Deployment of THAAD: News & Discussions

[Kyle Sun]

U.S hurts other people not it's own. unlike communist countries like the USSR,China, and NK that kill millions of it's own people.

so I guess you got me there

Even we are evils like Hitler, that does not change the truth that USA is the biggest war smuggler.

I don't blame you kill people.

what really makes me sick is you guys pretend to be a Saint while you killing innocent children women.

 

[艹艹艹]

U.S hurts other people not it's own. unlike communist countries like the USSR,China, and NK that kill millions of it's own people.

so I guess you got me there

 

[gambit]

big rally they got there. what is that like 12 people

Actually...I was there. It was more like 12 MILLIONS Americans, and more were coming in. The Park Service was under orders not to count or even give an estimate. People were calling in sick so they can drive cross country to attend the protest. I saw license plates from Alaska. Amazon, Facebook, and Overstock had to hire temps -- illegal immigrants -- to cover their employees who took off in the name of peace and to protest against American imperialism.

Trust me on this...

 

[C130]

Whataboutism again. And, you are wrong again.

Read up about your actual history instead of selectively reporting what fits your narrative.

First, look up the eight nation alliance that includes American "heroes" to drug China with Opium and carve up the country. Then, read up on how America didn't care about "ch*nks" for years [while supplying Imperial Japan with war making supplies and energy] until they were attacked by Japan.

Oh, and btw, America stole the loot from Imperial Japan. See Gold Warriors Americas Recovery Yamashitas's Gold.

America hardly finished anything. Japan was negotiating the conditions for surrender already after they suffered major losses to the Chinese and Russians. Dropping the nukes on civilians twice were war crimes that America has yet to pay for.

Furthermore, don't pretend that America cared about China. History indisputably proves otherwise.

Search USA’s warfare against China 1/2 and 2/2. Like every other Asian country, the Americans were busy funding pro-American puppets. In China's case, it was the KMT.

You are right about one thing. It was funny to compare when NK was the victim of Western aggression. It is absolutely hilarious how the most powerful and technologically advanced group of Western invaders got beaten in the longest retreat in modern military history. You remember bug out fever, don't you? The American coward general MacArthur wanted to use 30 nukes during the Korean war because he couldn't defeat starving volunteers with air superiority, biological weapons, and a coalition of the "willing".



Source: TRUCE TENT AND FIGHTING FRONT eBook: Walter G. Hermes p.511

That's truly hilarious.

Right now, your star spangled military can't even handle sandal-wearing "insurgents" whom Western nations invaded. That also, is hilarious.

Speaking of invasions and brutality...

Don't forget to take your meds.



You're bragging about killing other people? Your nation's attitude all makes sense now.

BTW, those numbers for China are wrong and have been long debunked. The 65 million is based on the fraudulent giant death toll hypothesis. Furthermore, that was a famine not genocide. Similarly, the Cambodia figure is nonsense. That number includes the mass murder carried out by American bombings. Same with North Korea, where the West killed 25% of the Korean population to "save them".

Genocide is what a certain group of "enlightened and peaceful people with Western humanist traditions" did to the Blacks in Congo [10 million alone by just Belgium], First Nations in Canada, America and South America. All these sensationalist charts about the evils of communism can't even hold a candle to the horrors of "Christian capitalist salvation".

See Pagans in the Promised Land: Decoding the Doctrine of Christian Discovery.

Why don't you tally up a death toll and compare Western Imperialism [AKA Western styled capitalism] vs communism and report back since you're so confident. Inquiring minds wish to know.

You can start with the 85 million dead in India alone due to the British Raj capitalist system then you can add some of the fine capitalist contributions by the leader of the free world, America by referencing Killing Hope [book]

bragging we don't kill our own like the USSR,China, and NK did, but if you think these three countries wouldn't have unleashed it's fury on the world if it weren't for the U.S then you are a fool.

U.S is the lesser evil. while I don't agree with out policies of the last 3 decades though. you can't control the Middle East.

 

[Hindustani78]

By AFP | Updated: Nov 04, 2016, 04.13 PM IST
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...-8-10-months-general/articleshow/55244187.cms

SEOUL: The United States will deploy an advanced missile defense system in South Korea in eight to 10 months despite strong objections from China and Russia, a US military chief said today.

