Did Syria Sink an Israeli Submarine?

[The SC]

A story out of Syria claiming it sunk a German built nuclear armed submarine operated by the government of Israel has not only been partially confirmed, but that a fully confirmed nuclear attack on Syria is now believed to have been Israeli retaliation for that sinking.

It is reported that the Israeli Dolphin submarine, a German built diesel/electric craft, was attacked and sunk by a Syrian Navy torpedo boat at 2:30 AM, May 2, 2013 while at a depth of 150 meters. Prior to the sinking, a ship operated by Germany’s intelligence services had been in the area.

After the reported, or should we say “unreported” sinking of the Israeli submarine and the equally “unreported” nuclear attack on Syria, a large contingent of Russian naval vessels moved into area.

Evidence is piling up, backing this scenario as one where Russia was forced to use its military capabilities to stabilize the region and defuse a wider conflict.


Was the Nuke Attack of May 4/5 Retaliation?A story out of Syria claiming it sunk a German built nuclear armed submarine operated by the government of Israel has not only been partially confirmed, but that a fully confirmed nuclear attack on Syria is now believed to have been Israeli retaliation for that sinking.

It is reported that the Israeli Dolphin submarine, a German built diesel/electric craft, was attacked and sunk by a Syrian Navy torpedo boat at 2:30 AM, May 2, 2013 while at a depth of 150 meters. Prior to the sinking, a ship operated by Germany’s intelligence services had been in the area.

After the reported, or should we say “unreported” sinking of the Israeli submarine and the equally “unreported” nuclear attack on Syria, a large contingent of Russian naval vessels moved into area.

Evidence is piling up, backing this scenario as one where Russia was forced to use its military capabilities to stabilize the region and defuse a wider conflict.

The video analysis of the nuclear attack, two days after the reported sinking, is conclusive.

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What had been in question was the “why?” There was no evidence that Syria had a target that would justify the risk of Israel using a nuclear weapon. Initial assumptions were that Syria may have had an underground nuclear facility but that proved to be groundless.

What drove Israel then?

Now we may well have the answer. The report came from Syrianews. This is the publication that reported the use of chemical weapons by rebel forces on March 19 near Aleppo. They have legitimate sources, certainly more than any mainstream media, and report in a serious and credible manner.

There are also broad confirmations that Israel has lost an F 16 during the conflict.
Saturday, May 25th, 2013 | Posted by Gordon Duff
Did Syria Sink an Israeli Submarine?
Was the Nuke Attack of May 4/5 Retaliation?
A story out of Syria claiming it sunk a German built nuclear armed submarine operated by the government of Israel has not only been partially confirmed, but that a fully confirmed nuclear attack on Syria is now believed to have been Israeli retaliation for that sinking.

It is reported that the Israeli Dolphin submarine, a German built diesel/electric craft, was attacked and sunk by a Syrian Navy torpedo boat at 2:30 AM, May 2, 2013 while at a depth of 150 meters. Prior to the sinking, a ship operated by Germany’s intelligence services had been in the area.

After the reported, or should we say “unreported” sinking of the Israeli submarine and the equally “unreported” nuclear attack on Syria, a large contingent of Russian naval vessels moved into area.

Evidence is piling up, backing this scenario as one where Russia was forced to use its military capabilities to stabilize the region and defuse a wider conflict.

The video analysis of the nuclear attack, two days after the reported sinking, is conclusive.

YouTube - Veterans Today -

What had been in question was the “why?” There was no evidence that Syria had a target that would justify the risk of Israel using a nuclear weapon. Initial assumptions were that Syria may have had an underground nuclear facility but that proved to be groundless.

What drove Israel then?

Now we may well have the answer. The report came from Syrianews. This is the publication that reported the use of chemical weapons by rebel forces on March 19 near Aleppo. They have legitimate sources, certainly more than any mainstream media, and report in a serious and credible manner.

There are also broad confirmations that Israel has lost an F 16 during the conflict.


