Did Pakistan Bought Sensor Fused Bombs And J Dams

[Jigs]

@taimi are JDAMs better then these sensor fuzed cluster bombs?

JDAMS are basically Iron bombs with guidance kits installed to turn them into smart munitions. Sensor fuzed cluster bombs are bombs which have guided cluster munitions to blanket large areas more accurately. I would have to say the cluster bombs are more advanced.

They serve different purpose though. JDAM would be ideal for hitting buildings as it will put more destructive power into a smaller area while cluster bombs will blanket large areas but are almost always used for anti vehicle/anti infantry because their power in spread over a large area.

JDAM

BLU-108 censor fused cluster bomb

 

[TaimiKhan]

@taimi are JDAMs better then these sensor fuzed cluster bombs?

Comparing both is not accurate, as both are for different purposes.

JDAM is for hitting precise targets, one JDAM per one target. While as for this CBU-105, they are cluster bomb which has small bombs which need to be dispersed right above its target and even then, there are chances that many of the small bombs would be missing their targets and if the target is moving, then more chances of a miss. CBU-105s are good for targets which are stationary, plus compared to JDAM, its range is also limited and the destructive power is less compared to a JDAM, which can be strapped to a 2000KG bomb if required.

Here see the video of the smaller bombs going of over the target, you can see a lot of misses too, but if large number of vehicles are there, then they are deadly. Plus, aircraft can become vulnerable too and if mobile SAM is there to cover the armored formations, then less chance that the attack would become successful.

********.com - CBU-97/CBU-105 Sensor Fuzed Weapon

In my view, you need good or complete air superiority to have successful attacks from such weapon.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

So bro wat abt our Hajara Anti Armour Cluster bomb? is tht guided?

 

[maverick1977]

Trickey questions, Lets define Sensor fuzed cluster bomb. sensor fuzed cluster bomb can make a differentiation between a tank and a person on the ground. based on that it can release either slug based bomblets on personnals or can realease iron bomblets on tanks...

Now JDAMS are made by using existing bombs like MK82, MK83, MK 81 or 82s and hence converting them to glide bomb units which can use GPS/INS to accurately travel to their target. Once at the target, they can hit with all the ammunition in it, hence causing maximum damage or else once they reach their targets, they can dispense their cluster ammunition.

Now Pakistan has its own cluster bombs, it can convert these dumb free fall bombs into intelligent bombs by using JDAM kits and then dispense on its enemies at a distance. however, they wont be intelligent enough to make a difference between armor and personnel on the ground...

 

[TaimiKhan]

So bro wat abt our Hajara Anti Armour Cluster bomb? is tht guided?

Its not guided, its free fall one, which needs to be dropped over the target.

But the technique can be used on the Ra'ad and Babur CMs, or even any local made PGM can be used to convert any bomb into a cluster bomb thingy, but for that you need the exact location of the target.

Here a more detailed video showing how this thing works, just like how you see cruise missiles releasing these bombs, ours can be used to drop cluster bombs too, even ballistic missile warheads can have sub munition types, MBRL can have rockets which can release smaller bombs to cover wide area, but these sensor fuzed ones are intelligent ones, we and many others have the normal ones.

 

[SEAL]

Hajara weight is 200Kg with 247 bomblets.
They need to double its weight and number of bomblets than its destruction effect will be more than CBU.

 

[sergente rehan]

We are entering in a new era. Now we will see for real all those fantasy movies coming true, the so called intelligent weapons! man aren't these cluster bombs banned by UN and the western countries were among those who supported the most this decision? like that of closing the production of anti man mines etc.? and now the U.S. is trying to evolve these cluster bombs into intelligent one! Anyway the cost is prety high.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

So many pointless threads.... No need to open threads for which the answer can be found with a little bit of research.

 

[BATMAN]

US is supplying such bombs to India as a counter measure for al-Khalid tanks.

In addition to covert supply of nuclear bombs, kind of green signal for first strike.

 

[wild_fire1979]

US is supplying such bombs to India as a counter measure for al-Khalid tanks.

In addition to covert supply of nuclear bombs, kind of green signal for first strike.

Thats really stretching your level of imagination to its limits.
It is simply a smart cluster bomb. Period.

Threat perception keeps changing for armies around the world, the later respond by upgrading equipment and tactics. Pakistani army does the same and so does Indian army.

The simple truth is, India right now has the political and financial clout to buy this equipment, so they are buying it. Not too long ago Pakistan enjoyed this same clout so they went ahead and bought F-16s while India had to contend with Mig 29s.

 

[Super Falcon]

i personally dont think so pakistan have or producing guided smart bombs like these

 

[Veeru]

Comparing both is not accurate, as both are for different purposes.

JDAM is for hitting precise targets, one JDAM per one target. While as for this CBU-105, they are cluster bomb which has small bombs which need to be dispersed right above its target and even then, there are chances that many of the small bombs would be missing their targets and if the target is moving, then more chances of a miss. CBU-105s are good for targets which are stationary, plus compared to JDAM, its range is also limited and the destructive power is less compared to a JDAM, which can be strapped to a 2000KG bomb if required.

