Destroying Myth of Indian Indengious Weapons Capability

[tjpf]

If Omanese were of mongoloid race, you are right. They are Nepalese, who lost a lot of men becuase of failure of the INSAS in fighting with the Moaist.

see we are going places but what abot u guys..... whats the stats of ur programs......u can badmouth black indians but the truth is tat each of the southindian states have more on their own better GDP, LAW AND ORDER, CULTURE than pak can ever imagine....sad

 

[acetophenol]

iran special forces pulsar:

 

[PoKeMon]

Perception is reality. Your position is indefensible. If LCA was so good why buy MRCA, if Arjun was so good why buy T90 the list goes on and on and on

Let me ask you.

Suppose a nation has zero aircraft industry and it wants to step in the field. What you say will

> it directly produce an equivalent to F22 or it would be better to try for a mig 27 equivalent??
> If you learn something new(not copying), will there be some failures or not??
> while you are incapable of manufacturing something really good, wont you purchase some better ones to keep minimum deterrence for the time being??

Nobody here claims the indeginous indian products are world class but we have to start from somewhere and gradually look for betterment. Isn't it chinese arms were categorised third class earlier when they started to build up their industry?
We are on the same path and we will reach to the heights. Dont discourage a nation trying to stand on its feet. It shows your character.

 

[acetophenol]

kora class corvette:

 

[nForce]

Defence: Strategic plans, tech snags
Sunday April 20 2008 11:24 IST

Manoj K. Das


KOCHI: The Indian Air Force has a serious problem with the lightness of the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), the country’s flagship indigenous aviation programme.

A list of issues has recently been raised by the IAF about the project, already flying through a bad patch of technological factors and time and cost overruns.

Engine-related issues continue to plague the project and the Air Force is not happy with the thrust values generated by the new GE404 engine powering the aircraft.

In fact, one factor that threw the project out of gear was the delay in developing the Kaveri engines.With no option in sight, HAL decided to go ahead with the developmental trials with the GE 404 till an indigenous engine was ready.

The IAF experts now say that the thrust generated by the GE404 is not adequate for all the manoeuvres expected of the LCA,which will be replacing the ageing MiG 21 fleet.

“It’s no longer light. The aircraft was supposed to weigh only 8,000 kg after all the changes effected on it. But today it has put on another 2,000 kg and weighs 10,000 kg. And it is but natural that the engine is unable to support it to the maximum,” IAF sources told this website’s newspaper.

This leaves HAL in a dilemma. The builder now has to either subject the aircraft to some design planning with a view to reducing the drag or reduce the weight of the aircraft.

“There is hardly any flab on its body. We will take a look at the design to reduce drag,” sources said. But that is easier said than done.

HAL will have to go in for a design consultancy to fine-tune an already tested aircraft, which will further delay the full-fledged commissioning of the project.

“Another solution, and probably the best, will be to use a new engine with better thrust levels. The new engine can be selected with the weight-thrust ratio in mind. This will take care of all manoeuvres expected of the aircraft even if its weight were to go up slightly again,” sources said.

The IAF and HAL have formed a committee to look into the issues, including the selection of a new engine. A high-level meeting is scheduled this month end to finalise the action plan.

“But HAL will build 20 LCA-Tejas aircraft for the IAF as planned. This squadron will be inducted and the base is getting ready at Sulur in Tamil Nadu,” sources said.

News article

The HAL is putting more powerful General Electric F414-GE-INS6 engine,the same engine that powers the American F/A-18 Super hornets in the Mark-2 variant of Tejas and not the F404.Apart from that SNECMA is assisting in the development of GTRE GTX-35VS Kaveri.So,a few years down the line,with the experience gained from Kaveri development,the DRDO will attain self sufficiency in engines as well.
The process of development is comparable to the Chinese WS-10A.
The report that you are quoting is about 3 years old..Quote some current news,credibility decreases with the passage of time.

 

[acetophenol]

@bossman:

open another thread for pakistan's successes. india's failures is not paikistan's victories.

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khukri class corvette:

 

[Bossman]

Let me ask you.

Suppose a nation has zero aircraft industry and it wants to step in the field. What you say will

> it directly produce an equivalent to F22 or it would be better to try for a mig 27 equivalent??
> If you learn something new(not copying), will there be some failures or not??
> while you are incapable of manufacturing something really good, wont you purchase some better ones to keep minimum deterrence for the time being??

Nobody here claims the indeginous indian products are world class but we have to start from somewhere and gradually look for betterment. Isn't it chinese arms were categorised third class earlier when they started to build up their industry?
We are on the same path and we will reach to the heights. Dont discourage a nation trying to stand on its feet. It shows your character.

The problem with India is that it has an aircraft industry since the 1940s. All hot air and tall claims and no substance.

 

[tjpf]

Let me ask you.

Suppose a nation has zero aircraft industry and it wants to step in the field. What you say will

> it directly produce an equivalent to F22 or it would be better to try for a mig 27 equivalent??
> If you learn something new(not copying), will there be some failures or not??
> while you are incapable of manufacturing something really good, wont you purchase some better ones to keep minimum deterrence for the time being??

Nobody here claims the indeginous indian products are world class but we have to start from somewhere and gradually look for betterment. Isn't it chinese arms were categorised third class earlier when they started to build up their industry?
We are on the same path and we will reach to the heights. Dont discourage a nation trying to stand on its feet. It shows your character.

by the way read somewhere tat chinese stealth tech is based on the US fighter tat was brought down in serbia/bosnia....not sure which place...and also americans fear of their stealth heli being copied by china during OBL raid....the people whom u chest thump of JV's copy others tech....shame

 

[tjpf]

The problem with India is that it has an aircraft industry since the 1940s. All hot air and tall claims and no substance.

we are woking on it...wat about ur crap.......

 

[Bossman]

iran special forces pulsar:

Don't look like special forces to me. Some sort of local police force and what's the point - motorcyle is not a weapon

 

[nForce]

You wonder why with the local IJT the IAF chose to go after the hawk.....

Why?? Please explain..

 

[acetophenol]

Don't look like special forces to me. Some sort of local police force and what's the point - motorcyle is not a weapon

its made in india!

 

[tjpf]

Don't look like special forces to me. Some sort of local police force and what's the point - motorcyle is not a weapon

who cares the thing is they are riding indian bikes.....honto

 

[Bossman]

we are woking on it...wat about ur crap.......

We are just getting our aviation industry and it seem to be more effective and providing greater bang for the buck. Our basic training requirements are all met domestically, can't say that for India. Our JV for basic/advanced is meeting our trainer requirements and is also a global success with nearly 400 planes sold, can't say that for India. PAC gets 25% of the profit on all K8s sold internationally. Now our MR fighter is rapidly replacing our old fighters, can't say that for India.

 

[acetophenol]

Car Nicobar class fast attack craft:

The Car Nicobar class of fast attack crafts are being built at Garden Reach Shipbuilders and Engineers (GRSE) for the Indian Navy. The ships are intended as a cost-effective platform for patrol and rescue operations in India's Exclusive Economic Zone. The vessels are the first water-jet propelled vessels of the Indian Navy.[2]
The class and its vessels are named for Indian islands.