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Did Türkiye overreact to Russia’s second-long violation? No!

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The Russian Federation has a typical way of dealing with NATO member countries in security confrontations. Moscow does not directly and openly confront these countries but rather abuses the gray area in which certain encroachments are too insufficient as to require the invocation of Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty. Within this gray area, Russia commits a violation and then propagandizes to other NATO member countries not to regard the matter as a serious threat that would necessitate NATO involvement. Thus, using salami tactics, Russia expands its influence on the ground without directly confronting NATO all the while pushing ahead to attain its goals.

As it relates to Russia’s encounters with Turkey, Ankara had indeed enjoyed closer relations with Moscow, especially compared to its other NATO counterparts in Eastern Europe that are more familiar with Russia’s tactics. In fact, Turkey’s gradually developing relations with Russia, primarily on the basis of economic and energy cooperation, even became subject to criticism from Turkey’s Western allies. Turkey also chose to disregard its differences with Russia when it came to Syria and attempted to solve Russia’s minor violations with an appeasement policy.

Nonetheless, these cordial relations ended with Russia’s bold move to intervene in Syria in line with Iran, Assad, and Hezbollah. With this move, Russia showed its intention to choose strategic influence in the Middle East over its cordial relations with Turkey. This came to constitute a breaking point not only because the two countries’ differences in Syria peaked, but also because of Turkey’s eventual reception of Russia’s support for the PYD along with its violation of Turkish airspace as inimical. Considering such developments, Russian President Putin’s “stab in the back” rhetoric is indeed implausible.

Why did Turkey shoot down the Russian jet?

Following the downing of the jet, some experts evaluated the incident in terms of an overreaction on the part of Turkey. Certain contentions were voiced employing a line of argument that an airspace violation which only took seconds should not be reason for such a strong reaction. There was also news about NATO members suggesting that the Russian jet should have been escorted out of Turkish airspace as a softer alternative. Nonetheless, the issue is not about the duration of this single Russian violation; rather it is about the nature and prospects of Russian violations.

This is not the first and only time that Russia violated Turkish airspace. It had also done so last month. Turkey has already escorted Russian jets out of its airspace not only at the Syrian border but also above the Black Sea - in March this year. Russian missile systems have also harassed Turkish air forces in the past. In this way, it can be seen that Russian violations have come to exhibit an iterative and expanding quality that can be regarded as designed to test the limits. At some point Turkey had to stop this. Otherwise, Russia would continue to commit ever invasive violations.

What’s next?

After the crisis, further escalation would be between Russia and NATO rather than Russia and Turkey seeing that the latter took the matter to Brussels and provided solid evidence that the Russian aircraft indeed violated Turkey’s airspace. From this point on, NATO’s acquiescence of further Russian violations directed at Turkey would severely damage its deterrence capability. Thus, it is of low probability that Russia escalate tension to an all-out confrontation with NATO. In this sense, it is certain that diplomatic attempts to de-escalate the tension will take place. Such is rational and should be welcomed by all parties involved.

As Former US Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul stated, Russia’s reaction will probably come in an asymmetric way. In terms of political reactions, Russia will focus on fighting ISIS in order to rally others against Turkey. Here, a growing international consensus that ISIS is the main target in Syria has become more apparent after the attacks in Beirut and Paris and the plane explosion in Sinai. Expectations for a united coalition against ISIS have even come to the fore. Thus, Russia will probably attempt to ride this wave in an attempt to drive Turkey into a corner. As Putin made certain accusations of Turkey’s relationship with ISIS after the event, it may be expected that this policy will deepen. Besides, Turkey may be accused of harming the possibility of Russian cooperation with West against ISIS. Russia will also probably push for Turkey’s isolation in the Syria talks, and increase its support for Assad and the PYD. Nonetheless, Russia has already more or less walked this line up until now.

Mehmet Yegin
Did Turkey overreact to Russia’s second-long violation? No! - The Journal of Turkish Weekly
 
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Turkey must understand that due to their action, one Russian citizen is killed, Russia obviously will not take it lightly.

what are you? a moron?

last year hundrets of turkish girls are mass raped by syrian government in a sugar factory.. up to today turks in syria are murdered by russians.. and you fart about one russian killer..?

we MUST do nothing what someone else wants..
 
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what are you? a moron?

last year hundrets of turkish girls are mass raped by syrian government in a sugar factory.. up to today turks in syria are murdered by russians.. and you fart about one russian killer..?

we MUST do nothing what someone else wants..
What is this rape incident that you're talking about? Any links?
 
