Dharma is not the same as Religion

[knight11]

You don't seem to read very well. My point was that following the law is very clear in modern society, and there is little or no scope to apply one's own principles or views in deciding whether or not to follow the law. Dharma, according to your latest iteration above, is a general principle, or duty, and it is applied to the particular minute detail, which laws in the law books (actually, the body of legislative acts is a more accurate description). That is not something which requires a PhD in philosophy to figure out. It also does not require anything similar to understand what I have been saying.

I started doubting your ability of Understanding or my inability to convey my message properly. So for the Last of My Attempt to make you understand, because I will not respond for any of your offtopic discussion you are doing. Where is the the Law of constitution coming in between, when we are discussing that Religion and Dharma are two different things.

You are wrong.

Proove me wrong, and bring all of the Panda, Pandit, Rishi, BABA, Experts from anywhere to take you side
@Kashmiri Pandit

Mahabharata is the Gatha means history, and Vedas means knowledge

Knowledge is more bliss-producing than all the wonders of creation.
And such is this knowledge, unlike Bible, Quran and Purans, that WD Brown wrote in “Superiority of Vedic Religion” that ” Vedic religion is thoroughly scientific where science and religion meet hand in hand . Here theology is based on science and philosophy.”

In “The Bible in India” by L Jacoliot, it is stated that ” Veda, of all revelations, is the only one whose ideas are in perfect harmony with modern science.” Huge number of other scientists who scratched the surface of Vedas share such views.

The phrase “Rigvedic History” is as paradoxing as “dark sun” – Just as sun cannot be dark, similarly vedas do not have any history.

This attempt of imagining history in vedas in a grave mistake we make which robs our dharma of its true identity and makes it vulnerable to attacks of anti-culturals.

If Vedas contain history, then all other texts, including new Purans at once become fraud texts without any further analysis. The list includes:

a. New Purans (Shiv, Vishnu, Bhagvat, etc etc)
b. Upanishads
c. Brahmans
d. Darshans (Yoga, Nyaya, Meemansa, Vedaant etc)
e. Ramayan
f. Mahabharat
g. Smritis: Manu etc

and all other texts of ancient times which we associate with our culture or knowledge.

Because each of them procliams clearly that Vedas/ Shruti are first knowedge to mankind, given at
beginning of creation and hence self-sufficient proofs. This is one common theme that unites all the various factions of so-called Hinduism.

To say that Vedas contain history because of words like Pururuva, Ram, Tutvasu is like saying Bhagvad Puran and poems of Soordas are stories of BJP because it contains mention of Lal Krishna Advani, Murli Manohar, Sushma Swaraj, Arun Jaitley, Atal, etc.

Its like saying history of freedom struggle is about ancestors of SushmaSwaraj.

Half-baked self-proclaimed intellectuals inspired by Max Muller et al continue their spree to discover various crazy people in Vedas. So far the list contains Christ, Muhammad, Kabeer, Ram, Krishna, etc etc.

Analyse vedas from its true context. only then shall the mantras make sense. Else if you search a place in London with map of New York, failure and wastage of time and energy and creating confusion in others would be the only outcomes.

Only a thundering idiot would say that the Vedas are not related to any religion.

You are also wrong in linking Hindu tolerance, or lack of it, to understanding what Dharma is. There is no connection.

Yes I am among those thundering Idiot who would say that Vedas are not related to any Religion.

