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Did PMLN Discretely Supported and Participated in Jihadi Activities in the Past

I was taking of the 80s era, nevertheless if talks fail back to Jihad again.
Yes to please Gen. Zia.

and also like you said.PMLN’s actual thinking was:


“They were telling them then to put the house in order, the times have changed. We cannot bear the crunch of diplomatic isolation and be a pariah state. To tell you the truth we have never been a NORMAL state thanks to few individuals since our inception.”


That including the 80s.
 
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Yes to please Gen. Zia.

and also like you said.PMLN’s actual thinking was:


“They were telling them then to put the house in order, the times have changed. We cannot bear the crunch of diplomatic isolation and be a pariah state. To tell you the truth we have never been a NORMAL state thanks to few individuals since our inception.”


That including the 80s.
Every decade had its own fervour, seeing the Taliban back in business, you never know what will come next. Let the civilians decide the matters not the Govt employees.
30 years ago dictatorship was normal, now times have changed. Countries have progressed when they adopted civilian supremacy.

If China exerts pressure on the LAC why not put pressure on the LOC.
Many from the Punjabi heartlands will volunteer again in their thousands.
 
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Every decade had its own fervour, seeing the Taliban back in business, you never know what will come next. Let the civilians decide the matters not the Govt employees.
30 years ago dictatorship was normal, now times have changed. Countries have progressed when they adopted civilian supremacy.

If China exerts pressure on the LAC why not put pressure on the LOC.
Many from the Punjabi heartlands will volunteer again in their thousands.
That’s a different topic. What was MNS thought process is clear in dawn leaks. He didn’t believed in what this thread is trying to credit him for. He can’t have it both ways.
 
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What was MNS thought process is clear in dawn leaks. He didn’t believed in what this thread is trying to credit him for. He can’t have it both ways.
All one-sided views should allow the media to listen to his point of view as well. Nevertheless, some people will always dislike him one way or the other, not my issue atm.
 
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All one-sided views should allow the media to listen to his point of view as well. Nevertheless, some people will always dislike him one way or the other, not my issue atm.
Bhai I am just quoting what you said:

“They were telling them then to put the house in order, the times have changed. We cannot bear the crunch of diplomatic isolation and be a pariah state. To tell you the truth we have never been a NORMAL state thanks to few individuals since our inception.


That including the 80s. Which proves that he never was in favor but went with the time due to being an opportunist.
 
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That including the 80s. He never was in favor but went with the time due to being opportunist.
Those who said LABAIK to the call 35 years ago including his ministers are standing firmly with him like a ROCK even today. None have ever pointed a finger at him. Other than the Gujrati Chaudry and SR all are still there.
 
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Those who said LABAIK to the call 35 years ago including his ministers are standing firmly with him like a ROCK even today. None have ever pointed a finger at him. Other than the Gujrati Chaudry and SR all are still there.
Bro that was Gen. Zia’s policy. NS just went with it as we all know that allowed him to rise in power.

Like you explained what was being said in dawn leaks basically shows his real thoughts. It disproves the whole narrative of this thread also. Again by their own words and not by mine or any analysts’.
 
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Bro that was Gen. Zia’s policy. NS just went with it as we all know that allowed him to rise in power.
Agree
Like you explained what was being said in dawn leaks basically shows his real thoughts.
If he is meeting Modi regularly to sort out the issues and our Establishment is working to the contrary(i will not name the incidents), it does not happen in a NORMAL country.
It disproves the whole narrative of this thread also
Give peace a chance if one is trying even our Prophet PBUH says that. In Hindsight Modi has proved himself more SILLY than many had thought of. Maybe someone in communication with him had the insight.
 
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If he is meeting Modi regularly to sort out the issues and our Establishment is working to the contrary(i will not name the incidents), it does not happen in a NORMAL country.
He was working with Modi and trying to give Jindal access to Afghan mines. That would have helped make Indian interest even stronger.

