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Did the USSR really intend to attack Pakistan?

soviet never wanted to invade Afghanistan. They just wanted to protect their communist allies/puppets and pull out.

So invading Pakistan would be out of the question. They did breach Pakistani airspace once in a while to hit mujahideen targets but their mig-23s were not very useful against Pakistani f-16s.
 
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The Mujahideen, contrary to common belief, were not a resistance group. In fact, Brzezinski & Carter had already created the Mujahideen before the Soviets interfered in Afghanistan. The Soviets had been getting trouble from its Muslim population bent on separatism, & they thought the Mujahideen in Afghanistan would spur them on. Which they did of course. But the US deliberately created the Mujahideen to break up the Soviets, rather than actually protect Afghanistan, it didn't need protecting. The US wanted the Soviets to 'come out of their tracks' into Afghanistan, which they did, & eventually led to their demise. Pakistan just played along with the US & their great game against the Soviets.
 
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I have personally asked this question to many Russians...& the answer is same as is given by T-Faz. The theory of warm waters they recall is stupid as they can lease more than one port via India; also if they want to go to war with Pakistan we would already be crushed...

The fact is that they can't even crush a tiny Afghanistan.

Man, stop bellittling yourself and over glorifying your enemy!!!
 
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I have personally asked this question to many Russians...& the answer is same as is given by T-Faz. The theory of warm waters they recall is stupid as they can lease more than one port via India; also if they want to go to war with Pakistan we would already be crushed...

India wouldnt have given them one i once had a good chat with an ex colnel of the russian army in delhi he said ussr just wanted to spread communism and wante a direct access to the warm waters
 
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The fact is that they can't even crush a tiny Afghanistan.

Man, stop bellittling yourself and over glorifying your enemy!!!

Lol are you serious the pak army arent rats who will hide in caves and fight like the afghans did if the ussr wanted they could have crushed the entire sub continent ( india pak bangladesh )
 
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India wouldnt have given them one i once had a good chat with an ex colnel of the russian army in delhi he said ussr just wanted to spread communism and wante a direct access to the warm waters

Everyone knows that USSR was thirty for the warm water.

In the 1950s, they wanna militarily control all the ports in China, but Mao refused it.

This also became a factor of the Sino-Soviet split.
 
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Lol are you serious the pak army arent rats who will hide in caves and fight like the afghans did if the ussr wanted they could have crushed the entire sub continent ( india pak bangladesh )

Yeah, but the military occupation is another matter.

Even the modern USA, which is 30-40 years more advanced than the USSR at that period, even has the troubles to stay in Iraq.

Then do you expect from a weaker and more backward USSR to be?
 
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Yeah, but the military occupation is another matter.

Even the modern USA, which is 30-40 years more advanced than the USSR at that period, even has the troubles to stay in Iraq.

Then do you expect from a weaker and more backward USSR to be?

Ussr had an enormous inventory bigger than that of usa in those days if they wanted to attack any country who could have stoped them even today you give russians the money to refit all there equipments it would be an hell of a force and fire power
 
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Ussr had an enormous inventory bigger than that of usa in those days if they wanted to attack any country who could have stoped them even today you give russians the money to refit all there equipments it would be an hell of a force and fire power

Lol, if you truly believe the old day USSR is way more powerful than the modern day USA.

And the modern day Russia have pretty much lost all its production lines and qualified military technicians. How they can build up their war machines at a fast rate?
 
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The fact is that they can't even crush a tiny Afghanistan.

Man, stop bellittling yourself and over glorifying your enemy!!!

read my signature plz

India wouldnt have given them one i once had a good chat with an ex colnel of the russian army in delhi he said ussr just wanted to spread communism and wante a direct access to the warm waters
they could have used Iran for that...Iranians at that period would have welcomed them whole heartedly
 
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they could have used Iran for that...Iranians at that period would have welcomed them whole heartedly

Iran once had a long history of struggling against the colonization in Iran by the Russian Tzar.

The late USSR was basically a new version of the Russian Tzar, and i don't think Iran will love them in the deep of their heart.
 
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USSR controlled the massive oil and gas reserved of central Asia but very little potential to export them due to lack of access to warm waters. India could have provided access USSR navy for military and peacetime usage but that would not give it a pipeline route.
 
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USSR controlled the massive oil and gas reserved of central Asia but very little potential to export them due to lack of access to warm waters. India could have provided access USSR navy for military and peacetime usage but that would not give it a pipeline route.

India is a nation with soverignty, and it is also a non-communist country, even Mao refused to let USSR to control over our docks.
 
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Lol, if you truly believe the old day USSR is way more powerful than the modern day USA.

And the modern day Russia have pretty much lost all its production lines and qualified military technicians. How they can build up their war machines at a fast rate?

