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Difference B/W Chinese Flankers and indian flankers

You can't get rid of ANYTHING, forget airframes. :lol:

Yayaya why would we. When the OEM is giving us TOT for everything. It's your country which need the reverse engineering and steal due to BAN on your great nation due to copy paste :D
 
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major difference being the Indian one will used against its enemy in future battle, the commies will use their su's against their own like they did in Tienanmen
 
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Indians paying more than $100mil per Indian flanker while China developed its own .
 
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Indians paying more than $100mil per Indian flanker while China developed its own .

Not only the flanker, but even it's engine (AL-31) is made in India.

China still imports AL-31.

It's another matter that MKI is a different generation of aircraft than the chinese crrap. A case of a tiger being compared to a donkey.
 
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Chinese Su-27s are old, so lets neglect that, but their Su-30s mostly have N-001E and N-001VEP radars which are slotted array radars with an air-air range of 150km for 5m2 target, while Su-30MKI has N-011M BARS PESA radar which has an air-air range of 140km for a Mig-29 sized target(said to be 5m2), 10km less. However that's not the full story.

As always we have to read the fine print. The range of a radar even when given with its accompanying RCS does not tell the whole story. The 150km range comes with a 'but' clause. N-001 radar's indeed has a range of 150km for 5m2 range but for detection probability of only 50%. Which means if there is a fighter at 150km with a RCS of 5m2 then the N-001 radar may detect it with only a 50% chance. It's a 50-50 situation. So in order to get a 100% probability the range will obviously reduce. But with BARS, the probability of detection is 100% for 140km for 5m2.

And ofcourse, there is the TVC for the MKI. And also the canards. Unlike the TVC, canards has one drawback which is it reduces the speed down to 1.9 Mach from the usual 2.0 Mach for canard-less Su-30MKK. Also the popular misconception that canards was mainly put in to increase maneuverability. Yes, the canards does increase maneuverability no doubt about that, but the main reason why it was installed was not because of maneuverability considerations but because to stabilize the Center of Gravity & Center of Pressure of the aircraft which got screwed up due to installing the heavy BARS radar which weighs 600kgs compared to the 250-300kgs odd radar on baseline Su-27.
 
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Chinese Su-27s are old, so lets neglect that, but their Su-30s mostly have N-001E and N-001VEP radars which are slotted array radars with an air-air range of 150km for 5m2 target, while Su-30MKI has N-011M BARS PESA radar which has an air-air range of 140km for a Mig-29 sized target(said to be 5m2), 10km less. However that's not the full story.

As always we have to read the fine print. The range of a radar even when given with its accompanying RCS does not tell the whole story. The 150km range comes with a 'but' clause. N-001 radar's indeed has a range of 150km for 5m2 range but for detection probability of only 50%. Which means if there is a fighter at 150km with a RCS of 5m2 then the N-001 radar may detect it with only a 50% chance. It's a 50-50 situation. So in order to get a 100% probability the range will obviously reduce. But with BARS, the probability of detection is 100% for 140km for 5m2.

And ofcourse, there is the TVC for the MKI. And also the canards. Unlike the TVC, canards has one drawback which is it reduces the speed down to 1.9 Mach from the usual 2.0 Mach for canard-less Su-30MKK. Also the popular misconception that canards was mainly put in to increase maneuverability. Yes, the canards does increase maneuverability no doubt about that, but the main reason why it was installed was not because of maneuverability considerations but because to stabilize the Center of Gravity & Center of Pressure of the aircraft which got screwed up due to installing the heavy BARS radar which weighs 600kgs compared to the 250-300kgs odd radar on baseline Su-27.

That's not much of a feasible deal considering that the RADAR is not much better than N001 on MKKs ?
 
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Like I said the range of the N-001 radar for 100% detection probability will be much lower than 150km for sure. Maybe even less than a 100km. BARS was the best radar at that time and IAF made a good decision to get it even though canards got added as a result and the resulting speed drop and weight increase. Also the 140km for the BARS is the range of the baseline radar. NIIP exclusively states in their website that if the customer requests then the transmitter power of the radar can be increased thus increasing range. It is only natural for the IAF to get the increased power BARS radar in the later batches. It's foolish to rely on the old transmitter 10 or even just 5 years after the first Su-30MKI came to India, when newer more powerful ones are available.
 
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major difference being the Indian one will used against its enemy in future battle, the commies will use their su's against their own like they did in Tienanmen
What the hell it does with Tienanman?
 
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