Disband Police - What's wrong with America?

[sms]

This is really only a problem in poor inner city neighborhoods. Once you get outside these areas the police are practically invisible.

Are you saying poor people are more susceptible to indulge in unlawful acts?

 

[Figaro]

That's not correct, USA army do not march in cities. In worst case scenario national Guards will be called.

Disbanding the police is very stupid obviously ... some on the far left think that just because there are some isolated incidents involving police brutality/misconduct (e.g. George Floyd), they should just do away with police completely. You only need to see the aftermath of the "Seattle Free Zone" or the New York City riots this year to see why police is necessary.

Are you saying poor people are more susceptible to indulge in unlawful acts?

Generally wealth has an inverse correlation with the amount of crime committed in the US yes

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Are you saying criminal elements lobbying to get rid of police and gullible sheep following them blindly in name of progressivism?

There is this vicious circle in poor inner cities:
inner city high crime -> people complain about police ignoring poor people's safety -> demand more policing
more policing -> more people getting arrested and jailed-> having jail/arrest record impedes job employment
impeded job employment -> family hardship/poverty -> calls of racism and unfair police targeting -> demand lower police presence -> low police presence -> inner city high crime [circle to beginning]

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

Are these protest genuine , true to the cause or some attention hungry opportunist craving for recognition and free flow of funds at the cost of health and safety for fellow Americans?

Would love to know POV of American posters

Just like everything else police and law enforcement is a growth industry in the U.S. ... Prisons are a cottage industry and in some parts, the largest employer. Quotas are set to justify high spending on enforcement and ofcourse everyone gets rolled under the big roller... minorities being easy to profile get targeted most... but African Americans hold the historic baggage and most affected.

That being said... job of police and all the enforcement agencies is not easy... having at times vague descriptions on law or way too much regulation and/or legislations... I have way too many examples where underprivileged communities are affected, mostly economically... where due to even a misunderstanding someone becomes unable to pay their rent, car payment or insurance and cycle only gets worse thereon in...

 

[gambit]

Are these protest genuine...

No, they are not.

That does not mean police and policing should be left alone, but the data compiled by WaPo*, not a conservative newspaper, does not bear out the main protest argument -- that American police are 'brutal'.

* WaPo = Washington Post. Or Washington comPost according to Fox News viewers.

 

[hyperman]

living out side city you work is normal for Americans and it doesn't give you right to be unjust and brutal.
But is it a good ground to get rid of police instead of reforming it?

My point was, they have no investments in those communities that they hold power over, nothing invested, they come from out of town, and don't look at it as serving "their" community. there is a reason why they get compared to occupying forces, many of them tend to have contempt for the very people who they are supposed to be protecting and serving.

 

[sms]

Just like everything else police and law enforcement is a growth industry in the U.S. ... Prisons are a cottage industry and in some parts, the largest employer. Quotas are set to justify high spending on enforcement and ofcourse everyone gets rolled under the big roller... minorities being easy to profile get targeted most... but African Americans hold the historic baggage and most affected.

That being said... job of police and all the enforcement agencies is not easy... having at times vague descriptions on law or way too much regulation and/or legislations... I have way too many examples where underprivileged communities are affected, mostly economically... where due to even a misunderstanding someone becomes unable to pay their rent, car payment or insurance and cycle only gets worse thereon in...

let's assume that SFPD get's disbanded. Who will be on loosing side?

 

[sms]

My point was, they have no investments in those communities that they hold power over, nothing invested, they come from out of town, and don't look at it as serving "their" community. there is a reason why they get compared to occupying forces, many of them tend to have contempt for the very people who they are supposed to be protecting and serving.

Sir, if some one live in same or different city does not make you evil. Also, how many Policeman In SFPD can afford to own house in the precinct they are employed.

 

[sms]

There is this vicious circle in poor inner cities:
inner city high crime -> people complain about police ignoring poor people's safety -> demand more policing
more policing -> more people getting arrested and jailed-> having jail/arrest record impedes job employment
impeded job employment -> family hardship/poverty -> calls of racism and unfair police targeting -> demand lower police presence -> low police presence -> inner city high crime [circle to beginning]

You agree that disband or reduction on police will cause more mayhem.

 

[sms]

Generally wealth has an inverse correlation with the amount of crime committed in the US yes

Generally wealth is source of unrest and source of trouble.
it's old saying that free mind (when you do not have to worry about your bread and butter) is devil's den.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

You agree that disband or reduction on police will cause more mayhem.

Of course...just like the circle says.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Generally wealth is source of unrest and source of trouble.
it's old saying that free mind (when you do not have to worry about your bread and butter) is devil's den.

The opposite....unfortunately many people feel they are entitled to the same things others got through hard work.

 

[Figaro]

You agree that disband or reduction on police will cause more mayhem.

Obviously ... this is like using a cannon to kill a fly. Getting rid of an entire police force just because there a couple of bad incidents does not make sense and vastly outweighs the benefits of doing so (which are none).

 

[sms]

The opposite....unfortunately many people feel the are entitled to the same things others got through hard work.

Sense of entitlement cannot be created in a day. What's reason we do see lots of entitled people in developed countries?

 

[sms]

Obviously ... this is like using a cannon to kill a fly. Getting rid of an entire police force just because there a couple of bad incidents does not make sense and vastly outweighs the benefits of doing so (which are none).

Extrajudicial killing by police is not new to USA. What's driving this outrage? Up coming election?