Dhaka must protest at Delhi’s insulting Bangladesh war narrative

[SQ8]

Hasina protest anything to India?
I doubt that will happen in her lifetime, we could have IA tanks in Dhaka and the current AL government will suggest they are there for eager tourism.

 

[fallstuff]

Except Pakistan was not fighting an expeditionary war at all. Your comments are based on flawed comparisons, the biggest one being the Indian "PKforce" in Sri Lanka, which was different in nature than what Pakistan was doing.

Pakistan would have eventually won, as it was militarily stronger, and had an incentive to keep fighting. Your entire argument hinges on the idea that Pakistan was a foreign force in East Pakistan, it was not.

Your arguments are based on a false premise that there was an insurgency. There never was. Your were fed false narratives to justify sending men and equipment to teach the East Pakistanis a lesson.

The folks in the East didn't want to live like second class citizens in their own land after dealing with the British rulers for two hundred years.

Hasina is just trolling Pakistan. No one ( other than some AL and her core supporters) in BD cares or aware of what she is saying about Pakistan, I am sure people in Pakistan in general do not give a flying f... about Hasina.

Its just the arm chair generals on PDF who seem to care a bit about what she says !!!

 

[That Guy]

Your arguments are based on a false premise that there was an insurgency. There never was. Your were fed false narratives to justify sending men and equipment to teach the East Pakistanis a lesson.

The folks in the East didn't want to live like second class citizens in their own land after dealing with the British rulers for two hundred years.

Hasina is just trolling Pakistan. No one ( other than some AL and her core supporters) in BD cares or aware of what she is saying about Pakistan, I am sure people in Pakistan in general do not give a flying f... about Hasina.

Its just the arm chair generals on PDF who seem to care a bit about what she says !!!

If there was no insurgency, than it would have been even easier to keep control of East Pakistan, which means that your entire point is flawed either way.

All you've done is prove your own point wrong.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Palestine is still fighting for its independence and land . They just have stones or sticks to throw at the Israeli's but to no avail because they are fighting a military powerhouse .

Bangladesh in that scenerio would be palestine because they had nothing and was facing Pakistan . For example did you expect to fight Pakistan with bamboo sticks if India hadn't intervened ?

Bangladesh fought in a guerilla style... using stealth tactics for surprise attacks and salvaging Pakistani weapons to fight them in turn. Do you believe India defeated Pakistanis just fighting 10-20 days?
But yes. Bangladesh was Palestine. And Pakistan was Israel at the time.

 

[dray]

India’s defence minister Manohar Parrikar, while threatening Pakistan on Sunday in the midst of military tensions between the two countries, has made a very objectionable comment about Bangladesh, particularly its armed struggle for national independence against the occupation forces of Pakistan in 1971. The minister claimed, as reported by the Times of India on Sunday and reproduced by New Age on Monday, that ‘Lord Rama won Lanka and gave it to Vibhishana. We did the same in the Bangladesh operation.’ Evidently, the Indian minister has referred to a mythical Ramayana episode in which Indian Rama’s force attacked Lanka, the kingdom of his adversary Rakshasa, for the latter had kidnapped the former’s wife, Sita. Rama’s forces eventually defeated Rakshasa’s ones, rescued Sita and handed the kingdom over to Vibhishana, Rakshasa’s younger brother whom Rama found a littler better than his elder. The political message of the statement is clear: India attacked Pakistan in 1971, fought and defeated Pakistan forces and then handed over the liberated Bangladesh to its people. This is an absolutely ahistorical narrative about Bangladesh’s war of independence, which is extremely insulting to the country’s innumerable freedom fighters, martyred and alive, who made invaluable sacrifice for the country’s independence. Bangladesh must protest against such an insulting propaganda about the history of Bangladesh’s independence.

The fact of history remains, a series of struggle by the people of East Bengal since 1948 for its political, cultural and economic autonomy eventually culminated in the East’s war of liberation against the neo-colonialist rulers of West Pakistan in 1971. The people of East Bengal won the war and established Bangladesh at the cost of enormous sufferings and sacrifice. In the process, there is no denying, Indian political and military establishment, and, above all, its people, provided multidimensional assistance to the Bangladesh revolution. India’s strategic interest to dismember Pakistan, after all, coincided with Bangladesh’s aspiration for independence. For India, and many other countries, it was realpolitik to support the Bangladesh cause, out of which the people have definitely been benefited.

Indian troops had joined Bangladesh’s freedom fighters on December 3, 1971, which had definitely expedited the victory over the enemy forces of Pakistan, but the Indian physical involvement in the war field, despite the sacrifice of lives of about 1,500 Indian troops on the soil of Bangladesh, was in no way the decisive factor behind Bangladesh victory. AK Khandaker, deputy chief of staff of the Armed Forces of Bangladesh in 1971, says that ‘physical strength of the Pakistan forces had been exhausted, and psychological morale reached down the lowest ebb, before the commencement of the war [with India] on December 3.’ Khaled Mosharraf, a reputed sector commander of the liberation war, said in a post-independence interview that ‘the Indian army just walked in when we, the Mukti Bahini, had already finished the job’. In rather a conservative analysis, the commander-in-chief of the Mukti Bahini, AG Osmani, said in a post-independence interview that ‘if the Indian forces had not come into the war directly, the Mukti Bahini itself would have liberated the country within six [more] months’.

