Disband Police - What's wrong with America?

[Figaro]

Extrajudicial killing by police is not new to USA. What's driving this outrage? Up coming election?

Well the Democrats are definitely taking advantage of this yes ... and you are right, extrajudicial killing is not new to the US. But the new generation is now "woke" and seeks to change that lol.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Sense of entitlement cannot be created in a day. What's reason we do see lots of entitled people in developed countries?

A kid thinks school is a waste of time so he doesn't take it seriously. He skips homework, skips classes, and treats his free education like forced daycare. When the last day of high school ends he walks home...happily ripping the pages out of his books and scattering them in the wind declaring he is finally "free"...but oh the cold hard reality will sink in very quickly.

A month later as he now has all the free time in the world he walks the streets noting the new cars parked along the road, the nice phone some lady walking by is chatting on, and the nice house on the corner. He decides it's time to get a job so he can have things like that.

Alas when he looks to see what jobs are available he is stunned to find out the nice paying ones require a college degree and the one's that don't seem to pay very very little for his level of wants/needs. When he asks around he finds many other people have started their own business and work very very hard to make a living.

But this kid has neither the time nor the patience to think of a legitimate business. He hears of money-making short-cuts from his older friends on the street. However even they take time. At the moment he needs a roof over his head and as rents are high in nice places he moves into a low quality housing unit shared with a bunch of people like himself. They teach him how to get free cash money from the government through welfare...and other things.

At night his new friends invite him on daily walks/rides and once in a while they vandalize cars or kick in a random door in a dark alley to see if there is anything worthwhile behind it for a laugh. One day he and his friends get hauled to the police station because some CCTV captured them carrying off somebody's $6000 motorcycle..a felony.

He lucks out though. The prosecutor doesn't want to waste his time with him because he wasn't the leader and so he recommends dropping all charges. First offense too. The kid decides he better lay low from the police for a while. He decides to try out some of those low paying positions by filling out some job applications.

Unfortunately applications have some questions that make him nervous. It asks if he was ever arrested and that all information will be verified. He tears up the application in disgust and stays at home on welfare debating his options. Alcohol and drugs started entering the picture.

He comes to the conclusion the world was always out to get him. That life was unfair to him. That he is entitled to that car, phone, and house everybody else seems to have. He decides that he has nothing to lose by more criminal activity. So he plots and plans ways to get those items

 

[FuturePAF]

Police work is tough work. It requires skills and psychological fortitude which not everyone possess or can acquire. Couple this with a quota requirement to give out tickets to raise revenue to support local governments which leads to people have too many Unnecessary encounters with the police. Finally add in a culture where people don’t automatically submit to authority and speak their mind and you have a recipe for a system that produces social disharmony and misunderstanding escalating really quickly.

nowadays, the police are militarized (physically and psychologically), so what use to be riot shields and batons is now MRAPs and various less than lethal munitions.

If we stopped requiring cops to have a quota of tickets they gave out and spend money from national funds on drug rehab and more shelters for the homeless, we would be able to go a long way to decreasing police-public interactions. Decriminalizing the laws around certain drugs would also go a long way in prevent new people from going to prison and entering “the system”. Finally getting people back to jobs training, so they can be productive members of society will go a long way in rehabilitation of former prisoners rather than leaving them vulnerable to only taking “criminal jobs” because getting a job as an ex-con is hard enough. Also weeding out bad cops and putting them in a national database as a bad cop will prevent them from leaving one department and going to the next one. There are 12,000 independent police departments in America.

Amongst the protestors there are many honest peaceful people, but their are many opportunists that use these protests to loot and damage property to stir up trouble. Some maybe even be “professional protestors”; they’ll protest anything, especially for a price.