First of all what does Sir Joe Shearer thinks what is word Hindu Means.
What is the definition of a Hindu ? : Aa sindho: sinduparyantham yasya bhaaratha bhoomikaa maathru
bhoo: pithru bhoo (punya) schaiva sa vai Hindu iti smruthaa: whomsoever, is considering the land
between the sapta sindu ( Indus valley river) upto Indian ocean as the motherland/ fatherland and
holy land, is known as Hindu. This land is known as Hindustanam which is defined as follows:
Himaalayam samaarabhya yaavath hindu sarovaram tham deva nirmitham desam hindustaanam
prachakshate. The land created by god himself and which is lying between Himalayas and Indian
ocean is known as Hindustanam .
Unlike other religions, Hindu dharma has many specialties. This is not known as a religion, it is
known as the dharma. Either Hindu dharma or sanaathana dharama. Sanathana means according
to bhagavath geetha, which cannot be destroyed by fire, weapons, water, air, and which is present in
all living and non living being. Dharma means, the way of life which is the ‘total of all aachaaraas
or customs and rituals’. The aachaaraas which are to be performed by the mother is known as mathru
dharma, those of father is known as pitru dharma. Similarly there are putra dharma ( dharma of son)
aachaarya dharma (dharma of teacher), as a continuation we can say bhraathru (brother) dharma,
bhagini (sister) dharma, poura (citizen) dharma, raja (king) dharma and so on. All these dharmas
have been described in detail giving the specific importance in the dharma saastra and smruthies.
There is no specific English word for dharma, but it is the sum of the duties + responsibilities +
privileges of that individual. Then what is the sanathana/ Hindu dharma ? It is the total of mathru
dharma + pitru dharma + putra dharma + putree dharma + acharya dharma + poura dharma +
…+…etc. Hence we say Hinduism is not a religion but the way of life.
One should always remember that in each and every aachaaraas / dharma there will be a component
of spirituality in it. Without spirituality, nothing exists in Hindu dharma. Almost everyone carries a
wrong impression that this spirituality is religion. No ! spirituality is different in Hindu dharma, where
the question a religion does not exist at all, because Hindu dharma was not created by one
individual/prophet/incarnation/…. Hence it is not a religion. Spirituality is a part of every Hindu
custom.
What are the rules to be followed while practicing the Hindu customs and rituals (aachaaraas) ?. This
question has to be scientifically analyzed. Whatever may the aachaaraas we are practicing in our life, it
has been told that saakshaath anubhavairdhrushto na srutho na guru darsitha lokaanaam
upakaaraaya ethath sarvam pradarsitham. Aachaaraas are to be followed based on their merits
available from the self experience, one need not blindly follow a teacher or someone who gives advise
without reasoning. All these aachaaraas are mentioned for the prosperity of the human beings and it
should be the prime focus for practicing the Hindu aachaaraas.
Achaaryaath paadam aadatthe paadam sishya swamedhayaa paadam sa brahmachaaribhya sesham
kaala kramena cha is another important advice given in smruthies. It means one can get one quarter of
the knowledge from the teacher, one quarter by analyzing oneself, one quarter by discussing with
others and the last quarter one can get during the process of living by the method addition, deletion,
correction and modification of already known aachaaraas/ new aachaaraas.
It is mentioned that we have to take one quarter from the teacher/ guru. Now, what is the definition
of a guru or teacher. Aachinothi cha saastraarthaan sishyaan saadhayate sudhee swayam aacharti
chaiva sa aacharya iti smruthaa: who is knowing the scientific meaning of the purpose of the
aachaaraas, who can teach the student very systematically and who is following (all what is taught to
the students) in ones own life, that person is fit to be called as the teacher/guru. Here, one can see
the qualification of a teacher who can define and explain about the aachaaraas.
Can we practice the aachaaraas at all times with the same level of devotion ? This is a common question
asked. The answer is also given in our smruthies. Swagraame poornam aaachaaraasasm anya graame
thadardhakam pattane tu thath paadam yaatre baalaad aaachaaraasastheth. In one’s own village,
practice all the aachaaraas, in other villages (while travelling or staying) practice one half of the
aachaaraas, in the cities/ towns follow atleast a minimum of one quarter of them and while traveling,
like a child one need not practice any of the aachaaraas.
Should we practice the aachaaraas blindly saying that those aachaaraas were followed by my father or
forefathers.? Thaathasya koopoyam iti bruvaana kaa purusha kshaarajalam pibathi. Saying that this
well was dug by my father ( and for showing respect to him) one need not drink the salt water (if it is
present) in the well.
Aachaaraas need not be the same in Kerala and Kashmir, similarly for a Hindu the same customs
cannot be practiced in America and Rajastan desert. Hence depending upon the place , time, season,
age, availability of the materials, financial position of the individuals, the aachaaraas can be duly
modified.
The same principle one can see in bhagavath geetha also. Lord Krishna told Arjuna in the end of
Bhagavath geetha, that vimrusya ethath aseshena yathaa icchasi thathaa kuru: Hey Arjuna all those
whatever I have told you, critically analyze, and the option for accepting or rejecting is yours.

