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Desperate Time Desperate Measures - A differential view of Pakistan's Economic

So, the question is : does youtube pays any tax to govt of Pakistan? If yes how much? And how much youtube and Facebook is earning from Pakistan? And what about the oil companies who drilled oil from Kach area from Indian side? It was oil from a disputed area, did they paid anything to Pakistan? Or, if I want to buy rice from Pakistan that contains a particular level of starch, or a variety of citrus that contains a particular level of sugars and acids, is there any classification by govt of local products? Or may be if I want to setup a manufacturing plant in Pakistan, do I have to deal with govt procedures or a bribe chain?

This is the point, over which, either PM Imran is either not paying attention or may be he doesn't want to. He is bz just squeezing already squeezed people.

Logon se banta hai mulk, logon ki halat kharab hai. Ager PM thek se regulate kary chezon ko tu paisa koi masla hi nai hai.

@The Accountant
 
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A very good post and included many things which I also recommend for good economy.Our taxation System should charge taxes on revenue instead of gains for certain large businesses which are expected to earn high profits every year and have no or little chance for loss as many business claim deductions and exemptions for taxable income by exploiting tax laws which reduces tax liability to be paid to govt .

Our one problem is status which is attached to certain jobs and designations like mba, css,c.a,doctors( many women becoming doctor for getting better rishta and not practice throughout life after marriage)
and certain other jobs which not involve skills but are limited to office based jobs
Educational institution not provide proper practical training to students and knowledge remain limited to books and in theory only

Import of raw materials used to produce finished products should be exempted from tax to promote production of finished products domestically and special allowance should be provided to institutions or industries who provide training to our unskilled labors

Our public attitude and our business culture is full of fraud and involves selling of damaged and bad quality products to customers ,we should preach and give importance to ethics and customer care and quality control and govt should advertise it and educate public benefits of this and disadvantages of fraud in short and long run.In addition govt should establish new department to monitor customer care and honest attitude of businesses and if complain of fraud is made take action immediately.

Agriculture products should be packaged and preserved by using modern methods and converted to finished products for value addition and brand development.For this govt should educate landlords and farmers the benefits of brand and value development and should give incentives for value addition

Training institutes for converting unskilled labors to skilled labor should be immediately established by govt at least at big and major cities with short and medium courses from 6 months to 2 years depending on skill

Measurement of Gdp based on income is better method and I agree with you as expenditure can be made by borrowing from banks which actually increases liability and chances of default

Instead of charging hight taxes govt should lower taxes but tax all sectors with low rates and it will encourage businesses and people to pay tax.The term filer and nonfiler should be abolished as it creates fear in public and business due to past conduct of fbr ,instead govt should made regulations for businesses to submit their audited accounts to fbr each year and calculate tax on bases of such accounts and for individual according to their profession and inquiring from their empolyer calculate taxes.

When govt reduce tax rates then all businesses will encourage to pay taxes and govt should made available a complete map and money trail of how and where tax payers money is spend each year to build confidence of public.There should be separate fund of tax collected by fbr and other bodies from public and this fund should be audited each year.

Import of luxary items should be banned and only allowed to those business owner who manufacture finished products and promote training of unskilled labor

Interest rates should be abolished like japan has done it will promote entrepreneurship and businesses and people will invest money in innovative businesses instead of keeping money in bank and earning interests.Islamic system of profit sharing should be promoted instead of interest based loans for investment and risk sharing
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Imports and imports are the reason of destruction of Pakistan's economy. Imports should be heavily taxed to fix the economic conditions temporarily.

To fix the conditions for long term, Pakistan should be made self sufficient on all kind of food. Not only that Pakistan should be able to feed entire MENA/CAR's and western China, Eastern Russian region. IT industry and start up's are easiest way to gain $$$, this should be another focus, cities like Multan, Mardan, Sukker, Ziarat, Jamshoro, etc should be declared IT/tech cities and should be provided suh infrastructure that would support such move. Home appliances is another area which can help $$$ inflow. We sit right next to rich Middle East, CAR and China, it is not too hard to gain our share of $$$.
 
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Is the data wrong ? I keep hearing about these large landlords from multiple PDFers. All of you cannot be imagining stuff :D:D:D
Being a larger landlord means having lots of land, it is not just having one farm. Farms in Pakistan are no consistent in what the grow. You are stuck in your American bubble thus being the frog in the well. Why do u even quote me after I've humiliated you so many times.

I agree but reality is we have no national pride. We have separate divisions based on sects, languages, color, status, education and many more. I wish to get united as a single nation and then your suggestion will be easier to implement
That will happen when the likes of MQM, ppp, pmln, BLA, PTM and other are eradicated, but alas the government and the army are cowards
 
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Imports and imports are the reason of destruction of Pakistan's economy. Imports should be heavily taxed to fix the economic conditions temporarily.