The legal/political/media system in the US is a whole can of worms that just exponentially complicated this whole process. For example, in the case of Adnan Syed, a Pakistani-American accused and convicted of killing his ex-girlfriend some 20 years ago. when new evidence came to light that may exonerate him and throw out his conviction, the politicians wouldn’t allow a new trial. It took public pressure after a popular podcast series to force the politicians to allow him a second chance at justice.

p.s. the political parties try to score points and win elections against each other for short term power, while the long term economic and social stability interests of the nation are ignored. This also leads to dramatic shifts in the budgets of social programs and police, which lead to an unbalanced long term plan to solve social problems (continuing to patch the problems for the next elected official to pass to the next and the next and so on, instead of everyone coming together to solve the problem, which may take decades but will be a real fix)

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Police work is tough work. It requires skills and psychological fortitude which not everyone possess or can acquire. Couple this with a quota requirement to give out tickets to raise revenue to support local governments which leads to people have too many Unnecessary encounters with the police.

That isn't true in all places. In all my years of driving in Boston I only got one ticket and that was when I drove through the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combat_Zone,_Boston one time and the police had a roadblock and were checking out all the cars and I had an expired sticker. Otherwise they didn't care at all about stuff unless you are driving like a maniac. I could drive through crosswalks with pedestrians in them with the pedestrian right of way light flashing and they wouldn't care.

However a few towns over they had cars waiting at the highway exit ramps looking for people roaring down the streets at the same speed as the highway or having a bad sticker. They also hung out near the colleges waiting for somebody to do something stupid. I must have gotten 10 tickets in that town.

Where I live now the police are invisible. They don't hangout on corners looking to fill quotas

 

[FuturePAF]

That isn't true in all places. In all my years of driving in Boston I only got one ticket and that was when I drove through a special setup police search area and I had an expired sticker. Otherwise they didn't care at all about stuff unless you are driving like a maniac. I could drive through crosswalks with pedestrians in them with the pedestrian right of way light flashing and they wouldn't care.

However a few towns over they had cars waiting at the highway exit ramps looking for people roaring down the streets at the same speed as the highway or having a bad sticker. They also hung out near the colleges waiting for somebody to do something stupid. I must have gotten 10 tickets in that town.

Where I live now the police are invisible. They don't hangout on corners looking to fill quotas

Thank you for the clarification. Your right it’s not true in all places, but because it’s not true in all places it makes it even worse. Enforcement is stronger in some places over other, and part of the cause is the revenue generated by the tickets to support an area that need to generate funds. Btw, is your current town/neighborhood a more affluent area or at least comfortably middle class? (Police department has the funds from property taxes to focus on keeping crime under control)

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Thank you for the clarification. Your right it’s not true in all places, but because it’s not true in all places it makes it even worse. Enforcement is stronger in some places over other, and part of the cause is the revenue generated by the tickets to support an area that need to generate funds. Btw, is your current town/neighborhood a more affluent area or at least comfortably middle class? (Police department has the funds from property taxes to focus on keeping crime under control)

I'm in a nice area so crime is low. Even with high taxes they will always figure out a reason to cry that they don't have enough. Heck they'd cry a $Billion isn't enough for the school system.

 

[AViet]

stop this nonsense. A communist have to right to call others police state.

Why? Any communist state, even the worst ones, like Cuba or Laos, are still paradise compared to India. India may take at least 200 years (or perhaps never) to reach the current socio-economic development of the normally maligned-by West-and-India North Korea.

Ask any of your fellow Indian if they want to be a citizen of China, even as a Muslim, or living in the hellhole called India.

And I still remember Indian flocked to communist countries like Soviet Union and East Germany.

 

[sms]

Why? Any communist state, even the worst ones, like Cuba or Laos, are still paradise compared to India. India may take at least 200 years (or perhaps never) to reach the current socio-economic development of the normally maligned-by West-and-India North Korea.

Ask any of your fellow Indian if they want to be a citizen of China, even as a Muslim, or living in the hellhole called India.

And I still remember Indian flocked to communist countries like Soviet Union and East Germany.

Got hot gas out? Must be feeling better.
Thank you for your contribution!

 

[AViet]

Got hot gas out? Must be feeling better.
Thank you for your contribution!

I do not want to insult anyone, but feel sick seeing Indian, with no shame, takes high moral ground against communist countries, which Vietnam still is.

Vietnam or Laos are still very poor and backward, but compared to India...