That seems to be the problem, precisely. That the only thing that is clear is that you have doubts.

Read above slowly and properly and then post your reply and try to clear my doubts or 1% chance to remove your doubts.

Performing Dharma does not mean to break the law, not automatically, but it is a possible misinterpretation, which the weak-minded will accept, and the evil-minded will propose to the weak-minded.

Leave aside posting same Rant again and Again "Breaking the Law" --- Are you trying to deviate the discussion from the topic. If you fail to grasp a single bit of understanding here is Dharma is not Religion, and their is no Religion called Hindu, and everyone when taken birth have a Dharma (Purpose, Duty, Law) to perform and its inherited to him. What is importance is the True understanding of What is our Dharma.

Example --- The court issue summon to some people does not means that the construction of court issues the summon, similarly Dharma does not means the breaking of law, or to perform some custom, rather the knowledge to know who we are and what are are our Purpose/duties. And our purpose what I think is the Betterment of the Whole world, Vishwa ka Kalyan Ho --- The last word we chant during Yagya.

And with that outlook, you expect to deal with Dharma and why it is or is not relevant? Seriously?

I suggest you wait till you cross a thousand posts or so, before you come up with such good ideas for a thread. The experience may make you better at forming and defending an opinion. If it makes you better than is the case now, we will all benefit.

I tell you the story of one of the so called Hindu Goddess, Santoshi Mata. Can you tell me how she was created, and which religious books mentioned her. In reality she was the Creation of the Bollywood movie of 1960 Jai Santoshi Mata. Many believe in her, including my mother. My father is very religious and have belief in Kali Mata, She is also our KUL DEVI, my wife believe in Sai BABA, and I don't believe in any of the GOD, at all but still I am religious person. Do we have contradiction in our family, or talk or discuss the tolerance >> its just Bullshit, why Religion is something Personal, and Dharma is what our duties, purpose e.g I bring money to home, My wife take care of my parents, and my child -- so we are performing our Dharma for the better ment of our Family(society) in our home (country).

 

[Joe Shearer]

I started doubting your ability of Understanding or my inability to convey my message properly. So for the Last of My Attempt to make you understand, because I will not respond for any of your offtopic discussion you are doing. Where is the the Law of constitution coming in between, when we are discussing that Religion and Dharma are two different things.



Proove me wrong, and bring all of the Panda, Pandit, Rishi, BABA, Experts from anywhere to take you side
@Kashmiri Pandit

Mahabharata is the Gatha means history, and Vedas means knowledge

Knowledge is more bliss-producing than all the wonders of creation.
And such is this knowledge, unlike Bible, Quran and Purans, that WD Brown wrote in “Superiority of Vedic Religion” that ” Vedic religion is thoroughly scientific where science and religion meet hand in hand . Here theology is based on science and philosophy.”

In “The Bible in India” by L Jacoliot, it is stated that ” Veda, of all revelations, is the only one whose ideas are in perfect harmony with modern science.” Huge number of other scientists who scratched the surface of Vedas share such views.

The phrase “Rigvedic History” is as paradoxing as “dark sun” – Just as sun cannot be dark, similarly vedas do not have any history.

This attempt of imagining history in vedas in a grave mistake we make which robs our dharma of its true identity and makes it vulnerable to attacks of anti-culturals.

If Vedas contain history, then all other texts, including new Purans at once become fraud texts without any further analysis. The list includes:

a. New Purans (Shiv, Vishnu, Bhagvat, etc etc)
b. Upanishads
c. Brahmans
d. Darshans (Yoga, Nyaya, Meemansa, Vedaant etc)
e. Ramayan
f. Mahabharat
g. Smritis: Manu etc

and all other texts of ancient times which we associate with our culture or knowledge.

