Deobandi Jamaat And Taliban

[EjazR]

Categorising the Taliban to be a part of the Deobandi school of thought is nothing short of ignorance. Deoband is a prestigious Islamic seminary / university that can be compared to for example Harvard in the US or Oxford in the UK. Just because a graduate from Harvard or Oxford or Deoband for that matter, does something does not mean that the school itself is responsible. And note that all the leading Deoband ulemas in India and Pakistan have opposed the Taliban ideology. Just because there is a "mulla" in front of someone's name does not make him a deoband graduate

Originally Posted by fateh71 View Post
It spreading with Saudi money, hope you give some back to them brothas too

If you are saying that the Tablighi Jamaat is funded by Saudi money, you are wrong as it is actually not allowed there. China and Saudi Arabia are the only two countries which have not allowed them.

Originally Posted by Bill Longley
Talibs who have targeted Tablighi Jamaat also part of Deobandi School of thought have become blind and proven that they are Kharjies of mordern times.

Tablighi Jamaat do not claim to be part of Deobandi school of thought. It is a pan-Islamic movement working at grass roots level and completely apolitical. All Muslims including hanafis, shafaees, sufis, sunnis e.t.c. can be found. This is because the main emphasis is on becoming good muslims and not on secretarian differences

 

[waraich66]

Categorising the Taliban to be a part of the Deobandi school of thought is nothing short of ignorance. Deoband is a prestigious Islamic seminary / university that can be compared to for example Harvard in the US or Oxford in the UK. Just because a graduate from Harvard or Oxford or Deoband for that matter, does something does not mean that the school itself is responsible. And note that all the leading Deoband ulemas in India and Pakistan have opposed the Taliban ideology. Just because there is a "mulla" in front of someone's name does not make him a deoband graduate

Originally Posted by fateh71 View Post
It spreading with Saudi money, hope you give some back to them brothas too

If you are saying that the Tablighi Jamaat is funded by Saudi money, you are wrong as it is actually not allowed there. China and Saudi Arabia are the only two countries which have not allowed them.

Originally Posted by Bill Longley
Talibs who have targeted Tablighi Jamaat also part of Deobandi School of thought have become blind and proven that they are Kharjies of mordern times.

Tablighi Jamaat do not claim to be part of Deobandi school of thought. It is a pan-Islamic movement working at grass roots level and completely apolitical. All Muslims including hanafis, shafaees, sufis, sunnis e.t.c. can be found. This is because the main emphasis is on becoming good muslims and not on secretarian differences

Brother,

Saudi Arabia government allowed Tableegi jamat to work in kingdom but under certain limits.

Only two countries dont allow jamat activities Iraq and Afghanistan both are under occupation and suffered lot of blood shed.
Actually dawah(amir bil marouf nahi mukir) is only protection of muslim society.It is cleaning system of muslim society evils.

 

[EjazR]

Brother,

Saudi Arabia government allowed Tableegi jamat to work in kingdom but under certain limits.

Only two countries dont allow jamat activities Iraq and Afghanistan both are under occupation and suffered lot of blood shed.
Actually dawah(amir bil marouf nahi mukir) is only protection of muslim society.It is cleaning system of muslim society evils.

I understand what you mean, but I wanted to clarify this myth that KSA supports financially or otherwise the TJ. This is far from truth as the Saudi government doesnt allow them to work in the masjids there. This is not necessarily because they are averse to it but more because they want to control any preaching that occurs in the masjids there.

 

[Xtremeownage]

Deobandis must speak out against the Taliban!

Until now, I have NOT heard of the Jamath-e-Islami speak against these Taliban-Munafiqs.

If there are any Deobandis here, please tell your leaders to speak against these Talibans!

 

[waraich66]

Deobandis must speak out against the Taliban!

Until now, I have NOT heard of the Jamath-e-Islami speak against these Taliban-Munafiqs.

If there are any Deobandis here, please tell your leaders to speak against these Talibans!

Amir of Tableegi jamat condemed talabanisation in Pakistan and Afghanistan.It is great blow for talaban movements in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Pushtoons of NWFP have great respect for Tableegi Jamat.They will now not support talaban,sufi or Mahsood.

 

[HAIDER]

So, now Tableegi Jamat is risking their life. Because they already slaughter one of five member of TJ in Swat.Don't know what their motive.

 

[waraich66]

So, now Tableegi Jamat is risking their life. Because they already slaughter one of five member of TJ in Swat.Don't know what their motive.

Tableegi jamat have full support of local respectable elders , if GOP want quick sucess they should take help of tableegi jamat .

 

[HAIDER]

Thats the problem TJ has public support, but who going to leash these hardcore. They are few and ready to die. They were little kids during Afghan war and now these madrassah made them human monsters. They are EXTREMELY brainwashed militants.

 

[waraich66]

Thats the problem TJ has public support, but who going to leash these hardcore. They are few and ready to die. They were little kids during Afghan war and now these madrassah made them human monsters. They are EXTREMELY brainwashed militants.

True, but first step should be that their breeding grounds millatent mullah madarasahs should be closed.Why GOP is not taking action aganist jehadi mullah madrasah is big question mark?

 

[HAIDER]

Need money to create jobs for them.When Mushi try to crackdown on these Madrassh, all mullah started heavy opposition. Plus these are in thousands. Mullahs are not ready to give up their home made armies.

 

[Xtremeownage]

Good.

But they should speak out more, because I have not heard them yet. This is the first time that I heard about them speaking against the Taliban!

Thanks for the info, and if you know any influential deobandi leaders, can you tell them to speak out against the Taliban!

The more people who speak out against the Taliban, the better!