To fix the conditions for long term, Pakistan should be made self sufficient on all kind of food. Not only that Pakistan should be able to feed entire MENA/CAR's and western China, Eastern Russian region. IT industry and start up's are easiest way to gain $$$, this should be another focus, cities like Multan, Mardan, Sukker, Ziarat, Jamshoro, etc should be declared IT/tech cities and should be provided suh infrastructure that would support such move. Home appliances is another area which can help $$$ inflow. We sit right next to rich Middle East, CAR and China, it is not too hard to gain our share of $$$.
I agree that import is one od the biggest reason but simply taxing import will not work as other nations will tax your export and on the net basis we will be still at deficit so we have to implement other tools along with taxation ...

Being a larger landlord means having lots of land, it is not just having one farm. Farms in Pakistan are no consistent in what the grow. You are stuck in your American bubble thus being the frog in the well. Why do u even quote me after I've humiliated you so many times.


That will happen when the likes of MQM, ppp, pmln, BLA, PTM and other are eradicated, but alas the government and the army are cowards
PPP and PMLN are not less of culprit in this ... anyways this topic for some other thread ... thanks for your input
 
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I am starting a series of threads to discuss Economic Problems of Pakistan along with the solutions. My approach will be different in the sense it will not be based on traditional view of economy but focused on more practical areas of the economy specially the trade and commerce.

The most important point I would like to focus on; I am not an economic expert but a mere student of business and commerce. The issues I will be raising here will be based on my own limited practical exposure in various industries. Therefore all learned fellows are welcome to share their views and experiences and feel free to correct me where they feel I am wrong.

In this first thread I will try to present my own introductory view of the economy in general and economy of Pakistan in particular from a non-conventional point of view understandable to a layman as well ...

Economy is measurement of a country's resources produced in particular time period generally an year. We have various tools of measuring economy but the most common tool is GDP. Economists use different methods of computation of GDP, the most common method is the expenditure approach (by combining all expenses in the economy) having the formula as follows:

GDP = Consumption + Govt. Expenditure + Private Investment + Net Exports (Export - Imports)

From computation point of view there is no problem with the formula however, from government planning and approach point of view I prefer the income approach formula (sum of all the income of the nation). GDP can also be computed as follows:

GDP = Salaries & Wages + Interest Income + Rental Income + Royalties + Profits

(It is important to note that higher the salaries higher will be the GDP hence the industries where salaries are higher (along with profits) adds much more to the economy then low income industries. We will come back to this in our future threads)

Government has a job to give a direction to the economy and has two tools for this. The most important tool is taxation which basically results in reduction in consumption and private investment and transfer the same resources to government expenditure.

During the process government setup the priorities where they suppress some of the sectors by putting taxes while uplifting others through government expenditures. For example during the last year government has increased taxation on vehicles which resulted in decline in expenditure on vehicles by Pakistani cosumers and then the same resources can be used by government probably for construction of Dams.

Since last couple of years Pakistan's GDP per capita is on declining phase (in comparison to to others). Even Bangladesh is expected to surpass our GDP per capita during next few year. The core reason behind such a catastrophic decline is implementation of imported solution to cure a domestic problem.

I believe that Pakistan core economic problems should be divided into two categories:

1) Macro-economic issues
2) Micro-Economic issues

Most of our economic advisers in past few decades were imported ones or were influenced by western economists. The core focus of the economic managers was on macro-economic levers as their knowledge base was limited to experience gained from developed economies where micro-economic issues were already resolved and the businesses and firms were already operating much efficiently in comparison to the other nations and no one bother to look at state of affairs being run at micro-economic levels.

An indication of poor performance at micro economic level is indicative from the fact that ranking of cost of doing business in Pakistan is 136 v/s 77 of India whereas despite of having big work force availability of skilled work force in Pakistan is really difficult.

In order to turn the tables we have to list down our own domestic issues and should identify innovative solutions for them that suits our own needs. My focus would be on micro-economic issues rather than macro-economic issues as the same are being tried again and again but without generating desired outcome. As per my own list key problems of Pakistan's economy at micro-economic levels are:

  1. Lack of skilled and semi-skilled labors.
  2. No culture of research and development.
  3. Inefficient production.
  4. Charity v/s investment.
  5. Sick industries.
  6. Lack of public listed companies.
  7. Lack of capital investors willing to take risk.
  8. Lack of culture of entrepreneurship especially in manufacturing industry.
  9. Lack of export support to the business organizations.
  10. Trade friendly laws and policies rather than manufacturing friendly policies (mirco as well macro economic issue)
  11. Smuggling and duty avoidance.
  12. Job security in government organization resulting in lack of initiative and commitment.
  13. Culture of middle man.
  14. Culture resistant to change.
  15. Priority on low income industries such as agriculture.
  16. Lack of value addition products.

