DID Nawaz really say Pakistan army back stabbed India?

[B.K.N]

Not sure what you mean by this. Expand on this more please.

That dessert is growing only on Pakistan side

by this line he means Pakistanis are trying to distance themselves from Indians

And Indian have invested massively in making dessert green

By this he means Aman ki aasha type Indian policies

 

[VCheng]

I think you get the picture but I'm sure it won't stop you from what you want to push.

I am not pushing anything except the rule of law and due process for everyone, equally. That is all. That is the only way to do right by Pakistan.

 

[Humble Analyst]

Anyone want to take a guess at to what the IQ of nawaz sharif is? Must be around 50/retarded level.

The Pakistan Army IS suppose to DO ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that is anti-indian..........as india is an EXISTENTIAL threat to Pakistan and it's military..........ANYONE who believes to contrary is obviously mentally challenged with severe learning difficulties........

Agree but it was bad judgement to assume that Pakistan could hold Kargil or hold it for negotiations. If Chief of Army Staff is taking such a bold step then he should have thought it through the end.
So in this case this huge effort and loss of life was a result of not fully planning all scenarios. The assumption made towards the outcome were wrong and finally the civil and military leadership were either not on the same page or there was a fallout. Even if there was disagreement later then this should have been taken into consideration during planning.
It is clear that all aspects of out comes were not considered.
I do not like Nawaz but I can see grave mistakes done by Musharaf.
Nobody is beyond questioning and it should apply to everyone.
It was a valiant and tactical effort because there was no strategic plan and thinking.
Salute to those who fought like Lions and shame on those who could not get the desired results and yet sent these Jawans including officers to this operation and further shame on Nawaz to show the World that there was a division between civil and military when the chips not really down. And at last I have to add that I hold in deep contempt anyone who lied in this matter may it be Nawaz or Musharaf.
Musharaf miscalculated Nawaz showed the weakness. I think both are at fault in this matter.
To main topic Nawaz says things to please India without realising that Indians hatred for Pakistanis is deep.

 

[El Sidd]

because it failed to achieve the desire results other than the creation of a new country.

Pakistan movement achieved its principle target of creation of separate homeland for the Muslims of subcontinent.

It failed to Create a Power Sharing system b/w the Political/Governing Elites and General Public of the new State, this thing gave opportunity other power hungry elements both from Civilian and Military segments

The system is there. One may argue it needs re-hauling which is democratic right as per constitution of Pakistan. We have had an eventful journey from Dominion to Federation to Republic.
How do you propose the power sharing in a country where politics is viewed as soap opera between Kings and Generals?

 

[Shane]

I am not pushing anything except the rule of law and due process for everyone, equally. That is all. That is the only way to do right by Pakistan.

The right thing is exactly what I want too.
The same rules and laws that nurtured the mutations are now after them. I say to everyone; Good luck with dealing with that exact rule of law you enjoyed for decades.

I'm sure PM Nawaz was following the law of attraction when he leaked Ajmal Kassab's name to Kim Baker.

... maps he could hardly understand if they were affixed to Kim bakers demarcated zones. (<<You might learn something if you follow the link)

 

[SIPRA]

A clown NS may be, but doing such devious illegal adventurism makes the Army no better than criminals, please do keep in mind.

My post was merely a probable description of what could possibly have happened. In fact, at that time, I heard something to this effect.

We are living in a society, or a state, in which law has only partial or selective application, particularly, where the persona of influence are involved, whether civil or military and the respect of the law is very limited. Natural consequence is adventurism and blurring of the lines between legal and illegal or legitimate and illegitimate actions. This, of course, is an unfortunate condition and frankly, I am not aware, how we are to come out out of it, if not completely, at least substantially.

 

[VCheng]

The right thing is exactly what I want too.
The same rules and laws that nurtured the mutations are now after them. I say to everyone; Good luck with dealing with that exact rule of law you enjoyed for decades.

I'm sure PM Nawaz was following the law of attraction when he leaked Ajmal Kassab's name to Kim Baker.

NS and Zardari deserve due process and punishment if found guilty. And the same process should be applied to General Musharraf and all the previous dictators too, posthumously if need be. Equally. No one should be above the law.