Seoul and Washington agreed to deploy the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system in the South after North Korea conducted a series of missile launches in the wake of its fourth nuclear test in January.

The decision was condemned by Pyongyang and also caused a damaging rift between Seoul and Beijing, which sees the deployment as a US bid to flex its military muscle in the region and undermine China's own missile capabilities.

Speaking at a seminar, General Vincent Brooks, commander of the US Forces in Korea (USFK), said the THAAD battery would be deployed in eight to 10 months and would be bigger than the one currently in Guam, according to USFK Spokesman Kim Yong-Kyu.

Brooks also said that recent calls for South Korea to have its own nuclear arsenal to deter the North would seriously "complicate" the situation in the Asia-Pacific region, Yonhap news agency reported.

South Korea in September announced a new location for deploying THAAD, after vocal protests from local residents near the original site over potential health and environmental hazards.

Some opposition lawmakers are also opposed to THAAD, despite President Park Geun-Hye's insistence that the system is crucial to national defence.

Since Seoul and Washington announced the THAAD deployment was going ahead, North Korea has continued to conduct missile tests and carried out a fifth nuclear test on September 9.

 

[lonelyman]

U.S hurts other people not it's own. unlike communist countries like the USSR,China, and NK that kill millions of it's own people.
so I guess you got me there

Look what u did in Iraq, Syria and you still gave face to lecture other people

 

[C130]

Look what u did in Iraq, Syria and you still gave face to lecture other people

the U.S was just a pawn. Israel,Saudi Arabia,UAE, and Qatar paid the U.S to attack Iraq.

notice how oil prices went from like $25 dollars to over $100 after the Iraq war. who do you think benefited from this the most?

 

[Hindustani78]

http://www.interfax.com/newsinf.asp?pg=3&id=717648

November 28, 2016 16:22

MOSCOW. Nov 28 (Interfax) - Pyongyang is warning that the area of the possible deployment of the United States‘ Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) in South Korea could be the primary target in case of a war on the Korean Peninsula.

"In case of an outbreak of war on the Korean Peninsula, the area of THAAD deployment will be a target for the first strike," read materials of the North Korean embassy to Russia obtained by Interfax on Monday.

However, the target for North Korean nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles "is the continental part of the U.S., its military bases and aggressive strongholds in the Pacific Ocean, rather than South Korea."

The embassy also pointed out that the real goal of the THAAD deployment in South Korea "is to scout various offensive and defense means of its [U.S.] adversaries, which are China and Russia, and to build up the power of its preventive strike."

It is noted in the materials that it was U.S. actions "aimed at strangulating North Korea" that led to North Korea‘s obtaining nuclear arms and building up its nuclear potential.

The embassy also pointed at negative consequences that may result from deployment of THAAD in South Korea, including the negative influence of THAAD radar electromagnetic waves on human beings and the biosphere.

South Korean media reported in early November citing commander of United States Forces Korea Vincent Brooks that THAAD is expected to be deployed in South Korea within eight to ten months.

South Korea and the U.S. earlier reached an agreement to place THAAD in the south of the Korean Peninsula. The two countries explained the need for the THAAD deployment in terms of a growing threat from North Korea that has regularly been conducting ballistic missile tests and is developing its nuclear program. According to South Korean media, the THAAD deployment in South Korea may cost up to $1.3 billion.

Meanwhile, the Japanese Defense Ministry announced last week its plans to shift the deployment of THAAD to an earlier term, Japanese media reported. It was planned that Japan might deploy THAAD in 2019-203, but 20 North Korea‘s ballistic missile tests in 2016 prompted Tokyo to introduce the ground-based system earlier.

Japanese media also reported that Tokyo plans to introduce the Aegis Ashore missile defense system.

Russia and China have repeatedly spoken against the deployment of THAAD in South Korea. In particular, it was reported in late October that senior representatives of the Russian and Chinese foreign ministries stated at the 5th round of the Russian-Chinese Dialogue on Security in Northeast Asia in Beijing that they are concerned over Pyongyang‘s line in the nuclear missile sphere but gave a negative assessment to plans to deploy THAAD in South Korea.

