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Dhaka seeks more data on river flow, Delhi says no on ‘security grounds’

Tipaimukh dam is to reserve water and release it for electricity and india plans to build diversion barrage in downstream at Fulertol to divert water. Net effect would be catastrophic for Bangladesh and that is how india wants to use the Tipaimuk dam and Fulertol barrage combination as aggression against Bangladesh. And that is why india refused to provide river flow data.
 
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Tipaimukh dam is to reserve water and release it for electricity and india plans to build diversion barrage in downstream at Fulertol to divert water. Net effect would be catastrophic for Bangladesh and that is how india wants to use the Tipaimuk dan and Fulertol barrage combination as aggression against Bangladesh. And that is why india refused to provide river flow data.

any link for your claim or just another brainF@@rt of yours???
 
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this very Fact 1 point should clear your doubt.if the project belongs to both country,how India would use it against you??seems very illogical,right???

and for Fact 3,Chinese dams(that they are building for god knows why purpose,and they don't want to share info about it) are alarming for our national security,but BD seems to happy with those dams.then why you guys are so unhappy when India want to develop same project bilaterally??where are your brains dude???

To gain our support? If the project belongs to both of us then why are India declining from sharing any info about it? Just forget for a moment that you are not from India and from BD. Now make your post on it

Your very own ministers are trusting the Chinese on this part, moreover China has never ever done anything to hurt us and always been a trusted friend. Whereas India has already denied the water sharing on the previous dam now how do you expect us to trust you guys on another? try to look it from an unbiased angle as I am doing the same here. I understand that India needs this dam but we should have clear information about this project. I don't think any sane country will go on and become partner in a project of which they contain no idea about.
 
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Thanks to farrakka communication with Khulna division got easier and now people can cultivate rice on river bed. Due to increase of salinity on coastal district we are now able to cultivate shrimp there and earn foreign currency. I am sure in near future we can built a industrial zone in sunderban as trees dieing because of salinity.


rofl..post pic of Padma then..lets see your reverbeds..

and by the way,why are BD building Padma Bridge then??just make highways..
 
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Indian dam to endanger Bangladesh's farming, ecology, experts fear

India’s Tipaimukh dam could cost Bangladesh $122 million a year as well as endanger the riverine ecology and biodiversity of the region. If the water level rises, the country will lose arable land, making it hard to produce Boro rice.



In addition, the dam would be disastrous for the riverine ecology and biodiversity of the region, according to environment impact assessment reports, including the Sixth Flood Action Plan (FAP), prepared by Bangladeshi experts.

A document titled "Comparison of discharge at Tipaimukh dam site (pre-dam and post-dam)" prepared by National Hydroelectric Power Company, India, shows water supply during lean season will increase from 282 to 537 cubic metres per second (cumec) at the India-Bangladesh border point after the construction of the dam.

Prepared in 2009 and officially handed over to Bangladesh parliamentarians, the document also shows the average discharge of water during the monsoon will decrease to 481 cumec from 854, which will improve the flood situation in the Sylhet region.

Bangladeshi experts, however, differ and say the 390-metre long and 162.8m high dam across the Barak River in the Indian state of Manipur will automatically release extra water after a certain level.

The flood control project will have an installation capacity of 1500 MW, documents show.

Gowher Rizvi and Mashiur Rahman -- advisers to Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina -- went to India in December last year to inquire about the project. They, however, returned home with an offer from the Indian prime minister that India would like Bangladesh to become an equity partner in the project.

Contacted, eminent environmentalist Atiq Rahman said, "If India really wanted us to be an equity partner, they [India] should have involved us while designing the dam so that we could raise our concerns."

Even if Bangladesh accepts Indian's proposal of becoming a partner in the project and get a share of the electricity, it will not compensate for the agricultural and ecological damage the dam will spell on the country.

"The haor region grows about 18 million tonnes of Boro rice a year, nearly 10 per cent of the country's total Boro production," M. Inamul Haq, former director general of Bangladesh Haor and Wetland Development Board, told The Daily Star.

A rise in the water level in winter will significantly reduce the extent of arable land there, he said.