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What is this rape incident that you're talking about? Any links?

that was from a video of turkman turks in syria they interviewed them and he told about that..it was about how all did start..

but for now I will search for it and if I find the video (in turkish only) I will post it maybe someone else has some links in english


edit @Abdullah S. I found the video its at 7:50 maybe someone has something from news site..

 
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boy, you are in trouble now. you'd better apologize to Russia before you hurt deep
Better Russia apologize to us for violating Turkish Air Zone otherwise we will send all their men to heaven, enslave their women and add to our harem...! :smitten:
 
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there is no place of emotion in diplomacy, and there is no harm to apologize for a silly mistakes (confusion).

Turkey must understand that due to their action, one Russian citizen is killed, Russia obviously will not take it lightly.

Turkey need a friend like Russia, who has ability to influence geopolitics. So take all possible steps specially next International conference to normalize the issue.

It is a must do task for Turkey.

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Of course there will be harm for both economies but Russia's loss will be even greater once we change the pipeline for natural gas its a big loss for them, plus they export more than we export. Secondly they have planned to sell their gas to Europe over Turkey as Bulgaria rejected and Ukraine is not their ally anymore. Third, there is a multi billion dollar nuclear plant project which Russia will build, they can lose it too. Japan is just waiting to build 1st plant too wide eyes open.

Russia's gas card is two sided blade which may hurt them more we got hurt. They can stop Turkish construction firms to work and try to stop Russian tourists to go to Turkey. ( Tourism share is between % 2 and 3 in total economy. Russians are coming second after Germans followed by Brits, Dutchs and other nationalities )

As I said, Russia's loss will be greater. Moreover Turkey was the closest economic partner of Russia within Nato, They didn't value our concerns for ASSad and they will pay dearly.
 
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Demanding an apology from Turkey is turning international law upside down. Let us first determine the legitimacy of Turkish actions. It all boils down to two things.

1. Did Russian aircraft violate Turkish airspace?
2. If they did, does international law allow shooting down of such aircraft?

First one can be resolved by bringing up evidence from both side. There will be number of parties observing this area so I'm sure there is no shortage of evidence. Any third party like ICJ can review such evidence. From what is available on Internet, it seems they did violate airspace and it was not the first time they did. Any dispute can be taken to international foras like UN or international court of justice. Apparently Russia is not keen on that for obvious reasons.

As far the second question, well yes, an aircraft can be shot down on violation of airspace after due warning. Will it be shot down is a different matter and involves number of factors like diplomatic fall outs, political fall outs, strength of nations and all that stuff. What however remains clear is that Turkey has the legitimate right to use lethal force against violating aircraft. How much violation is a violation? Any amount of violation is a violation and extends the same right. Airspace has the same sanctity as that of land and territorial waters and gives the same rights as that of violation of sovereignty.

Some Pakistani members have taken a weird line on this matter. We more than other nations should be well aware as to how this game of intimidation and coercion works. How narrative is built against a an entire nation branding it a terrorist supporter. How powerful neighbours want you to submit and tow their line. When some Pakistani disagrees with Turkish actions, he should well be ready to accept violation of Pakistani airspace from larger neighbours and even stronger foreign players. If we do not accept Turkish rights to raise concerns on Turkmen massacre at the hands of a brutal government and its foreign allies, we also loose the right to object to Kashmiri's killed at the hands of Indian troops. If it is fine for you support actions of Bashar al Asad then please support killing of Muslims in Gujrat at the hands of Modi as well. Support violation of Pakistan airspace by IAF and US. Also accept that Afghan and Russian aircraft that we shot down in 80s actually were victim of our aggression no matter they were violating our airspace. And if tomorrow India lands its forces in Afghanistan and starts bombing the crap out of Pashtun civillians calling them ISIS and then moving onto FATA, bomb our territory by just calling them terrorists and US a supporter of terrorism then we should, well cheer them, right? And on that day Turkish will watch and remain silent rather cheer Indian strikes on Kashmiris and FATA and I will ask you how you feel!

Nobody is asking you to send troops or something but by now we should have enough wisdom to know how media and diplomats launch an assault on a country and malign its image worldwide. Pakistanis more than anyone else should be able to understand how a Web is being built around Turkey, which somehow chose to rise from economic downfall and started to become more assertive. It's not about Erdogan or a party. It's about a nation who has just, very slightly shown signs of not taking dictation. It's them today, it might very well be us tomorrow. Choose wisely.
 
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Any fighter jet entering any other country and doesn't respond to the warnings has to be shot..

I totally agree with you. Epically if your unarmed fighter jet shot down by Syria Russian base in 2012 for the same reason and the neighbor is in war.(No need to mention Turkmens in Syria)

If you are living in banana republic:nana:, sure no need to make any intervention in such kind of event.
 
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