Nuclear Flash, Syria, May 4, 2013, Scale of Frame – 15 miles

This would be the second submarine Israel has lost. The former HMS Token, renamed the Dakar by Israel when it was given to them by Britain in 1967 “disappeared” with all hands. There has been broad speculation that the US Navy sunk the Dakar in retaliation for the Israeli attack that killed and wounded over 200 American sailors on the USS Liberty a year before. Israel now openly admits to attacking the Liberty, claiming that the United States was spying for Egypt during the 1967 Six Day War.

 

[Ahiska]

Dont believe it for that the Syrian military is to incompetent

 

[Dillinger]

An unreported nuclear attack. What can one say, the author and the OP are numskulls.

 

[The SC]

The video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm7ObVSix7w
This is the Video:

An unreported nuclear attack. What can one say, the author and the OP are numskulls.

Keep your insults for your face, and go browse the web.......................................................................................

 

[Dillinger]

The video:

This is the Video:

Keep your insults for your face, and go browse the web.......................................................................................

Oh, I am indeed insulting you, well your intelligence at least.

Because no country in the ME has seismic or radio-logical sensors right?

How do you think independent quantification of yields or even the identification of nuclear tests are achieved, even a 20kt warhead detonated beneath the ground after proper decoupling can be sensed by seismic sensors ACROSS continents.

Lets say it was a TNW, at which point it would be by dint of its low yield (in the sub-kiloton range) an ERW, sensors all across Turkey would have lit up like a Christmas tree and Turkey would have been up Israel's keister so hard and so far up that Bibi would probably not be able to swallow a single morsel.

 

[The SC]

Oh, I am indeed insulting you, well your intelligence at least.

Because no country in the ME has seismic or radio-logical sensors right?

How do you think independent quantification of yields or even the identification of nuclear tests are achieved, even a 20kt warhead detonated beneath the ground after proper decoupling can be sensed by seismic sensors ACROSS continents.

Lets say it was a TNW, at which point it would be by dint of its low yield (in the sub-kiloton range) an ERW, sensors all across Turkey would have lit up like a Christmas tree and Turkey would have been up Israel's keister so hard and so far up that Bibi would probably not be able to swallow a single morsel.

You can insult your face again not me nor my intelligence, the video shows clearly a flash that is associated with a nuclear detonation, no need for you to explain what yield it had, so go insult the video makers and the commentator and youtube and the net and the whole world if you want, that is all you can do with you low level intelligence.

 

[Dillinger]

You can insult your face again not me nor my intelligence, the video shows clearly a flash that is associated with a nuclear detonation, no need for you to explain what yield it had, so go insult the video makers and the commentator and youtube and the net and the whole world if you want, that is all you can do with you low level intelligence.

A flash!

Ever seen a POL dump or an ammunition storage dump go up in flames, pretty terrific flash, or maybe a fertilizer factory. Or if you're a fan of mushroom clouds then a Plinian eruption will do the trick.

The rules of physics don't bend for anyone, any such radio-logical activity would have been picked up by sensors all over the place.

The yield was brought in to cover all bases. Any detonation within the kiloton range would have been picked up by everything from sats to seismic sensors AND any sub-kiloton yield detonation would still be picked up by radio-logical sensors. This, bub, is a FACT.

@Aeronaut @Oscar Do the needful, please.

 

[The SC]

A flash!

Ever seen a POL dump or an ammunition storage dump go up in flames, pretty terrific flash, or maybe a fertilizer factory. Or if you're a fan of mushroom clouds then a Plinian eruption will do the trick.

The rules of physics don't bend for anyone, any such radio-logical activity would have been picked up by sensors all over the place.

The yield was brought in to cover all bases. Any detonation within the kiloton range would have been picked up by everything from sats to seismic sensors AND any sub-kiloton yield detonation would still be picked up by radio-logical sensors. This, bub, is a FACT.

@Aeronaut @Oscar Do the needful, please.

They are talking about a nuclear typical flash, not the ammunition dumps explosions like in so many other videos. The video is only 40 seconds, take the time to look and listen to the commentator, at the end he says it is definitly a nucler explosion. Or better yet ask you expert friends to analyse the Video for you.

 

[Dillinger]

They are talking about a nuclear typical flash, not the ammunition dumps explosions like in so many other videos. The video is only 40 seconds, take the time to look and listen to the commentator, at the end he says it is definitly a nucler explosion. Or better yet ask you expert friends to analyse the Video for you.