Evidently, it was the sacrifice of the people of Bangladesh in a long series of political struggle for more than two decades and martyrdom as well as sufferings of many millions of Bangladeshis during the nine months of liberation war that created Bangladesh. It was not at all a gift of the Indian political establishment to the people of Bangladesh as the Indian defence minister has suggested through the Ramayana myth. Bangladesh’s government of the day, which claims to be championing the spirit of the liberation war, therefore, has an obligation to publicly protest against Indian efforts to belittle the glorious role that the people of Bangladesh, particularly the freedom fighters, have played to achieve the cherished independence.

http://www.newagebd.net/article/258/dhaka-must-protest-at-delhis-insulting-bangladesh-war-narrative

So what's the problem? Ramayana does mention that Bibhishan fought alongside Ram, but it was Ram-Raavan war, and Bibhishan got the kingdom of Raavan after Ram defeated Raavan, as Ram was noble and didn't fight the war for increasing his kingdom.

The analogy fits well here.

Bangladesh fought in a guerilla style... using stealth tactics for surprise attacks and salvaging Pakistani weapons to fight them in turn. Do you believe India defeated Pakistanis just fighting 10-20 days?
But yes. Bangladesh was Palestine. And Pakistan was Israel at the time.

Contrary to popular belief in Bangladesh, BD liberation fighters were fighting with their back on the wall, PA stationed in East Pakistan along with the BD razakars did manage to push the resistance into some pockets, without Indian intervention they would have taken back full control in 2-3 months.

Not to forget that Mukti Bahini wouldn't have a fighting chance without Indian support in every way possible to fight the war, and India's full blockade on supplies and reinforcements from West Pakistan, including air support.

 

[dray]

Why only a 1500 death of the so-called brave Indian Army? We have seen who and what are these soldiers. Muktis were directed to face the frontal assault by the PA Jawans, while IA helped them from behind by firing with heavy artillery. "Tum age jao, ham piche se apka madad karega" was the moto of IA. IA joined the our war at a time when the paddy was ripe and IA harvested without a pain.

We saw also the morals of a kind of coward soldiers all of whom were too afraid of entering east Pakistan without Muktis besides them. I wonder, what IA can do in case of a India-Pak war although Bengal Regiment troops are not with the PA.

A 'brave' internet warrior calling the real-life warriors 'cowards'. I sometimes wonder if the PDF Bangladeshis are actual reflection of common Bangladeshis, or are they some special kind!!

Not to forget that the real war in 1971 in land, sky and sea was fought and won by India on the western front against the full might of Pakistani military, what was the strength of Pakistani army in East Pakistan anyway, miniscule?

Bangladesh was more foreign territory for Pakistan than Vietnam was for US.Atleast South Vietnam was allied with US.But in BD, entire country bar a few stray rajakar was at war with Pak occupation force.A third world country like Pakistan,with only 45,000 men force stationed thousand miles away without heavy military equipment against 75 million hostile population have no chance.Even if India didn't intervened BD would have been independent within 2 or 3 years.Indian intervention only accelerated the process,nothing more.

After knowing some Bangladeshis in this forum and reading their posts in many different social media sites, I seriously doubt if Bangladesh actually ever had that many people wanting to separate from West Pakistan...... I mean, seriously.

Hey bro you are completely justified in defending your country from haters and people who want to split it up. Its your duty and you have every right to attack those who abuse your country.

Plz ignore Joe Sheeran, he is Bengali nationalist with unhealthy obsession with Bangladesh. These kind of ethnic nationalists are curse for all countries, very intolerant lot them. Even in Europe , nobody cares about your ethnicity anymore. This is age of globalization and everybody is welcome, irrespective of race or religion. Ethnic racism is modern-day curse and has got to be rid of. I just want to tell Joe Sheeran one thing, you have been born and brought up in India, fed by India, take Indian government benefits, have the right to work anywhere in India, still you feel more love for Bangladesh, just because its Bengali-majority country, and demean your own fellow Indian brother Nilgiri for defending your own country India from haters. This is not good you know. For God's sake you have such a large country India. Be happy with it and plz leave Bangladesh alone. Bangladesh is based on two-nation theory.

Nilgiri bro I really admire your patriotism for country. Patriotism transcends religion and ethnicity. You know some petty ethnic nationalists divided our country up in '71 and kicked us out for not subscribing to ethnic nationalism. I hope same does not happen to your country and do not ever let someone divide your country up on the basis of ethnicity. These ethnic nationalists are traitors and have to be crushed to protect unity of country. I won't ever discriminate anyone based on religion, ethnicity, race or creed. All of them are proud citizens of the country they live in, and no one has the right to question or discriminate against them. I wish I could translate some of Joe Sheeran's posts here just so you know what he thinks about you

First some ex-Indians along with coreligionists like you created East Pakistan on the basis of religious nationalism by kicking out people of their own ethnicity, then the same bunch of people created Bangladesh on the basis of ethnic nationalism by kicking out people of their own religion! Funny, isn't it? Or is it 'Karma' at work!

