Kirtland AFB, and to the old guys, there are noticeable differences in training.

What happened was the AF reviewed the PJ's medical training needs in regards to their primary mission, which is recovery, and decided that the Army's way is overkill. For the younger PJs, the main task is to get the victim out of immediate danger so treat any wound he has to a 'good enough' point for transport. The seniors were the ones who learned even some minor surgeries techniques from the Army. So there is a minor joke among aircrews not to get hurt too bad if there is a need to eject or crash.

The Alaskan PJs have been known to rescue fishermen, so it is not just aviation related medical issues.

 

[Local_Legend]

@Local_Legend your personal video?[/QUOTE]

No Sir ... Not mine. Just posted the videos which is among a few by Indian Army but giving significance to Medical core. Saw the uploaded name same to similar who contribute well on Indian SF sticky thread . I ain't claiming. any any credit .

 

[Hellfire]

ignore em.

Aw don't spoil the fun!!!!

 

[Abingdonboy]

@PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR

Pls post the link as i could not see yesterday....

I wish I could bro but I don't have the link nor did I get to see it yesterday

 

[sms]

Still far inferior to SSGs...lol

Does Operation Gibraltar ring any bell?
Also, we do have a trophy of SSG heroism called "Qaid post"

I wish I could bro but I don't have the link nor did I get to see it yesterday

Need link, post it if you come across it!

 

[Omega007]

Still far inferior to SSGs...lol

How so??Please explain.

 

[AUz]

How so??Please explain.

Combat experience.

Take U.S Navy seals--why are they so respected by everybody? Combat experience. They have had so many failures, they have had so many successes---but all of this adds to their combat experience across globe in different environments--something unmatched by majority of other SFs in the world.

Now, just google SSGs and Paratroopers..and see the difference in combat experience.

SSGs have operated in foreign wars (Soviet-Afghan war), have conducted operations in Middle-East, have been part of a decade long war on terrorism in some of the toughest terrains in the world, and have successfully conducted operations whether dealing with plane hijackers or clearing out terrorists from extremely complicated set ups in real life.

Paratroopers don't have that real life combat experience in so many different situations etc.

SSGs training regime is tougher than Paratroopers as well. For example, while paratroopers did 100km march in the video, SSGs are required to go 120km to 150km with heavier loads and harsher conditions (no paved roads here).

Idiots like @sms will bring up one or two operations from 40 years back to put down SSG...but they don't realize that the very fact SSGs have been involved across spectrum of operations is what makes them superior to other, less experienced, forces. Do you know how many bouched operations one can pull out for Navy seals or British SAS? lol...

 

[Omega007]

Combat experience.

Take U.S Navy seals--why are they so respected by everybody? Combat experience. They have had so many failures, they have had so many successes---but all of this adds to their combat experience across globe in different environments--something unmatched by majority of other SFs in the world.

Now, just google SSGs and Paratroopers..and see the difference in combat experience.

SSGs have operated in foreign wars (Soviet-Afghan war), have conducted operations in Middle-East, have been part of a decade long war on terrorism in some of the toughest terrains in the world, and have successfully conducted operations whether dealing with plane hijackers or clearing out terrorists from extremely complicated set ups in real life.

Paratroopers don't have that real life combat experience in so many different situations etc.

Fair enough,, although, the Paras by their very nature, are extremely secretive and there isn't really much info available about them in open domain.But I would agree, Paras are more specialised in conducting operations in high altitude and jungles than other theatres.

SSGs training regime is tougher than Paratroopers as well. For example, while paratroopers did 100km march in the video, SSGs are required to go 120km to 150km with heavier loads and harsher conditions (no paved roads here).

There I would have to disagree, because what we saw in the video didn't really cover the actual training at all but merely showed glimpses of the 36 hours probation period!!You know probation right, where you weed out the weaklings??It was on of those, actual training will only begin after you have managed to pull yourself through this shit!!They will most definitely be put through such LRP drills with full combat load over rocky grounds when the actual training begins.
As for marching 120 - 150 kms with heavier loads over rugged terrain, sure that is impressive and all but without mentioning the time period, it doesn't really prove anything.What you are talking about is more like an LRP with full combat load, troops usually start those from rested condition and also, they do not cover the entire swath of the distance by running only, but it's more like hiking.
But here, the recruits (probies) were made to complete the entire course within 14 hrs or so, and they had to run throughout almost the entire swath of distance, to finish the course in time!!And you also need to remember that these boys (many in their teens) were not Paras but regular infantry, most of them just fresh out of the boot camp!!One of them even uttered something like and I'm paraphrasing, "I can't even run 10 km, how the hell on earth I'm supposed to run a 100??"See, you can't compare these raw recruits with your full blooded SSG men and draw the conclusions because then you will get the wrong results, because essentially, you would be comparing regular infantry with a full-fledged SOF!!I hope I made my point clear.

Idiots like @sms will bring up one or two operations from 40 years back to put down SSG...but they don't realize that the very fact SSGs have been involved across spectrum of operations is what makes them superior to other, less experienced, forces. Do you know how many bouched operations one can pull out for Navy seals or British SAS? lol...

Forget about it.Even our Paras have botched up during Sri Lanka campaign, although it had more to do with bad intel than their it had to do with them.

 

[jhungary]

The PJs that I used to hung out with, the seniors were trained by the Army, then the USAF created their own at Kirtland AFB, and to the old guys, there are noticeable differences in training.