 

[Nan Yang]

China Brings More Economic Retaliation for THAAD Against South Korea

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[Jlaw]

That's just the beginning. Since China can face head on with the US biggest corp like Google, microsoft...these korean companies don't stand a chance.

 

[Chhatrapati]

China Brings More Economic Retaliation for THAAD Against South Korea

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So, China expect South Korea to bend their own defense agreements in favor of China?
But China wants one belt one road kind of economic relations with other countries. And they will put sanctions if anything that don't favor them happens. Hmmm, this looks very similar to what US is trying to do.

That's just the beginning. Since China can face head on with the US biggest corp like Google, microsoft...these korean companies don't stand a chance.

With Baidu and NeoKylin? Good luck!

 

[ahojunk]

China's probe into S Korea's Lotte Group unrelated to THAAD deployment: expert
2016-12-05 08:39 | Global Times | Editor: Li Yan

Chinese experts on Friday said the decision to investigate units of South Korea's Lotte Group in China was a legitimate regulatory action, and that it was not related to the company's involvement in the deployment of a U.S. missile defense system.

A representative at Lotte China headquarters in Shanghai confirmed with the Global Times on Friday that several subsidiaries of the company have been investigated by Chinese authorities for tax, fire control and safety issues.

The representative, who requested anonymity, said they are still gathering information from these subsidiaries and that the company attaches great importance to Chinese laws and safety regulations.

But the representative refrained from commenting further on the investigation or if the company has been in contact with the South Korean government.

South Korea's Yonhap News Agency reported Friday that the South Korean government is considering to express regret over China's probes into Lotte because "the action may be in retaliation to" the planned deployment of the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system.

Lotte has signed a deal with the South Korean government to provide a golf course in Southeast South Korea for the THAAD deployment, according to Yonhap.

Experts said the South Korean government and Lotte may have misread and complicated the investigations.

"They are connecting dots that are not really related here," Lü Chao, a research fellow with the Liaoning Academy of Social Sciences, told the Global Times. He said though it is obvious that Lotte's involvement in the THAAD issue raised concerns among some Chinese, the probes are "legitimate and are common" to foreign companies operating in the Chinese market.

The Chinese government's authority to oversee and investigate any foreign company operating in China in accordance with law is indisputable, said Gao Liankui, an expert from the Department of Economics with the Renmin University of China.

However, the accusation that China is punishing a private firm for political disputes is "unreasonable," Lü said, noting China has "many more ways" to express its opposition to the THAAD issue, including through diplomatic and military channels.

"China has genuine concerns over the deployment of THAAD system, and South Korea should rethink its decision before further damaging bilateral relations. Meanwhile, China should take appropriate counter measures," Lü said.

DPRK responds to sanctions

DPRK's leader Kim Jong-un on Friday observed a huge artillery drill and threatened to "make a clean sweep" of South Korea if war broke out, in an apparent response to fresh sanctions on his country.

The military drill carried out by DPRK front-line units reportedly simulated hitting targets in South Korea, Yonhap reported. Kim Jong-un said "nobody and nothing" could survive such military strikes, which, if inflicted on South Korean forces, could "completely break their will of counteraction at the start and make a clean sweep of them."

South Korea on Friday announced new unilateral sanctions against DPRK, which includes adding 35 entities and 36 individuals to a blacklist, according to a separate Yonhap report.

South Korea included a Chinese firm and four executives of the company to its sanction list, the first time Chinese entities are targeted by South Korean sanctions, Yonhap said.


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I don't think so.
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[Nan Yang]

So, China expect South Korea to bend their own defense agreements in favor of China?
But China wants one belt one road kind of economic relations with other countries. And they will put sanctions if anything that don't favor them happens. Hmmm, this looks very similar to what US is trying to do.



With Baidu and NeoKylin? Good luck!

THAAD is useless for defending S Korea. N Korea is just next door. They can just throw a bomb over the border. By allowing Americans to operate it, it just further entrench US forces in S Korea.
THAAD however will protect Japan which Koreans hate.

THAAD also threaten both Russia and China's interest, S Korea's neighbors.

It's a stupid decision... totally.

On the other hand, Trading does not harm anybody.