 

[RabzonKhan]

Editorial: Clashing interpretations of Islam

May 05, 2009

Sufi Muhammad of the TNSM and the Swat Taliban led by the TTP have rejected the Darul Qaza judges appointed by the NWFP government in the Malakand-Swat region. Sufi Muhammad’s explanation for rejecting the appointment of “judges” where he would have appointed “qazis” could have been endorsed by a majority of the madrassa clergy in Pakistan but for his other “edicts” that offend the national clergy across the board. One can say that the madrassa clergy has developed a schism in which the Sufi and the Taliban stand isolated.

There has emerged a third variant, that of the “mazar” clerics who reject the theology of the madrassa plus the Taliban brand that the Sufi wants to impose. The most significant statement of the third variant has come from our Foreign Minister Mr Shah Mehmood Qureshi who is also the spiritual custodian of one of the country’s most important “mazar” shrines, that of Shah Rukn-e-Alam in Multan, where he recently addressed the devotees of the mystic saint on his 695th anniversary.

Breaking with the custom of not emphasising the Deobandi-Barelvi schism, Mr Qureshi said on Sunday: “The Sunni Tehreek has decided to activate itself against Talibanisation in the country. A national consensus against terrorism is emerging across the country”. The Sunni Tehreek, of course, is an aggressive version of the Barelvi faith that has emerged in Karachi in the face of Deobandi-Ahle Hadith dominance in the mega-city and is now actively seeking cooperation from Barelvi organisations in the rest of the country to face up to the armed madrassa followers.

Pakistan began as a Barelvi-dominated country with only the NWFP and parts of Balochistan under Deobandi control. After 1947, however, the state inclined in favour of the Deobandi madrassas when faced with the task of Islamisation under the Objectives Resolution. Later, exigencies of jihad, whose fighters had to be trained in a predominantly Deobandi Afghanistan, compelled the state to avoid empowering the Barelvi school of thought. Today, most cities are under the sway of Deobandi thinking while the country’s rural majority is still devoted to the Barelvi saints.

Sufi Muhammad has created a new situation in which a new “national consensus” is forming about the Deobandi view of the national security state. Foreign Minister Qureshi has come to the conclusion that since the Sufi and his Taliban have offended the predominant Deobandi clergy by rejecting democracy it may defuse the latter’s objections to Barelvi practices. Or at least the state may feel more secure in taking action against the isolated militants of Malakand and thus find it easier to oppose the tough version of Islam called Talibanisation in the rest of the country. The reference to Sunni Tehreek by him however hints at an alternative power in civil society that may balance the street power of the Taliban sympathisers.

Sufi Muhammad has cut himself off from the powerful Deobandi consensus because of his charismatic and heroic self-image, very much like Maulana Abdul Aziz of Lal Masjid in 2007 when he began to reject his Deobandi backers because of what he claimed was their passivity in the face of the challenge to enforce sharia in Islamabad. One often forgets that an important factor that persuaded the government in 2007 to attack Lal Masjid was the disavowal of Maulana Aziz by the confederation of Deobandi madrassas in Multan. Unfortunately, the country, after a spurt of support to this action, went back to calling it a “blunder”.

The situation has changed since 2007, however. The Taliban are not the distant upholders of true Islam in Kabul being pulverised by the Americans after 2001. They are militants who use terror to subjugate communities, kill innocent Muslims through suicide-bombing, and want to replace democracy with a despotic order. A highly disciplined political entity, the MQM has resolved to stand up to them. It may come to regard the Barelvi school of thought as its ideological base because most of its cadres are old followers of the great Barelvi leader, Maulana Shah Ahmad Noorani of the Jamiat-e Ulema-e Pakistan.

The state has supported jihad and empowered the madrassa. Will it now be neutral and take advantage of the “consensus” referred to by Mr Qureshi and play a fair game vis-à-vis the people of Pakistan? This consensus is useful only in so far as it stands behind the army as it confronts the Taliban. The state must win this war.

 

[Xtremeownage]

Amir of Tableegi jamat condemed talabanisation in Pakistan and Afghanistan.It is great blow for talaban movements in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Pushtoons of NWFP have great respect for Tableegi Jamat.They will now not support talaban,sufi or Mahsood.

Why hasn't Jamath-E-Islami spoken out against the Taliban then?

 

[wtf]

Deobandis must speak out against the Taliban!

Until now, I have NOT heard of the Jamath-e-Islami speak against these Taliban-Munafiqs.

If there are any Deobandis here, please tell your leaders to speak against these Talibans!

Deobandis (Darul-Uloom) did issue a Fatwa against terrorism.
MADRASA REFORMS IN INDIA: Text of Darul Uloom Deoband's Fatwa Against Terrorism.

Or, directly from their website
Fatwa ID: 5677 - Darul Ifta

 

[EjazR]

Deoband affiliated ulema both in India and Pakistan have spoken out against the Taliban for a long time. However, the media always doesn't cover this and intentionally or unintentionally omits this information.

Now many ulemas are taking a step forward and giving interviews and engaging the media more actively to explain their point of view; as well as let the common muslims know their stand on these issues.

FYI, Mullah Nazeer of the TTP fame had actually mentioned in an interview on Al-Jazeera that very few ulema are supporting his tehreek and he is trying to get more ulema on his side.

Regarding TJ, infact back in 1998-1999 many elders had expressed reservations about the Taliban ideology of forcing men to have beards e.t.c. after establishing the Islamic emirate in Afghanistan way before 9/11 happened. When Taliban asked them to give support to their movement, Tablighi Jamaat elders said that they don't take any political stands whatsoever as usual.

They however asked the Taliban to only encourage people to change their ways (amr bil maruf) and bring out a change at a grass roots level rather than imposing and forcing their so called "sharia" on people top-down which would make people go away from Islam and cause more problems. Definitely looks like that was wise advice in hindsight.