Because each of them procliams clearly that Vedas/ Shruti are first knowedge to mankind, given at
beginning of creation and hence self-sufficient proofs. This is one common theme that unites all the various factions of so-called Hinduism.

To say that Vedas contain history because of words like Pururuva, Ram, Tutvasu is like saying Bhagvad Puran and poems of Soordas are stories of BJP because it contains mention of Lal Krishna Advani, Murli Manohar, Sushma Swaraj, Arun Jaitley, Atal, etc.

Its like saying history of freedom struggle is about ancestors of SushmaSwaraj.

Half-baked self-proclaimed intellectuals inspired by Max Muller et al continue their spree to discover various crazy people in Vedas. So far the list contains Christ, Muhammad, Kabeer, Ram, Krishna, etc etc.

Analyse vedas from its true context. only then shall the mantras make sense. Else if you search a place in London with map of New York, failure and wastage of time and energy and creating confusion in others would be the only outcomes.



Yes I am among those thundering Idiot who would say that Vedas are not related to any Religion.

First of all what does Sir Joe Shearer thinks what is word Hindu Means.
What is the definition of a Hindu ? : Aa sindho: sinduparyantham yasya bhaaratha bhoomikaa maathru
bhoo: pithru bhoo (punya) schaiva sa vai Hindu iti smruthaa: whomsoever, is considering the land
between the sapta sindu ( Indus valley river) upto Indian ocean as the motherland/ fatherland and
holy land, is known as Hindu. This land is known as Hindustanam which is defined as follows:
Himaalayam samaarabhya yaavath hindu sarovaram tham deva nirmitham desam hindustaanam
prachakshate. The land created by god himself and which is lying between Himalayas and Indian
ocean is known as Hindustanam .
Unlike other religions, Hindu dharma has many specialties. This is not known as a religion, it is
known as the dharma. Either Hindu dharma or sanaathana dharama. Sanathana means according
to bhagavath geetha, which cannot be destroyed by fire, weapons, water, air, and which is present in
all living and non living being. Dharma means, the way of life which is the ‘total of all aachaaraas
or customs and rituals’. The aachaaraas which are to be performed by the mother is known as mathru
dharma, those of father is known as pitru dharma. Similarly there are putra dharma ( dharma of son)
aachaarya dharma (dharma of teacher), as a continuation we can say bhraathru (brother) dharma,
bhagini (sister) dharma, poura (citizen) dharma, raja (king) dharma and so on. All these dharmas
have been described in detail giving the specific importance in the dharma saastra and smruthies.
There is no specific English word for dharma, but it is the sum of the duties + responsibilities +
privileges of that individual. Then what is the sanathana/ Hindu dharma ? It is the total of mathru
dharma + pitru dharma + putra dharma + putree dharma + acharya dharma + poura dharma +
…+…etc. Hence we say Hinduism is not a religion but the way of life.
One should always remember that in each and every aachaaraas / dharma there will be a component
of spirituality in it. Without spirituality, nothing exists in Hindu dharma. Almost everyone carries a
wrong impression that this spirituality is religion. No ! spirituality is different in Hindu dharma, where
the question a religion does not exist at all, because Hindu dharma was not created by one
individual/prophet/incarnation/…. Hence it is not a religion. Spirituality is a part of every Hindu
custom.
What are the rules to be followed while practicing the Hindu customs and rituals (aachaaraas) ?. This
question has to be scientifically analyzed. Whatever may the aachaaraas we are practicing in our life, it
has been told that saakshaath anubhavairdhrushto na srutho na guru darsitha lokaanaam
upakaaraaya ethath sarvam pradarsitham. Aachaaraas are to be followed based on their merits
available from the self experience, one need not blindly follow a teacher or someone who gives advise
without reasoning. All these aachaaraas are mentioned for the prosperity of the human beings and it
should be the prime focus for practicing the Hindu aachaaraas.
Achaaryaath paadam aadatthe paadam sishya swamedhayaa paadam sa brahmachaaribhya sesham
kaala kramena cha is another important advice given in smruthies. It means one can get one quarter of
the knowledge from the teacher, one quarter by analyzing oneself, one quarter by discussing with
others and the last quarter one can get during the process of living by the method addition, deletion,
correction and modification of already known aachaaraas/ new aachaaraas.
It is mentioned that we have to take one quarter from the teacher/ guru. Now, what is the definition
of a guru or teacher. Aachinothi cha saastraarthaan sishyaan saadhayate sudhee swayam aacharti
chaiva sa aacharya iti smruthaa: who is knowing the scientific meaning of the purpose of the
aachaaraas, who can teach the student very systematically and who is following (all what is taught to
the students) in ones own life, that person is fit to be called as the teacher/guru. Here, one can see
the qualification of a teacher who can define and explain about the aachaaraas.
Can we practice the aachaaraas at all times with the same level of devotion ? This is a common question
asked. The answer is also given in our smruthies. Swagraame poornam aaachaaraasasm anya graame
thadardhakam pattane tu thath paadam yaatre baalaad aaachaaraasastheth. In one’s own village,
practice all the aachaaraas, in other villages (while travelling or staying) practice one half of the
aachaaraas, in the cities/ towns follow atleast a minimum of one quarter of them and while traveling,
like a child one need not practice any of the aachaaraas.
Should we practice the aachaaraas blindly saying that those aachaaraas were followed by my father or
forefathers.? Thaathasya koopoyam iti bruvaana kaa purusha kshaarajalam pibathi. Saying that this
well was dug by my father ( and for showing respect to him) one need not drink the salt water (if it is
present) in the well.
Aachaaraas need not be the same in Kerala and Kashmir, similarly for a Hindu the same customs
cannot be practiced in America and Rajastan desert. Hence depending upon the place , time, season,
age, availability of the materials, financial position of the individuals, the aachaaraas can be duly
modified.
The same principle one can see in bhagavath geetha also. Lord Krishna told Arjuna in the end of
Bhagavath geetha, that vimrusya ethath aseshena yathaa icchasi thathaa kuru: Hey Arjuna all those
whatever I have told you, critically analyze, and the option for accepting or rejecting is yours.



