DID Nawaz really say Pakistan army back stabbed India?

[Solomon2]

Not only the Army. Hang all the politicians who have done wrong by the country, by due process. And hang the Generals who have wronged the country too. Even posthumously. ALL of them. EQUALLY. By due process.

That is the ONLY way Pakistan can get back on track to its destiny.

"Due process" - i.e., by the courts. Which are run exclusively in English. Which half the country doesn't even understand, right? Is translation even available?

How can due process be demonstrated to people who can't understand the language of the court? Such people must, therefore, accept the dictates of those in authority as holy writ - which brings us back to the problem of unquestioningly accepting authority rather than standing up for law and due process.

 

[Microsoft]

Not possible, unfortunately. Period.

That's not unfortunate. That's a standard no one can uphold this isn't some fantasy world we live in and if it's truly unobtainable it's not unfortunate. This is just a fool's pipe dream that not a single country on earth can claim to accomplish.

never get it checked. dont trust the medicine industry. if you dont believe me ask @VCheng he is a doctor

Wise words but if you don't trust the medicine industry why should I trust the resident doctor? Isn't he just another shill?

 

[El Sidd]

Wise words but if you don't trust the medicine industry why should I trust the resident doctor? Isn't he just another shill

because in caste System doctors are brahmin.

 

[SIPRA]

That's not unfortunate. That's a standard no one can uphold this isn't some fantasy world we live in and if it's truly unobtainable it's not unfortunate. This is just a fool's pipe dream that not a single country on earth can claim to accomplish.

You are right that no state can achieve it completely or absolutely. My use of "unfortunately" was for that we have failed to achieve it substantially, within even our own sociopolitical conditions and constraints.

 

[VCheng]

Not possible, unfortunately. Period.

And hence Pakistan will keep on heading where it is heading to the inevitable conclusion.

"Due process" - i.e., by the courts. Which are run exclusively in English. Which half the country doesn't even understand, right? Is translation even available?

How can due process be demonstrated to people who can't understand the language of the court? Such people must, therefore, accept the dictates of those in authority as holy writ - which brings us back to the problem of unquestioningly accepting authority rather than standing up for law and due process.

Please see my response above.

 

[SIPRA]

And hence Pakistan will keep on heading where it is heading to the inevitable conclusion.

That I don't know. Sociopolitical processes are not as predictable, as are the physical ones. Pakistan may slowly and sequentially come out of this mess.

 

[Solomon2]

Please see my response above.

So...entrenched interests prevent necessary reforms, thus leading to a French Revolution-type scenario due to concentration of wealth and dearth of recognizable justice?

 

[VCheng]

That I don't know. Sociopolitical processes are not as predictable, as are the physical ones. Pakistan may slowly and sequentially come out of this mess.

Considering the rapid population growth, resource shortages, abysmal social development, a struggling economy and failing institutions, the most likely outcome is a controlled implosion in slow motion in a permissible direction.

So...entrenched interests prevent necessary reforms, thus leading to a French Revolution-type scenario due to concentration of wealth and dearth of recognizable justice?

Again, please see the above.

 

[Solomon2]

Considering the rapid population growth, resource shortages, abysmal social development, a struggling economy and failing institutions, the most likely outcome is a controlled implosion in slow motion in a permissible direction.

So not the revolution of the masses tossing the elite out of power but a Holodomor to exterminate the masses instead, cowing the survivors into obedience. The Holodomor was only possible due to two things: homicidal leadership and complacent foreigners who supplied aid and trade to keep the leadership in power and the cities well-fed. Hmmm.

 

[VCheng]

So not the revolution of the masses tossing the elite out of power but a Holodomor to exterminate the masses instead. The Holodomor was only possible due to two things: homicidal leadership and complacent foreigners who supplied aid and trade to keep the leadership in power and the cities well-fed. Hmmm.

International geopolitics at work, nothing else. As usual.


Back on topic, does the Army have the right to launch a military operation on its perceived enemy without Constitutional authority?

 

[Shane]

Once a folk has metamorphosed into a “Last Mujib” - the epitome of proxy traitor terrorist under the Indian Mushrikin - even the sky isn’t the limit for being a Geddar...

Ah, the wind from the land of the red river blows with the wisdom of unblemishable patriotism.

 

[SIPRA]

Considering the rapid population growth, resource shortages, abysmal social development, a struggling economy and failing institutions, the most likely outcome is a controlled implosion in slow motion in a permissible direction.

If substantial rule of law can be restored, even by parts, in a sequential manner, over a period of time; I think, Pakistan can come on the path of progress.

 

[VCheng]

If substantial rule of law can be restored, even by parts, in a sequential manner, over a period of time; I think, Pakistan can come on the path of progress.

Ah yes, of course hope springs eternal in the Land of the Pure. That is great!

Evidence and results have their own way of making a reality inevitable, sadly. Let's start with "if substantial rule of law can be restored". Mighty big IF, considering that those who benefit from the present system will never allow meaningful improvements that force them to relinquish their stranglehold.

Hence, does the Army have the right to launch a military operation on its perceived enemy without Constitutional authority? Why would it ever give up such power willingly?

 

[Solomon2]

International geopolitics at work, nothing else. As usual.

The Chinese were willing to support North Korea. The Russians and Iranian mullahs were willing to support the Assads. Nobody will be willing to support the much larger project a revolting Pakistan would be.

 

[SIPRA]

Ah yes, of course hope springs eternal in the Land of the Pure. That is great!

Evidence and results have their own way of making a reality inevitable, sadly. Let's start with "if substantial rule of law can be restored". Mighty big IF, considering that those who benefit from the present system will never allow meaningful improvements that force them to relinquish their stranglehold.

Hence, does the Army have the right to launch a military operation on its perceived enemy without Constitutional authority? Why would it ever give up such power willingly?

If I correctly recall, it was you, who said that a society gets the kind of rule, it deserves. That, in fact, summarizes the whole process.