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Bill Longley

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Taliban Belongs to Deobandi jamaat and Take inspiration from Ulema Like Mollana Fazal lur Rehman, Sami ul Haq and Fazal lur Rehman Khalil
but in this same Sect majority of People are turning against Talibs..
if deobandi ulema of Pakistan denounces talib movement then their support will end in deobandi dominated areas of FATA

Talibs who have targeted Tablighi Jamaat also part of Deobandi School of thought have become blind and proven that they are Kharjies of modren times.:sniper:
it was reported when TNSM thugs captured tablighi Markaz in Swat they presented tablighi jamaat members BUQAS and said you people are our sisters and we will protect you....when one molvi saab protested the talib comannder replied because you dont take arms for islam thats why we call you ladies when you will pick up arms you will become our brothers

today ary reported talibs have kiddnapped 5 tablighi jamatias

yesterday tablighi jammat amir mollana abdul wahab condemned talibs and said sharia can never be forced with gun and others condemned terror and militancy in name of ISLAm

I think Deobandi Ulema should come out and brain wash Deoband followers who are under talib influence
 
Tableege jamat has respect not only in Pakistan but also in whole world.
Jehadi mullahism should be banned in Pakistan
 
Deobandism was introduced into FATA by you know who.

Tablighi Jamaat have no moderate philosophy either.

Both of them were nurtured in India.

Hopefully it can be given back there.
 
Islam in Britain and South Asia

A single space

Apr 30th 2009

From The Economist print edition

Theologically as well as socially, Muslims in Britain and their countries of origin form a seamless whole

TWO government ministers, both practising Muslims, met in Islamabad, the capital of Pakistan, in April and agreed to co-ordinate their efforts to broaden the curriculum at religious schools. A set of teaching materials would be sent out to madrassas with the aim of enriching the diet. As well as learning the Koran, pupils would be taught how Islam was compatible with citizenship.

This approach, the ministers decided, would work well in their respective countries, Britain and Pakistan. Admittedly, the role played by madrassas in the two places is different. In England’s smokestack cities, they are frequented by Muslim children as a supplement to state schooling. In the slums and refugee camps of Pakistan, they offer a meal and an education of sorts to boys who would otherwise be illiterate.

But in both countries, the ministers agreed, madrassas at their most deficient can leave the young open to extremists. That is not just because of what they teach, more because of what they do not, such as how to live peaceably with those who follow a different faith or just another form of Islam. As the Pakistani official told his British counterpart, the cohesion minister, Sadiq Khan, inadequate theology and terrorism can be points on a single spectrum.

Not just for security types and sociologists, but also for theologians, Britain and its ex-dominions in South Asia are virtually a single entity. Schools of Islam that emerged in India as a reaction to the British raj are now vying for influence in the north of England. The passions generated by the Bangladeshi variety of Islamism are as lively in London as they are in Dhaka. Anybody who hopes for stability and social peace in the Muslim parts of South Asia has to keep an eye on the Islamic scene in Britain. The reverse also applies. The flow of South Asian imams to Britain has recently slowed, but in an internet age there are other ways for ideas to travel.

Whenever intra-Muslim tension flares in Pakistan—for example, with the trashing of a Sufi shrine or the takeover of a mosque—Britain’s authorities watch for tension in English cities. And the war now raging between the Pakistani government and Taliban rebels is affecting the mood among British Muslims. How exactly may depend on where they come from, geographically and theologically.

Life would be easier for students of Anglo-Asian Islam if one theological movement always produced moderates and another always led to extremism. But things are never that straightforward. As Philip Lewis, a Bradford-based writer on British Islam, puts it, “In all schools [of Islam], there are some individuals playing a constructive role.” And in virtually all schools there are some doing the opposite.

Still, in their Islamic scenes Britain and Pakistan do have one simple thing in common: religious education is dominated by purist teachers, who trace their roots to the Indian town of Deoband where an Islamic place of learning was founded in 1866. Designed to instil and spread a rigorous form of faith (robust enough to survive colonialism and the “corrupting” influences of other cultures), the Deobandi philosophy sets austere rules for personal behaviour. It sees the veneration of saints, and even excessive attention to the Prophet, as a distraction from God.

Among its offshoots are the Tablighi Jama’at, a huge, worldwide missionary movement (strong in Yorkshire and London), in which lay people help to propagate the idea of a pious life. And another offshoot of the Deobandis, as critics always note, is the Taliban, as they emerged in Afghanistan and then in Pakistan.

But that does not mean all Deobandis, either in Britain or South Asia, support violence. Just as well, given that at least 16 of Britain’s 22 Muslim “seminaries” (in other words, places that offer intensive, full-time Islamic instruction from the age of 12 upwards) are of the Deobandi persuasion. Their curriculum is modelled on Islamic learning under the Mogul empire.