Here see the video of the smaller bombs going of over the target, you can see a lot of misses too, but if large number of vehicles are there, then they are deadly. Plus, aircraft can become vulnerable too and if mobile SAM is there to cover the armored formations, then less chance that the attack would become successful.

********.com - CBU-97/CBU-105 Sensor Fuzed Weapon

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In my view, you need good or complete air superiority to have successful attacks from such weapon.

Yes, you are right "Comparing both is not accurate, as both are for different purposes."

But, here i must add that for both JDAM or Sensor Fused weapon CBU-105 one needs air superiority. As both can be fired from very close distance.

One must understand that

a. JDAM don';t have long range.

b. Can only be fired with air superiority.

c. Don't have good maneuverability skills.

d. As the very first video of thread suggest that F16 can only take 2 CBU 105 that means pakistan can have only 2 JDAM guided bomb that too with short range and can't penetrate deep inside enemy territory.


India have not brought JDAM because we have othe arrangements and IAF version of Brahmos for that purpose.

1. Brahmos with its 290 kms range can penetrate deep inside enemy territory.

2. Brahmos have very good maneuverability plus its ground hugging cruise missile trajectory.

3. Su-30 MKI can take 3 Brahmos at a time.

So India have upper hand in both CBU-105 most advance and battle proven cluster bomb and IAF version of Brahmos missile to take out high value target singularly.

thanks

 

[mjnaushad]

I was wondering what if they make Cluster bomb which can be launched from ground. Like if a battalion of tanks approching and the defensive position will fire one ATGM then 2nd then 3rd instead of this just fire one ground launched Cluster bomb which goes into air upto 1000 feet (Like javelin go to 500 feet) or whatever height it require and then work same as it does when droped from sky.

Tell me am i stupid or Is this a good idea.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Yes, you are right "Comparing both is not accurate, as both are for different purposes."

But, here i must add that for both JDAM or Sensor Fused weapon CBU-105 one needs air superiority. As both can be fired from very close distance.

One must understand that

a. JDAM don';t have long range.

b. Can only be fired with air superiority.

c. Don't have good maneuverability skills.

d. As the very first video of thread suggest that F16 can only take 2 CBU 105 that means pakistan can have only 2 JDAM guided bomb that too with short range and can't penetrate deep inside enemy territory.


India have not brought JDAM because we have othe arrangements and IAF version of Brahmos for that purpose.

1. Brahmos with its 290 kms range can penetrate deep inside enemy territory.

2. Brahmos have very good maneuverability plus its ground hugging cruise missile trajectory.

3. Su-30 MKI can take 3 Brahmos at a time.

So India have upper hand in both CBU-105 most advance and battle proven cluster bomb and IAF version of Brahmos missile to take out high value target singularly.

thanks

First of all yeah i agree, MKI and Brahmos are both from Mars and are alien technology and have no competitor and are awesome

As for your other observations:

a. JDAM don';t have long range.

Here check this below link and see how Chinese have given a 60KM range to their JDAM-kit equipped bomb by just giving it wings, this is a simple JDAM kit with wings, SDB by US is a good example, same technique can be used with other JDAM bombs if US wants to.

LeiShi-6 Precision Guided Glide Bomb - SinoDefence.com

b. Can only be fired with air superiority.

CBU-105s are more useful for vehicles or soft fixed targets and have not enough capability to destroy hardened targets, while JDAMs are most useful to hit hardened structures/bridges and other stuff, thus for JDAMs to be used complete air superiority is not required as it can be taken onto an airplane deep inside a country and launch it, while CBU-105s have limited use on the battlefield.

c. Don't have good maneuverability skills.

Both are to be used primarily to hit stationary target and in case of the CBUs slow moving targets can be targeted, thus maneuverability is not their main objective.

d. As the very first video of thread suggest that F16 can only take 2 CBU 105 that means pakistan can have only 2 JDAM guided bomb that too with short range and can't penetrate deep inside enemy territory.

Ever heard of multiple ejector racks ?? Do search about it and might give you an idea that multiple JDAMs can be carried on a single hard point. Plus, we don't have just JDAMS, we have our own long range stand off weapon systems in the shape of Ra'ad CM, H-series of AWC made platforms and others.

 

[blain2]

In our context, you do not need complete air superiority to carry out BAI sorties. It helps to have it, but in the case of IAF, PAF, this will go on because we will have gaps and those will be exploited and neither side has a fleet large enough to plug all of the gaps at all times.

Given this situation, cluster munitions like the CBU-105s are a considerable threat, but the Pakistani snake-eye and hijara munitions are pretty significant anti-armour capabilities as well. I think the next round (God forbid) would be a pretty intense and bloody one as the forces on the ground will have to take pretty significant punishment from the air on both sides.

While Pakistan is not in possession of CBU-105s, we have ample stocks of indigenously developed cluster munitions which in many ways make up for lack of precision afforded by the CBU-105s. The bomblets in the cluster munitions being produced by AWC are also top attack so it will remain fairly effective against any Indian armour.

Lastly, Pakistan and Turkey are currently working on next generation cluster munitions as well under an agreement signed in Musharraf's time (circa 2008).