Read above slowly and properly and then post your reply and try to clear my doubts or 1% chance to remove your doubts.



Leave aside posting same Rant again and Again "Breaking the Law" --- Are you trying to deviate the discussion from the topic. If you fail to grasp a single bit of understanding here is Dharma is not Religion, and their is no Religion called Hindu, and everyone when taken birth have a Dharma (Purpose, Duty, Law) to perform and its inherited to him. What is importance is the True understanding of What is our Dharma.

Example --- The court issue summon to some people does not means that the construction of court issues the summon, similarly Dharma does not means the breaking of law, or to perform some custom, rather the knowledge to know who we are and what are are our Purpose/duties. And our purpose what I think is the Betterment of the Whole world, Vishwa ka Kalyan Ho --- The last word we chant during Yagya.



I tell you the story of one of the so called Hindu Goddess, Santoshi Mata. Can you tell me how she was created, and which religious books mentioned her. In reality she was the Creation of the Bollywood movie of 1960 Jai Santoshi Mata. Many believe in her, including my mother. My father is very religious and have belief in Kali Mata, She is also our KUL DEVI, my wife believe in Sai BABA, and I don't believe in any of the GOD, at all but still I am religious person. Do we have contradiction in our family, or talk or discuss the tolerance >> its just Bullshit, why Religion is something Personal, and Dharma is what our duties, purpose e.g I bring money to home, My wife take care of my parents, and my child -- so we are performing our Dharma for the better ment of our Family(society) in our home (country).

Spouting nonsense is not an answer.

Educate yourself and then return to the conversation.

 

[knight11]

Lord Krishna told Arjuna in the end of Bhagavath geetha, that

vimrusya ethath aseshena yathaa icchasi thathaa kuru:

Hey Arjuna all those
whatever I have told you, critically analyze, and the option for accepting or rejecting is yours.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Lord Krishna told Arjuna in the end of Bhagavath geetha, that

vimrusya ethath aseshena yathaa icchasi thathaa kuru:

Hey Arjuna all those
whatever I have told you, critically analyze, and the option for accepting or rejecting is yours.

I told you before, and this is the last time I shall tell you: educate yourself and come back.