The dam will block the drainage system of croplands in haor areas from December to February and lack of irrigation might hamper the Boro yield by at least Tk 10 billion (US$122 million) per year, he added.

Boro rice is the single crop of the haor region.

"Increasing water flow in the rivers would not help the agriculture in the region. It would help if it were in the northern districts of the country," said Inamul Haq.

The environment impact assessment part of the Sixth Flood Action Plan done in the 1980s says the dam will affect the ecology of the Sylhet region, including causing a change in crop patterns.

Also, sediment deposition in the channel and adjacent floodplains will adversely affect fisheries and navigation.

Similarly, a 1995 report prepared by the Water Development Board says the water flow in the rivers Meghna, Surma and Kushiara will decrease should India construct the dam.

Another survey on the potential impact of the project finds that 100 per cent of the randomly selected people living in the haor region think the dam will cause environmental and economic damage.

Conducted by Anwar Hossain, programme officer of development organisation Action Aid, the survey was done among the people of Sylhet, Habiganj, Sunamganj, Kishoreganj and Moulvibazar.

Though India did not inform Bangladesh about forming a company that would construct the Tipaimukh dam, the Indian prime minister had offered to share all the information about the project with Bangladesh.


The former director general of Bangladesh Haor and Wetland Development Board said an independent committee should do an environment impact assessment before going for such construction.

However, the Indian government has conducted its own assessment. Bangladesh was excluded from the assessment.

Against this backdrop, the Bangladesh government has sent a list of experts for purposes of a visit to the site for an assessment, said sources in the water resources ministry yesterday.

Officials could not give a timeline for the visit but said it would happen soon.


Read more: Indian dam to endanger Bangladesh's farming, ecology, experts fear - NY Daily News | NewsCred SmartWire
 
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Your very own ministers are trusting the Chinese on this part, moreover China has never ever done anything to hurt us and always been a trusted friend.

our ministry didn't know the existence of those dams as China never told them.its media(or sattelite pic,don't sure) by which they knew about them.only then China formally send info on those dams.

Whereas India has already denied the water sharing on the previous dam now how do you expect us to trust you guys on another? try to look it from an unbiased angle as I am doing the same here. I understand that India needs this dam but we should have clear information about this project. I don't think any sane country will go on and become partner in a project of which they contain no idea about.

India did everything according to water sharing treaty.but you want more.and if you guys don't trust India,why they are on the first place??go to UN and complain about India on how India is trying to kill BD..we'll see you there..but instead of that,you guys are whinning about some info.if it is a bilateral project,then info on that dam wouldn't be any national matter,right???you'll access them freely.
 
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our ministry didn't know the existence of those dams as China never told them.its media(or sattelite pic,don't sure) by which they knew about them.only then China formally send info on those dams.
Does you ministers trust Chinese on this? Yes or No?


India did everything according to water sharing treaty.but you want more.and if you guys don't trust India,why they are on the first place??go to UN and complain about India on how India is trying to kill BD..we'll see you there..but instead of that,you guys are whinning about some info.if it is a bilateral project,then info on that dam wouldn't be any national matter,right???you'll access them freely.

i'm not sure if India is following the treaty, is it @idune ?
Sorry, i didn't get you "why they are on the first place?" And actually, we are. There is still a case going on where India is trying to sea lock our maritime boundary. The fact that we can't access the info freely is the suspicious thing about it.
 
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Bangladesh should take the matter to UN and other international and environmental forums and identify how indian water aggression already destroyed livelyhood of hundred of millions of people, their livelihood, environment and ecology. Not to mention billions of dollars of damage. Such blatant agression by india against such vast population of Bangladesh and other south Asian nations, does not make it eligible for UN security council seat. Nor indian aggression deserves any reward by means of technology, loan or armamment which further indian capability to conduct aggression againt neighbors.
 
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i'm not sure if India is following the treaty, is it @idune ?

Read the following on how india is violating int'l law and obligations.

TIPAIMUKH MUST BE STOPPED

The Prime Minister of India has announced that it definitely is constructing the Tipaimukh dam. This will damage the ecosystem of the surrounding area including Bangladesh. We definitely do not want that. We need to get together and make a very loud noise to shake the world and stop India. If a country dies, who lives? If a country lives, who dies?