 

[8888888888888]

The current S Korean president is corrupt, could they have paid her to deploy Thaad.

 

[TaiShang]

S.Korea might be humbler in US alliance

By Zhao Lixin Source: Global Times Published: 2016/12/11

Illustration: Liu Rui/GT

South Korea's National Assembly on Friday impeached President Park Geun-hye by 234 to 56. The president, mired in a confidante scandal, was then suspended while the top court considers whether to uphold the parliamentary vote of the impeachment. With her reputation stained, Park is unlikely to step down in a dignified way.

There is a slim chance that Park's presidency can be reinstated. When similarly the National Assembly voted to impeach former president Roh Moo-hyun in March 2004, the impeachment was largely opposed by the public. But Park's impeachment was hailed this time by protesters.

South Korean people, politicians and international opinion believe that the country's political system can return to normal and the presidential election will probably be held ahead of schedule. This heralds a fierce competition between political parties in the country. But what concerns South Korea most is whether its alliance with the US will be redefined in the imminent era of Donald Trump.

Trump repeatedly emphasized "America first" during his campaign. He demanded Seoul take a greater share of the costs of hosting US forces, supported Seoul to arm itself with nuclear weapons and indicated he would talk to North Korean leader Kim Jong-un. He even blasted South Korea over its free trade agreement (FTA) with the US as a destroyer of jobs in the US auto industry.

All these seem to imply that US policy on the Korean Peninsula will see dramatic changes after Trump is sworn in, and South Korea's concerns are well grounded, given its sensitivity to security. In fact, the US is also worried that South Korea's political crisis may affect the deployment of the Terminal High-Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) system in the country and impede the implementation of the General Security of Military Information Agreement signed between Seoul and Tokyo.

However, Seoul may not need to be too worried. Right after his victory, Trump talked with Park and Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and pledged his commitment to the US alliance with the two countries. In a meeting with visiting South Korea's deputy presidential national security adviser Cho Tae-yong in mid-November, Trump's national security advisor Michael Flynn said he would work to strengthen the alliance and give priority to Pyongyang's nuclear program. And after the Friday impeachment, the US State Department reaffirmed its commitment to the alliance.

It is fair to say that Trump's election and Park's impeachment won't shake up the two countries' long-time alliance. On the contrary, Washington may need Seoul as a strategic pivot more than any other time, to help maintain the US geopolitical margin in Eurasia, counter China with the rebalancing to the Asia-Pacific and meet a variety of US demands across the world.

But Seoul still faces unusual pressure. So far, Trump has not expressed a clear-cut stance on dealing with North Korea and its nuclear program. Seoul worries that Trump may soften its pressurizing of Pyongyang, which is unacceptable. Interestingly, Pyongyang has made no comment on Trump's win.

Trump won't withdraw US forces from South Korea, but with his "America first" philosophy, Seoul is highly likely to pay for a higher portion of the cost, with no other option. This may trigger anti-US sentiment in South Korea, as seen during Roh's ruling. Yet if Seoul rejects more defense costs, the US can still balance its interests by pressuring Seoul over the FTA.

Given South Korea's lackluster economy and strained relations with China due to THAAD deployment, Seoul would face lots of hardship if it enrages the US in addition to China.

Against this backdrop, it can be expected that the US-South Korea relationship will be rebalanced. In the alliance where the two sides are not on an equal footing, South Korea will become humbler while the US tougher. It won't take long before Seoul comes to realize that its space to maneuver among the powers is dwindling.

Will there be some flexibility in Seoul's relations with Washington? It depends on how much strategic value South Korea carries for the US and on the geopolitical competition of powers. Even if Park's impeachment is upheld by the courts, and the opposition leader of the Minjoo Party of Korea, Moon Jae-in, is elected the next South Korean president, it will hardly reverse the conservative trend of the country and the THAAD deployment will still proceed.

The current political setback in South Korea can be fundamentally attributed to the financial oligarchy. South Korea has exaggerated its own threats and considered the US threats as its own. If this goes on, South Korea will always be upset by insecurity even though it has the world's strongest country as its ally.

The author is director of the Department of International Political Science, College of Political Science and Public Management, Yanbian University. opinion@globaltimes.com.cn