Give peace a chance if one is trying even our Prophet PBUH says that. In Hindsight Modi has proved himself more SILLY than many had thought of. Maybe someone in communication with him had the insight.
Peace is achieved on equal terms. Not by capitulation to the point he refused to meet hurriyat leadership (the peaceful political face of Kashmir movement) and instead prioritized Jindal family and Shabana Azmi. He met an actress instead of Hurriyat…
 
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He was working with Modi and trying to give Jindal access to Afghan mines.
What does MNS got to do with Afghan Mines.! Cant he get them later! India has wasted billions there, money gone wasted.
Peace is achieved on equal terms.
More than equal, the Indian PM coming uninvited to Pakistan, never heard of that. In fact Modi got a lot of FLAK from his media and politicians.
Not by capitulation to the point he refused to meet hurriyat leadership (the peaceful political face of Kashmir movement)
Hurriet never took the issue only ARY was crying like hell. In the last few years has any one met them lately!
nstead prioritized Jindal family and Shabana Azmi.
IK invited cricketers to his inauguration instead of Harriet! IK knows a hundred times more Indian actors, businessmen and politicians than MNS. The web is full of it.
 
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What does MNS got to do with Afghan Mines.! Cant he get them later! India has wasted billions there, money gone wasted.
Route via Pakistan. It’s quoted in indian media.

More than equal, the Indian PM coming uninvited to Pakistan, never heard of that. In fact Modi got a lot of FLAK from his media and politicians.
More than equal, the Indian PM coming uninvited to Pakistan, never heard of that. In fact Modi got a lot of FLAK from his media and politicians.
Of course, invited and without visa.

Hurriet never took the issue only ARY was crying like hell. In the last few years has any one met them lately!
Crying would have made their situation more precarious so it was better to keep quite.

IK invited cricketers to his inauguration instead of Harriet! IK knows a hundred times more Indian actors, businessmen and politicians than MNS. The web is full of it.
It was a visit to india. Not meeting hurriyat by a visiting Pakistani leader was unprecedented.

Back to the topic in the end it all just again disproves the narrative of this thread.
 
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Route via Pakistan. It’s quoted in indian media.
Any link.
Crying would have made their situation more precarious so it was better to keep quite.
Has any one spoken them after that!
It was a visit to india. Not meeting hurriyat by a visiting Pakistani leader was unprecedented.
They are other ways of communication and they were in contact. Plus Syed Gillani was in Srinagar. The PM of AJK talks to them regularly. Weeks later MNS made a speech on Burhan Wani in UN and Kashmiris were happy.
In the end it all just again disproves the narrative of this thread.
I respect your opinion and have no intentions to change it.
 
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Any link.

Has any one spoken them after that!
They will not. They can’t open fronts in Pakistani politics and dilute theirs. But is it hard to judge that they wouldn’t have been happy…

They are other ways of communication and they were in contact. Plus Syed Gillani was in Srinagar. The PM of AJK talks to them regularly. Weeks later MNS made a speech on Burhan Wani in UN and Kashmiris were happy.
It not about communication but about the message being sent to the whole world by this action and the optics.

I respect your opinion and have no intentions to change it.

Thanks bro. But the credit goes to the words of PMLN leaders as leaked by dawn not mine.
 
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Route via Pakistan. It’s quoted in indian media.
Who is quoting Pakistani media.
It not about communication but about the message being sent by sidelining Hurriyat
Can agree partially, Mir waiz and Gillani were not available. Nevertheless the UN speech boosted the morale of the Kashmiris.

I enjoyed debating with you, have a great day.
 
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Who is quoting Pakistani media.
No they are quoting JSW’s Shehanger Rao(indian) and other sources.

Can agree partially, Mir waiz and Gillani were not available. Nevertheless the UN speech boosted the morale of the Kashmiris.

I enjoyed debating with you, have a great day.
Thank you and you too:)

but putting all of the above together basically proves that NS never truly supported the struggle. Except when he was under Gen. Zia’s shadow for his own gains.
 
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