Funny thing is, this 3rd generation rajakar is showering India with love and wishing for territorial integrity while his pyara Pakistan is anything but anti-thesis of unity of India.Doesn't he support 1947 partition or wish freedom for Kashmiri muslim like his Pak brothers do? He says, he doesn't support division of state based on ethnicity language while he is perfectly fine with the concept of Pakistan which was founded based on religious separatist nationalism.He says, he is above ethnicity,caste,creed,religion but believe in two nation theory which says Hindu and muslim can't live side by side.Isn't it insulting to human intellect?

Not to forget that Bangladeshis also believed in two nations theory very strongly and started off as East Pakistan first.

From his inception in this forum I know he is Indian. But I kept silent as he fulfilled my purpose to bash Jamaatis. But his identity would reveal sooner or later. Recently he said all Indian Muslims should migrate to BD, we dont have to be Einstein to guess why he said that.

He is not an Indian for sure.

 

[Arefin007]

First some ex-Indians along with coreligionists like you created East Pakistan on the basis of religious nationalism by kicking out people of their own ethnicity, then the same bunch of people created Bangladesh on the basis of ethnic nationalism by kicking out people of their own religion! Funny, isn't it? Or is it 'Karma' at work!

It was not ethnic nationalism It was geographical nationalism because East Pakistan was very far from West Pakistan and the union wasn't working for this reason

 

[Michael Corleone]

So what's the problem? Ramayana does mention that Bibhishan fought alongside Ram, but it was Ram-Raavan war, and Bibhishan got the kingdom of Raavan after Ram defeated Raavan, as Ram was noble and didn't fight the war for increasing his kingdom.

The analogy fits well here.



Contrary to popular belief in Bangladesh, BD liberation fighters were fighting with their back on the wall, PA stationed in East Pakistan along with the BD razakars did manage to push the resistance into some pockets, without Indian intervention they would have taken back full control in 2-3 months.

Not to forget that Mukti Bahini wouldn't have a fighting chance without Indian support in every way possible to fight the war, and India's full blockade on supplies and reinforcements from West Pakistan, including air support.

more like india waited till november to be ensured that a chinese retaliation is impossible and then go finish the business with ending touch. by november Gen. osmani had controls of majority of bangladesh... condition of indian govt. that he shouldnt be present at the surrender treaty and that he should hand over complete authority... which was also influenced by awami leaders like tajuddin smells fishy! (no pun intended)

 

[dray]

It was not ethnic nationalism It was geographical nationalism because East Pakistan was very far from West Pakistan and the union wasn't working for this reason

Bihari Muslims and Bengali Muslims of Bangladesh were not on the same page regarding Pakistan. Bangladesh has gone through both religious cleansing of non-Muslims including Hindu Bengalis and ethnic cleansing of non-Bengalis like Bihari Muslims, Chakmas and other tribes to become what it is today.

more like india waited till november to be ensured that a chinese retaliation is impossible and then go finish the business with ending touch. by november Gen. osmani had controls of majority of bangladesh... condition of indian govt. that he shouldnt be present at the surrender treaty and that he should hand over complete authority... which was also influenced by awami leaders like tajuddin smells fishy! (no pun intended)

India didn't wait till November to blockade Pakistan and preventing them from flooding East Pakistan with supplies and reinforcements to crush the movement, or to provide all kinds of support to Mukti Bahini, to the extent that there may not even be any Mukti Bahini worth remembering without us.

With all due respect, Gen. Osmani and his forces was not capable enough in terms of experience, strategy, and training to come victorious. They were already pushed to the wall and would have been crushed eventually. He was actually very very far from controlling entire Bangladesh. Pakistan had to be defeated on the western front to make them surrender, and India did it.

Your national friend China didn't want your country to be born, and since India was doing all the heavy lifting on behalf of you, both militarily and diplomatically, we had to devise our plans accordingly.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Bihari Muslims and Bengali Muslims of Bangladesh were not on the same page regarding Pakistan. Bangladesh has gone through both religious cleansing of non-Muslims including Hindu Bengalis and ethnic cleansing of non-Bengalis like Bihari Muslims, Chakmas and other tribes to become what it is today.



India didn't wait till November to blockade Pakistan and preventing them from flooding East Pakistan with supplies and reinforcements to crush the movement, or to provide all kinds of support to Mukti Bahini, to the extent that there may not even be any Mukti Bahini worth remembering without us.

With all due respect, Gen. Osmani and his forces was not capable enough in terms of experience, strategy, and training to come victorious. They were already pushed to the wall and would have been crushed eventually. He was actually very very far from controlling entire Bangladesh. Pakistan had to be defeated on the western front to make them surrender, and India did it.

Your national friend China didn't want your country to be born, and since India was doing all the heavy lifting on behalf of you, both militarily and diplomatically, we had to devise our plans accordingly.

check the deployment date in the east... November 26th. the naval blockade has been in place from much earlier though...

 

[IceCold]

Hasina can only bark against Pakistan. With Modi she is as good as a bitch.