Yes, nuclear explosion, because I saw a flash!

Is there something fundamentally and/or congenitally flawed as far as your comprehension is concerned, or are you disputing that a nuclear explosion CANNOT be hidden and ergo cannot go unreported? Because if its the latter then I will leave you in the care of the Mods.

@Yzd Khalifa

Apparently KSA has been unable to identify a nuclear explosion in the region.

Enjoy!

 

[Dillinger]

WAIT! @500 You sneaky buggers have found a way to hit someone with a nuke and make sure it goes undetected, OK, what will it take for you folks to transfer the technology to us.

 

[The SC]

The video analysis of the nuclear attack, two days after the reported sinking, is conclusive.

Did Syria Sink an Israeli Submarine? | Veterans Today

F-16 loss, a humiliation for Israel

Israel announced on July 8 that one of their F-16s suffered a mechanical failure off the coast of Gaza. A military spokesman for the Israeli Air Force (IAF) said both pilots were recovered. The plane is said to have crashed into the Mediterranean Sea.


Almost no part of this story is true. It makes as much sense as the story of the American Navy putting 22 Navy Seals on a National Guard helicopter. Nobody bought that one.

Israel did lose an F-16. They are unable to hide the fact that one of their first line aircraft is no longer in “inventory.”

Did Israel, as multiple reports now indicate, and perhaps even confirm, really lose an F-16 and its crew of two to a Syrian S-300 missile 48 hours before the claimed incident and over 400 miles from the claimed location?

On May 4, 2013, the Syrian Navy sunk an Israeli Dolphin submarine. Israel, unwilling to accept the public humiliation of such a loss: a disaster of such a proportion to its citizens has been repainting hull numbers and shuffling crew rosters on its remaining submarines for two months.
Lost aircraft, or something like a Dolphin submarine, especially during an offensive operation, are routinely never disclosed to the public for a variety of reason. Informed sources have disclosed that the F-16 training accident reported off the coast of Gaza was cover for their plane lost in the Syrian warehouse attack which is claimed was targeted as an S-300 component part base.

This 'attack' sounded fishy to us right away, starting with it being reported by Global Research which is an organization rumored to have “complex allegiances.”

First, these missiles systems are roll on roll off mobile launching systems designed to be deployed rapidly. Upon arrival they can be ready to fire within...well...you wouldn't believe it.

Second, S-300 components or inventory missiles would never be stored in an exposed warehouse facility where they would be sitting ducks. Each missile battalion moves continually and keeps its inventory moving with it.

Historically, the most effective way of destroying S-300 missiles is by crashing aircraft into them or, perhaps, the other way around.

Third, highly trained pilots, and Israel has them, are trained to defeat air defense systems. That said, the Israelis could possibly initiate and attack flying in at 50 feet. Our sources tell us the explosion in the photo shown by Global Research fit that of a 2000lb iron bomb, the standard payload for an F-16B. But while getting in is one thing, getting out alive is something entirely different.

For the Israelis not losing pilots has been a major morale booster for their people for decades now. During the 1973 war, Soviet SAMS over Syria destroyed much of the Israeli Air Force. American planes were quickly repainted with the Israeli Star of David with American pilots thrown into the breach, something long left out of that story even after all of this time.
This was the real reason for the oil embargo against the United States that put the American economy into a free fall that we have yet to recover from.

The Israelis have their nuclear weapons to threaten a Sampson option response, but that would be the end of the Zionist experiment, and unfortunately a lot of Holy Land architecture. But for the Zionists to confront Russia, or any major power they have not already neutralized is something they know they can't do. They have to count on the US to act as their attack dog.

We would never have known that there was an attack had Israel chosen not to gloat by leaking their “triumph” through the blogosphere. The loss of a single aircraft would not be an embarrassment were it not for two minor issues.

Nothing debunks the success of a mission to destroy air defenses more than losing a plane to those defenses. High level sources in the Department of Defense indicate that Israel has long bragged of their ability to use “homegrown” ECM (Electronic Counter Measures) to defeat S-300.

When Israel next calls the Pentagon, yarmulke in hand, egg on their face, their tone will be more restrained.