The list is not exhaustive and I would like to add more points based on comments and suggestion received. In future threads we will discuss each of the above problems in detail along with the solution and keep it as running threads. The purpose is to learn and innovation as a mutual exercise and may be we can contribute something really positive to our nation.
By far the best input on anything economics on the forum. The issue is not that we don't know what needs to be done. It is fighting the elements that are resistant to change.
 
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1= Ban 5k currency noted
2= Replace 500 and 1000 notes
80% problems solved regarding black money, money laundering & corruption.. 50% economic problem solved...
 
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It is right that Pakistan don't follow business friendly environment for manufacturing. If I ask why mostly textile companies shifted to other countries? And the answer is expensive production cost of finished products.

Secondly the circular debt of Pakistan is also connected with our energy issues. the main reason of circular debt are IPPs, unpaid bills of Govt & Govt subsidies which further coupled with transmission line losses.

I hope every Pakistani can easily understand.

Surplus electricity without any use but due to Govt agreement with IPPs, Govt is bound to pay them heavy amount even without generating electricity because Pakistan transmission lines can't tolerant the burden of generated electricity including IPPs generated electricity.

Only one Solution:
Update & increase transmission lines accordingly to generated capacity & build new industrial SEZs and transfer that surplus electricity to old & new industrial areas, to commercial markets & to small production units too, Then we would observe within 2 and 3 years that there will be more then half reduction in circular debt of Pakistan.

@The Accountant
 
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It is right that Pakistan don't follow business friendly environment for manufacturing. If I ask why mostly textile companies shifted to other countries? And the answer is expensive production cost of finished products.

Secondly the circular debt of Pakistan is also connected with our energy issues. the main reason of circular debt are IPPs, unpaid bills of Govt & Govt subsidies which further coupled with transmission line losses.

I hope every Pakistani can easily understand.

Surplus electricity without any use but due to Govt agreement with IPPs, Govt is bound to pay them heavy amount even without generating electricity because Pakistan transmission lines can't tolerant the burden of generated electricity including IPPs generated electricity.

Only one Solution:
Update & increase transmission lines accordingly to generated capacity & build new industrial SEZs and transfer that surplus electricity to old & new industrial areas, to commercial markets & to small production units too, Then we would observe within 2 and 3 years that there will be more then half reduction in circular debt of Pakistan.

@The Accountant
Thanks for your input. I almost forrgot the electricity mismanagement issue.so i guess we are almost done with the realization of all the problems hurting us at specially at macro economic levels and we can now move to next phase i.e. finding solutions.

However it will be a tough and important tasks and will require expert opinions
 
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As per my own list key problems of Pakistan's economy at micro-economic levels are:

  1. Lack of skilled and semi-skilled labors.
  2. No culture of research and development.
  3. Inefficient production.
  4. Charity v/s investment.
  5. Sick industries.
  6. Lack of public listed companies.
  7. Lack of capital investors willing to take risk.
  8. Lack of culture of entrepreneurship especially in manufacturing industry.
  9. Lack of export support to the business organizations.
  10. Trade friendly laws and policies rather than manufacturing friendly policies (mirco as well macro economic issue)
  11. Smuggling and duty avoidance.
  12. Job security in government organization resulting in lack of initiative and commitment.
  13. Culture of middle man.
  14. Culture resistant to change.
  15. Priority on low income industries such as agriculture.
  16. Lack of value addition products.

Do you have any good ideas to resolve each one of the problems that you have identified?
 
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If you are focussing on micro economic and cultural issues I would focus on below :
a) Brutal enforcement of egalatarian values on society. This will come through land reform and merciless abolition of biradari and other clan centric systems. Already Islam speaks about egalatarian values but in reality Pakistan seems to have much of fedual and caste systems (though not as bad) that plague India.
b) Rigorous protection of property. Once land reforms are done and (rural)land wealth has been redestributed and new rules laid than any land property acquired by citizens through legal means must be strictly protected by government from land grabbers and others. This is especially important in urban areas. Without this people will not have confidence to invest and optimism to earn and save.
c) Protect language diversity. Languages of pakistan are ancient and are intellectual assets and all of them must be nurtured.
d) Ruthless supression of street justice. once laws(and it can be anything including shariah) are agreed then only courts have jurisdiction on them. Not streets.
e) Mass education of citizens.
f) Mass and forced savings programs for employees.
g) Govt sponsored rural employment guarentee schemes. if well implemented these can pay rich dividends. In most rural areas agriculture work is seasonal and lot of rural people have no work then. Even simple works like canal digging by govt with good daily wages can bring in lot of infrastructure.
h) All subsidies must be cash and paid directly to beneficiary.
 
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