My post was merely a probable description of what could possibly have happened. In fact, at that time, I heard something to this effect.

We are living in a society, or a state, in which law has only partial or selective application, particularly, where the persona of influence are involved, whether civil or military and the respect of the law is very limited. Natural consequence is adventurism and blurring of the lines between legal and illegal or legitimate and illegitimate actions. This, of course, is an unfortunate condition and frankly, I am not aware, how we are to come out out of it, if not completely, at least substantially.

And that lack of the rule of law is what has brought Pakistan to where it is today. And it will only grow worse till the inevitable end.

 

[HRK]

Pakistan movement achieved its principle target of creation of separate homeland for the Muslims of subcontinent.

there was a Reason a Purpose attached with the idea of the Creation of a Separate Homeland for the Muslims of subcontinent, separation from India was not the SOLE PURPOSE of this idea. This is the reason I term creation of Pakistan is an Incomplete Revolution

The system is there.

but not working and the system widely in practice is not official which give raise to Mafias hence increase the power of Elites

How do you propose the power sharing in a country where politics is viewed as soap opera between Kings and Generals?

Creation of Independent and Working Institutions

 

[El Sidd]

there was a Reason a Purpose attached with the idea of the Creation of a Separate Homeland for the Muslims of subcontinent, separation from India was not the SOLE PURPOSE of this idea. This is the reason I term creation of Pakistan is an Incomplete Revolution

Freedom from BRITISH INDIA was the principle adjective of Pakistan movement. Every revolution after Mohammad SallAllahu 'alayhi wa sallam, will always be incomplete in one way or another. Its just been 70 years and Alhumdulilah it is taking a natural course and not artificial injected ones which are recipe for chaos and destruction.

Creation of Independents and Working Institutions

How many institutions do you want more?

 

[Jial]

Freedom from BRITISH INDIA was the principle adjective of Pakistan movement. Every revolution after Mohammad will always be incomplete in one way or another. Its just been 70 years and Alhumdulilah it is taking a natural course and not artificial injected ones which are recipe for chaos and destruction.]

PBUH

 

[El Sidd]

but not working and the system widely in practice is not official which give raise to Mafias hence increase the power of Elites

Government itself is the biggest mafia by definition. But yes you are right the eroded system is only helping the mafias in Pakistan at the moment.

 

[Nasr]

Ignore indian news channels clips quoting him
I am after a clip i saw 5 years ago

where Nawaz in his own voice addressing indian media
At modi inaguration saying

Why there is border between india Pakistan when language culture food and clothing is same
He also says Pakistan army back stabbed india on kargil to which indian crowd cries shame shame

I saw that clip on news and on YouTube but its gone

And only indian news with music and voice overs left


I am only interested in one where he as prime minister questioned the genious of border quoting alu gost clothes language beung the same and then talked about Pakistan army back stabbing him and india

Am i imagining or he did say it?

Anyone, and I mean ANYONE who says things against the Union of Pakistan and the integrity of Pakistan should be hanged until death, public execution. Traitors and those who support them should be executed, no holds barred, period!!!

 

[Shane]

NS and Zardari deserve due process and punishment if found guilty. And the same process should be applied to General Musharraf and all the previous dictators too, posthumously if need be. Equally. No one should be above the law.

Same law for everyone. That sums it up.

And that lack of the rule of law is what has brought Pakistan to where it is today. And it will only grow worse till the inevitable end.

"Grow worse" is just an affect of the cause due to the prolific economic terrorists.

Inevitable End is for those who destroyed Pakistan. Period.

 

[Big Tank]

I recall him saying this and indians crying shame shame

Forgive me if i am imagining


While in Pakistan his patwaris say Nawaz exploded nuclear bombs after eating gobi gost


Talking about gost and similar eating habits should we hand him over to RSS after an NRO?

I spilled juice out of my mouth after reading this goby gosht comment haha

 

[VCheng]

Same law for everyone. That sums it up.

"Grow worse" is just an affect of the cause due to the prolific economic terrorists.

Inevitable End is for those who destroyed Pakistan. Period.

Pakistan cannot stop its decline until and unless it applies the same law to everyone. And that is not likely to happen.