Need we discuss the 2% success rate of the Iron Dome?

The loss of a single aircraft is relatively easy to sweep under the rug, but a major engagement would see the planes raining down like they did in 1973, though a complete media lock down kept that information from becoming common knowledge.

One of the reasons America has been so aggressive in forward basing is to get their missiles in strategic positions to be used for effective offense or defense in the region.

As the new Russian missile defense technology which will make conventional piloted planes deathtraps is fully deployed, the West's abilities to take land by force without significant consequences will be history.

All planned attacks have contingency plans of cover and deception built into them to hide the failed missions from their own citizens. They do this through the liberal use of national security classifications that hide the truth from the American people.

This has been an ongoing threat to American national security for some time as mistakes never acknowledged can never be fixed. The designation of operations as classified or top secret can also be used to cover up those that serve the interests of foreign governments while undermining American interests.

The real cause of death, if these pilots did die, is hubris. Syria will never admit the attack. Syria can’t even claim the “kill.”

They fear Israeli desperation, and well they should.

MC/KA

PressTV - F-16 loss, a humiliation for Israel​

 

[The SC]

Low-Yield Earth-Penetrating Nuclear Weapons

Critics argue that adding low-yield warheads to the world's nuclear inventory simply makes their eventual use more likely. In fact, a 1994 law currently prohibits the nuclear laboratories from undertaking research and development that could lead to a precision nuclear weapon of less than 5 kilotons (KT), because "low-yield nuclear weapons blur the distinction between nuclear and conventional war."

http://www.fas.org/faspir/2001/v54n1/weapons.htm

 

[The SC]

Tactical Nuclear Weapons

From a practical standpoint, the advantage of a small nuclear bomb is that it can pack so much explosive force into such a small space. (See How Nuclear Bombs Work for details.) The B61-11 can carry a nuclear charge with anywhere between a 1-kiloton (1,000 tons of TNT) and a 300-kiloton yield. For comparison, the bomb used on Hiroshima had a yield of approximately 15 kilotons. The shock wave from such an intense underground explosion would cause damage deep in the earth and would presumably destroy even the most well-fortified bunker.

HowStuffWorks "Tactical Nuclear Weapons"

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Another reason is the smell of gas in the air reported after the strike, people claiming it was like an earthquake, lightening in the cloud a few moments after the huge blast and the fact that the said target was a research facility which more than likely would have underground fortified bunkers.

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Striking evidence of the use of American EPW (Earth Penetrating Weapons) nuclear weapons in Syria has come to light. Experts say the proof is irrefutable.

Submitted for analysis, the footage was compared with tests of the 37,000-pound MOB (Massive Ordnance Penetrator), designed by Boeing to be used against Iran’s underground facilities. There was no similarity whatsoever noted between the Syrian “event” and a conventional “bunker buster” including the GBU 57, the largest conventional weapon every to be used.

More Proof
Colonel James Hanke, former Defense Attaché and Liaison between the Pentagon and Netanyahu’s government , reviewed the footage.
He indicated that the GBU 57 is considered too high a risk for use because of its danger to the earth’s crust.

The Syrian/African fault line spreads into Israel. Were it to be subjected to this kind of explosive power, the threat of an earthquake doing significant damage in Israel is a reality. The nuclear bunker busters have far less penetrating power and, I am not saying that this was a nuclear device, not until more evidence is in, but the ‘event profile’ shows striking similarities.

The other problem with the GBU 57 is delivery. Only two aircraft are capable of delivering this weapon, the B-52 and B-2 Stealth Bomber. Israel does not have these aircraft.

PressTV - Was Syria 'nuked'?

 

[al-Hasani]

Another PISS TV addict.

Since when has that failed Nusayri regime archived anything? They are slaves of mainly the Ruskies and the Farsis. Highest level of treason due to the connections with the last entity. They even sided against Iraq under the Nusayri rule of Hafiz.

This pathetic Nusayri regime cannot even control 50% of their own country. Israel have been occupying Syrian territory (Golan Heights) for 40 years and those fools are claiming to have sunk an Israeli Submarine?

If it was made out of toy I will believe it.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

interesting @Windjammer @deterrent