India is doing it with total disregard to the calls of the people of Barak valley (people from both upstream and downstream) and without joint detailed and independent Environment Impact Assessment (EIA), which is required under the Environment Protection Act 1986.

There has been no meaningful public consultation. Neither is there Environment Management Plan (EMP) for formulating, implementing and monitoring environmental protection measures (during and after the project) nor there any Rehabilitation and Resettlement Plan!

The UN Committee on Elimination of Racial Discrimination has urged the government of India not to construct the Tipaimukh Dam in its concluding observation of the Seventieth session from February 19 to March 9, 2007 and in its special communications made on August 15, 2008; March 13, 2009 and September 23, 2009. The Forum further urged authorities concerned to follow free, fair and prior informed consent of the people under the ILO Convention 107.

The 163m high dam of 1500 MW will submerge more than 286 sq. km of prime farmland upstream and dry up a huge area of wet land. One third of Bangladesh and lives of 40 million Bangladeshis will be affected.

India is certainly violating international laws and conventions. We just want them to obey these laws and conventions. The Tipaimukh dam project is violating United Nations:

1. Helsinki Rules (1966)
Every country with Common River must consider the usage of water in a way that does not affect any countries’ economical and social environment. Consideration must be given to the total harm it might bring on the affected countries.

2. The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Non-Navigational Uses of International Watercourses (the UN Convention), adopted by the United Nations General Assembly on 21 May 1997.
Aims at ensuring the utilization, development, conservation, management and protection of international watercourses, and promoting optimal and sustainable utilization thereof for present and future generations.

3. UNEP Convention on Biological Diversities, 1992
Every Country is resolute to preserve the environmental and biological atmosphere of the world.

4. Ramsar Convention on Wet Lands 1971, arranged by the UNESCO
Every Country in the world is committed to safeguard water reservoir for the preservation of Aquatic ecosystem and natural environment.

5. World Commission on Dams (WCD) 1998, Established by World Bank and IUCN
If any country wants to build any big Dam it must consult with the inhabitant of that river basin so that the project is acceptable to them (It has to be stressed that this acceptance must be by the people of that basin not by the government).

N.B: If any Dam is higher than 15 metres and can contain more than 3 million cubic metres of water, the World Commission on Dams considers it a big Dam. It has to be noted especially here that the Tipaimukh Dam will be 11 times higher and will contain 500 times more water than the concept of big dam above.

As we depend on agriculture and some of your villagers say, we cannot eat electricity, we must not be lured by the possibility of getting electricity from India. This is a question of right to basic livelihood.

How long must we wait, while our fundamental and basic rights are denied? Let us unite to demand:
Cancel the Tipaimukh Dam project; let the river run free and be with us. Let us do the right thing for ourselves, for our future generations and for our natural heritage.

United Nations must oversee the whole matter and initiate the establishment of a regional water commission with affected country and ensure rightful water supply for Bangladesh.

*By Farakkah, Tista and other Barrages India is controlling our water. As a consequence, we are losing 100 billion taka every year from our economy as northern part of Bangladesh is turning into a desert. We rightfully want to demand compensation for those losses from India.

*Until and unless our water interest is guaranteed, Bangladesh with the assistance of other friendly countries must create pressure on India from the international community to ensure its rightful water shares in common rivers.

*To strengthen the position of the Government of Bangladesh and to inform the world about severe consequences of India’s dam projects on trans-boundary rivers, we need to reinforce our efforts for the success of the water protest. We all Bangladeshis, irrespective of where we live in the world, political views and religion, must participate in the protest.

Very dangerously the Tipaimukh dam is situated in one of the world’s most active earthquake zones. In 1890 there was a 8.7 rector scale earthquake and it’s usually repeat every 100 – 200 years. If the dam vanishes, 10 million lives will perish.

Some experts are saying that the Tipaimukh dam is more dangerous than an atom bomb.

India has failed to share with Bangladesh any data on the dam project and signed a joint investment agreement with a commercial company and the state government on the construction of Tipaimukh Dam and a hydroelectric project without informing Bangladesh. It broke its earlier promise that it would not take any steps regarding the dam that could harm Bangladesh.