I was comparing the ussr with the us of there time and dont tell me you belive us had more war material than ussr
 
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My Opinion of the Russians Has Changed Most Drastically...
Monday, Jan. 14, 1980

So saying, Carter angrily halts grain sales and postpones SALT in a series of retaliations against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan It was as though a time warp had plunged the world back into an earlier and more dangerous era. Soviet divisions had swarmed across the border of a neighboring country and turned it into a new satellite. Moscow and Washington were exchanging very angry words. Jimmy Carter accused Soviet Communist Party Chief Leonid Brezhnev of lying, and the Soviets' TASS press agency shot back that Carter's statements were "bellicose and wicked." For Carter, the rapid series of events in Afghanistan seemed to provide a remarkable kind of revelation. Said he, sounding strikingly naive in an ABC television interview: "My opinion of the Russians has changed most drastically in the last week [more] than even in the previous 2 1/2 years before that." He added that it was "imperative" that "the leaders of the world make it clear to the Soviets that they cannot have taken this action to violate world peace ... without paying severe political consequences."
What those consequences might be was the subject of week-long strategy sessions, and then on Friday night Carter set forth his response to the bold Soviet challenge. Appearing for 13 minutes on nationwide television, he delivered the toughest speech of his presidency. Warned Carter: "Aggression unopposed becomes a contagious disease." He denounced the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan as "a deliberate effort by a powerful atheistic government to subjugate an independent Islamic people" and said that a "Soviet-occupied Afghanistan threatens both Iran and Pakistan and is a stepping-stone to their possible control over much of the world's oil supplies."
Carter then announced that he was sharply cutting the sale to the Soviets of two kinds of goods they desperately need: grain and advanced technology. Contracts for 17 million tons of grain, worth $2 billion, are being canceled. Soviet fishing privileges in American waters are also being severely curtailed, as are new cultural exchange programs; Carter further hinted that the U.S. might boycott this summer's Moscow Olympics. To shore up Afghanistan's neighbors, Carter said that the U.S. "along with other countries will provide military equipment, food and other assistance" to help Pakistan defend its independence.
These actions were only the latest in an escalating series of retaliatory moves. Carter officially requested the Senate to postpone any further consideration of the U.S.-Soviet treaty to limit strategic arms, once the chief symbol of superpower detente. The U.S. and nearly 50 other countries then called for an emergency session of the U.N. Security Council to condemn the latest Soviet aggression. That meeting convened on Saturday. And the U.S. summoned Ambassador Thomas J. Watson Jr. home from Moscow for consultations. (Not even during the crisis triggered by the Soviet invasions of Hungary in 1956 and of Czechoslovakia in 1968 was the American ambassador recalled from Moscow.)

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to the decade-long Soviet military buildup). Irritating Moscow too was the prospect that while it was not going to get most-favored-nation trading benefits from Washington, it seemed certain that Peking was going to get them. That would violate the principle of'evenhanded' treatment of the two Communist powers, which Carter had promised when he normalized relations with China.
"Taken together, these developments created an atmosphere in which the Soviets felt no particular need to be cautious. Some well-informed Soviet sources privately admit that the Kremlin had become disenchanted with the course of detente and had decided to thumb its nose at the U.S. Had Afghanistan not come along, say these Soviet insiders, something else probably would have happened to permit Moscow to demonstrate that it no longer felt restrained by détente."
Moscow's primary purpose in invading Afghanistan, most experts agree, was simply to tighten its control of that rebellious country. The tide of Islamic fervor, which had already shaken Iran, was now threatening Afghanistan. Unless it were checked, might it not also spread across the border into the Soviet Central Asian Republics and stir unrest among their substantial Islamic populations? Thus Soviet leaders probably felt that they had only two options: 1) to allow a Moscow-leaning socialist state on their border to dissolve into chaos and possibly pass into the hands of Muslim fanatics or 2) to move forcefully to take control of events. A Soviet foreign affairs analyst told TIME'S Nelan that "it was not easy for us to make this decision, but we were committed in Afghanistan from the beginning." Employing a rationale heard frequently in Washington in the 1960s to explain the growing U.S. presence in South Viet Nam, the Soviet official added: "Whether we like it or not, we have to liva up to our commitments. We can't wash our hands of them. There was no other choice." To describe this Soviet use of military force to restore hegemony over Afghanistan, the British embassy in Moscow, in a cable to London, used the strange term defensive aggression.
Besides securing a hold on Afghanistan, the Soviets may have had other reasons to launch their invasion. For one, the invasion could be part of a long-range strategy to gain influence over Pakistan, Iran and other Persian Gulf nations. Says a senior British official: "The Soviets have a vested interest in getting an influence in Iran. The prize in political, economic and military terms would be enormous. It would, place them in a position of being able to turn off the oil tap for Western consumers almost at will when the oil shortage starts to really bite later in the 1980s." It would also put them in a position of having immediate access to the gulf's rich petroleum reserves when, in the next few years, the U.S.S.R.'s domestic output of oil is expected to start falling short of its internal needs.
Beyond any specific and immediate goals, the Soviets may also have intended their invasion of Afghanistan to demonstrate to Pakistan and Iran what happens to unruly neighbors. This is a message that Moscow may be particularly interested in sending to China in an effort to restrain Peking's maneuverings both in Southeast Asia and along the 4,500-mile Sino-Soviet frontier.


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I guess that answers the questions
 
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