What happened was the AF reviewed the PJ's medical training needs in regards to their primary mission, which is recovery, and decided that the Army's way is overkill. For the younger PJs, the main task is to get the victim out of immediate danger so treat any wound he has to a 'good enough' point for transport. The seniors were the ones who learned even some minor surgeries techniques from the Army. So there is a minor joke among aircrews not to get hurt too bad if there is a need to eject or crash.

The Alaskan PJs have been known to rescue fishermen, so it is not just aviation related medical issues.

Worked with a few PJ in my time with JSOC(They usually have PJ and CCT on standby for special insertion)

Different with PJ and 18D is simply the medical training they went thru, the reason for this different is because 18D usually tasked with HPT (High Priority Target) rescue and capture, and they have to be able to perform field surgery if the HPT are wounded in the process (which is very likely) and in the good old day, you cannot make a round trip to your nearest role 3 within an half hours, that mean the 18D would need to work their magic if you want to keep the HPT alive by the time you get back to base, and field surgery is considered a must for our 18D

PJ, on the other hand, tasked with special rescue, if I remember correctly, AF Medivac flight in desert storm actually carry doctor and nurse on their flight (And one of the nurse was actually shot down and captured and become the first female POW long before Jessica Lynch) The PJ job is not life saving as much as they are to rescue the person behind enemy lines. Plus, PJ usually attached to Army SF anyway (as part of JSOC), so their job is some how overlapped with 18D, I think PJ in the future will be moving away from medical training and more focus on tactical rescue.

Also, I think the Bering sea is Coast Guard Turf, CG runs their rescue swimmer from Alaska. My cousin is a CG CPO stationed in Kodiak, don't know PJ also do this too...

 

[Abingdonboy]

Take U.S Navy seals--why are they so respected by everybody?

DEVGRU are respected but many US Army/SOCOM units have serious dislike for the SEAL teams and their lack of basic soldiering skills (especially in the early days of the "War on Terror").

Now, just google SSGs and Paratroopers..and see the difference in combat experience.

SSGs have operated in foreign wars (Soviet-Afghan war), have conducted operations in Middle-East, have been part of a decade long war on terrorism in some of the toughest terrains in the world, and have successfully conducted operations whether dealing with plane hijackers or clearing out terrorists from extremely complicated set ups in real life.

Paratroopers don't have that real life combat experience in so many different situations etc.

SSGs training regime is tougher than Paratroopers as well. For example, while paratroopers did 100km march in the video, SSGs are required to go 120km to 150km with heavier loads and harsher conditions (no paved roads here).

Idiots like @sms will bring up one or two operations from 40 years back to put down SSG...but they don't realize that the very fact SSGs have been involved across spectrum of operations is what makes them superior to other, less experienced, forces. Do you know how many bouched operations one can pull out for Navy seals or British SAS? lol...

Yes yes and 1 SSG is equal to 100000 PARA (SF), what else would we expect from you?

You can beleive the SSG are the best in the world, i have no problem with that it only highlights your cognative bias, but please leave that for another thread.

The PARA (SF) are one of the most expereinced SF units anywhere in the world,are one of the oldest SF units in the world, they have been deployed in CT ops for the past 3+ decades as well as having taken part in 3 (conventional wars) inside India's mainland as well as missions in Sri Lanka, Bhutan, Nepal, Mynamar, Sierre Leone, Maldives etc etc.


But sure, the SSG is just better, happy now?

@COLDHEARTED AVIATOR @PARIKRAMA

 

[AUz]

Yes yes and 1 SSG is equal to 100000 PARA (SF), what else would we expect from you?

I never said that. Stop your emotional rants and quit quoting me if you don't have anything relevant to say.

In combat experience, SSGs are far ahead of Indian Paratroopers keeping in mind factors such as difficulty of operations, scale of operations conducted, strength and capability of the enemies faced, and the time period both forces conducted sustained operations.

SSGs have conducted SpecOps which involved hundreds of operatives simultaneously fighting in immensely challenging environments, and they have also faced other elite special forces in direct combat (during Soviet invasion in Afghanistan).

What do you have? Paratroopers operating in Bhutan?!! Nepal?!!! Myanmar?!!! wow..must be a very challenging environment for India to operate in such complex, hostile, and threatening environments facing immensely powerful and sophisticated enemies We had it easy in Afghanistan against punny Soviets and in Europe (since Europe (Bosnia) is quite next door to us, you know...unlike far away hostile lands like Nepal).

Let's not put yourself in box...

 

[GuardianRED]

I never said that. Stop your emotional rants and quit quoting me if you don't have anything relevant to say.

In combat experience, SSGs are far ahead of Indian Paratroopers keeping in mind factors such as difficulty of operations, scale of operations conducted, strength and capability of the enemies faced, and the time period both forces conducted sustained operations.

SSGs have conducted SpecOps which involved hundreds of operatives simultaneously fighting in immensely challenging environments, and they have also faced other elite special forces in direct combat (during Soviet invasion in Afghanistan).

What do you have? Paratroopers operating in Bhutan?!! Nepal?!!! Myanmar?!!! wow..must be a very challenging environment for India to operate in such complex, hostile, and threatening environments facing immensely powerful and sophisticated enemies We had it easy in Afghanistan against punny Soviets and in Europe (since Europe (Bosnia) is quite next door to us, you know...unlike far away hostile lands like Nepal).

Let's not put yourself in box...

What ever helps u sleep at night Pal!