Therefore, we can no longer trust India and are making our petition to the highest authority of the world, The UNITED NATIONS, to enforce international laws and conventions.

http://www.change.org/petitions/united-nations-tipaimukh-dam-must-be-stopped
 
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Read the following on how india is violating int'l law and obligations.

TIPAIMUKH MUST BE STOPPED

The Prime Minister of India has announced that it definitely is constructing the Tipaimukh dam. This will damage the ecosystem of the surrounding area including Bangladesh. We definitely do not want that. We need to get together and make a very loud noise to shake the world and stop India. If a country dies, who lives? If a country lives, who dies?

India is doing it with total disregard to the calls of the people of Barak valley (people from both upstream and downstream) and without joint detailed and independent Environment Impact Assessment (EIA), which is required under the Environment Protection Act 1986.

There has been no meaningful public consultation. Neither is there Environment Management Plan (EMP) for formulating, implementing and monitoring environmental protection measures (during and after the project) nor there any Rehabilitation and Resettlement Plan!

The UN Committee on Elimination of Racial Discrimination has urged the government of India not to construct the Tipaimukh Dam in its concluding observation of the Seventieth session from February 19 to March 9, 2007 and in its special communications made on August 15, 2008; March 13, 2009 and September 23, 2009. The Forum further urged authorities concerned to follow free, fair and prior informed consent of the people under the ILO Convention 107.

The 163m high dam of 1500 MW will submerge more than 286 sq. km of prime farmland upstream and dry up a huge area of wet land. One third of Bangladesh and lives of 40 million Bangladeshis will be affected.

India is certainly violating international laws and conventions. We just want them to obey these laws and conventions. The Tipaimukh dam project is violating United Nations:

1. Helsinki Rules (1966)
Every country with Common River must consider the usage of water in a way that does not affect any countries’ economical and social environment. Consideration must be given to the total harm it might bring on the affected countries.

2. The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Non-Navigational Uses of International Watercourses (the UN Convention), adopted by the United Nations General Assembly on 21 May 1997.
Aims at ensuring the utilization, development, conservation, management and protection of international watercourses, and promoting optimal and sustainable utilization thereof for present and future generations.

3. UNEP Convention on Biological Diversities, 1992
Every Country is resolute to preserve the environmental and biological atmosphere of the world.

4. Ramsar Convention on Wet Lands 1971, arranged by the UNESCO
Every Country in the world is committed to safeguard water reservoir for the preservation of Aquatic ecosystem and natural environment.

5. World Commission on Dams (WCD) 1998, Established by World Bank and IUCN
If any country wants to build any big Dam it must consult with the inhabitant of that river basin so that the project is acceptable to them (It has to be stressed that this acceptance must be by the people of that basin not by the government).

N.B: If any Dam is higher than 15 metres and can contain more than 3 million cubic metres of water, the World Commission on Dams considers it a big Dam. It has to be noted especially here that the Tipaimukh Dam will be 11 times higher and will contain 500 times more water than the concept of big dam above.

As we depend on agriculture and some of your villagers say, we cannot eat electricity, we must not be lured by the possibility of getting electricity from India. This is a question of right to basic livelihood.

How long must we wait, while our fundamental and basic rights are denied? Let us unite to demand:
Cancel the Tipaimukh Dam project; let the river run free and be with us. Let us do the right thing for ourselves, for our future generations and for our natural heritage.

United Nations must oversee the whole matter and initiate the establishment of a regional water commission with affected country and ensure rightful water supply for Bangladesh.

*By Farakkah, Tista and other Barrages India is controlling our water. As a consequence, we are losing 100 billion taka every year from our economy as northern part of Bangladesh is turning into a desert. We rightfully want to demand compensation for those losses from India.

*Until and unless our water interest is guaranteed, Bangladesh with the assistance of other friendly countries must create pressure on India from the international community to ensure its rightful water shares in common rivers.

*To strengthen the position of the Government of Bangladesh and to inform the world about severe consequences of India’s dam projects on trans-boundary rivers, we need to reinforce our efforts for the success of the water protest. We all Bangladeshis, irrespective of where we live in the world, political views and religion, must participate in the protest.

Very dangerously the Tipaimukh dam is situated in one of the world’s most active earthquake zones. In 1890 there was a 8.7 rector scale earthquake and it’s usually repeat every 100 – 200 years. If the dam vanishes, 10 million lives will perish.

Some experts are saying that the Tipaimukh dam is more dangerous than an atom bomb.

India has failed to share with Bangladesh any data on the dam project and signed a joint investment agreement with a commercial company and the state government on the construction of Tipaimukh Dam and a hydroelectric project without informing Bangladesh. It broke its earlier promise that it would not take any steps regarding the dam that could harm Bangladesh.

Therefore, we can no longer trust India and are making our petition to the highest authority of the world, The UNITED NATIONS, to enforce international laws and conventions.

http://www.change.org/petitions/united-nations-tipaimukh-dam-must-be-stopped

Hey replace Tipaimukh with Brahmaputra.

At least now you will understand how it is felt to be bullied lol.....

where are the articles Chinese dams on Bramaputra will turn North Bangladesh into desert. :girl_wacko:
 
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Does you ministers trust Chinese on this? Yes or No?

thats not what we call trust.thats what we call precaution without provocation..



Sorry, i didn't get you "why they are on the first place?" And actually, we are. There is still a case going on where India is trying to sea lock our maritime boundary. The fact that we can't access the info freely is the suspicious thing about it.

yup,i know about that.but its not india blocking BD,its what india claims.The case was lodged by India-Mayanmar-BD to resolve their maritime dispute.Mayanmar won(actually both won the case,but Mayanmar gained more) case against BD.What do you think about that??Mayanmar joined India to Block BD??Don't seek conspiracy in everything.
 
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Also india is violating treaty it signed in 1996. According to article IX of the 1996 thirty-year Ganges Water Sharing Treaty, india should have done following. But still to date india violating treaty it signed.

"Guided by the principles of equity, fairness and no harm to either party both the Governments agree to conclude water sharing Treaties/ Agreements with regard to other common rivers".

(Article IX of the 1996 thirty-year Ganges Water Sharing Treaty)
 
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Those dalals are wearing d*h*o*t*i on top of their head now to cover their face.



They are not "dumb" but with evil intention to use Tipaimukh river dam as weapon against Bangladesh.

Weapon against bangladesh???? these are intentional articles planted in media to paint a negative picture of India for the BNP's political gains.... Rest assure India seeks no harm for bangladesh. If there indeed any misunderstanding or fears from bangladesh side, it is paramount that Indian ministry address those fears to ensure better relations with bangladesh....

Bangladesh is viewed as an ally and friendly nation by most Indians and vice versa, It's PDF bangladeshis which seem to be derived from a minor faction of bangladesh who have deep rooted animosity against India for obvious reasons, the same members also seem to have an exceptionally positive views of pakistan and it's policies.
 
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thats not what we call trust.thats what we call precaution without provocation..
So you have nothing to say against it. Case closed.




yup,i know about that.but its not india blocking BD,its what india claims.The case was lodged by India-Mayanmar-BD to resolve their maritime dispute.Mayanmar won(actually both won the case,but Mayanmar gained more) case against BD.What do you think about that??Mayanmar joined India to Block BD??Don't seek conspiracy in everything.

I was just pointing out that we are going to International court because of Indian bullying. The objective was crystal clear, even though none of the countries joined together, both wanted a sea locked BD.
 
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Indians and their obsession with China. :crazy: But this obsessive trend is very predictable, and nowadays China's somehow part of every Indo-BD discussion, courtesy of Indians. lol.

Anyways, quiz for our Indian friends:

Question: How does water flowing through China enter BD? Choose one from:

a) Indian rivers
b) underground channels
c) gigantic cloud

Don't look at the answer before you choose one of the options above.


Answer: it's a) Indian rivers! That's also where the water ends its journey! :)

Now you guys want us to negotiate for India? Idiots.

Please tell me how a dam on tiny barak river will turn Bangladesh into desert while three dams on Brahmaputra won't. Where are those Bangladeshi media bashing the Chinese dams on your second major river same like Tipaimukh Dam on tiny barak river. :girl_wacko:
 
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