Tim Winter, an influential British convert to Islam, believes that for all their narrow intensity, the British Deobandi seminaries won’t foster violence: their ethos is cautious and traditional. But some alumni of Britain’s Deobandi institutions do advocate self-segregation by Muslims, especially where local indigenous culture is dominated by alcohol and drugs.

Anyway, in Britain as in Pakistan, a plurality of ordinary South Asian Muslims follows a different form of the faith: the Barelvi tradition, which celebrates shrines, saints and music. One pioneer of Muslim education in Britain is of the Barelvi school: Musharraf Hussain, an imam who runs a school, mosque, radio station and magazine in Nottingham. He fears that among Britain’s Muslim establishment, sectarian splits are becoming “entrenched and fossilised”. Some Deobandis retain a deep sense of victimhood and grievance.

Clearly, some young British Muslims ignore the sectarian issues that gripped their parents. Sometimes this reflects secularisation. Sometimes it reflects the opposite: belief in a “global umma”, or community, that differentiates all Muslims from all non-believers. Still, the Nottingham imam has observed one unexpected side-effect from the turmoil engulfing Pakistan. Many British Muslims, he thinks, will “move on” in a healthy way. They will give up the dream of resettling in South Asia and put down firmer roots in Britain.

A harsher message is emerging from some mosques in the north of England, especially in places like Burnley where many have roots in the war zone on Pakistan’s border with Afghanistan. The plight of people fleeing the region is keenly felt. Many blame Pakistan’s government, not the rebels. “People think the Pakistani government is fighting not for itself, but for American interests,” says Abdul Hamid Qureshi, the chairman of the Lancashire Council of Mosques, which groups Muslims of all shades. People in an angry and defensive mood will hardly welcome Gordon Brown’s pledge, on April 29th, to work with the Pakistani army to fight terror. Neither will they take too seriously the prime minister’s vow to boost education and ease poverty on Pakistan’s border.

British Muslims, who number at least 2m, can amaze their cousins from South Asia with their religious conservatism. One reason is the high incidence of migration from poor, rural parts of South Asia, such as Mirpur in Kashmir and Sylhet in Bangladesh. In Bangladesh the fortunes of the Islamist Jamaat-e-Islami party plummeted in last December’s election. But the movement can still attract second- and third-generation youths of Sylheti origin in London, who know little of the group’s record at home. Some British-based Bangladeshis are dismayed by the influence the Islamists enjoy in the diaspora.

Worry over radicalism made in Britain extends to Bangladesh, too. In March the Bangladeshi authorities raided a madrassa that was full of guns and ammunition. It emerged that this supposed school had been financed and run by a charity based in Britain. There are some institutions that no teaching material will correct.

Islam in Britain and South Asia | A single space | The Economist
 
Deobandism was introduced into FATA by you know who.

Tablighi Jamaat have no moderate philosophy either.

Both of them were nurtured in India.

Hopefully it can be given back there.

Cannot overcome India hatred by baseless claim?

Do not forget your are targeting the same religious community you belong.
 
DEOBANDI ULEMA WERE THE ONLY ULEMA WHO OPPOSED THE creation of pakistan and its historical fact.... even after the independence of Pakistan Father of mollana Fazulur Rehman Mufti mahmood said
[6]اللہ کا شکر ہے ہم(علماء دیو بند) پاکستان بنانے کے گناہ مین شریک نہین تھے۔۔۔۔۔۔[/6]

it was sufies who sacrificed for Pakistan where as those who claim to be orignal muslims like JI or Deoband opposed it....

Deoband reached its peak during afghan war( US jehad against Soviats) with american blessings

it will be surprized for many that GREAT FREEDOM FIGHTER FROM WAZIRISTAN HAJJI FAQIR IPPI WAS A SUFI FROM QADERIA ORDER but now his grand son Hafiz Gul Bahader is a Deobandi Talib
 
Deobandism was introduced into FATA by you know who.

Tablighi Jamaat have no moderate philosophy either.

Both of them were nurtured in India.

Hopefully it can be given back there.

It spreading with Saudi money, hope you give some back to them brothas too.
 
A harsher message is emerging from some mosques in the north of England, especially in places like Burnley where many have roots in the war zone on Pakistan’s border with Afghanistan. The plight of people fleeing the region is keenly felt. Many blame Pakistan’s government, not the rebels. “People think the Pakistani government is fighting not for itself, but for American interests,” says Abdul Hamid Qureshi, the chairman of the Lancashire Council of Mosques, which groups Muslims of all shades. People in an angry and defensive mood will hardly welcome Gordon Brown’s pledge, on April 29th, to work with the Pakistani army to fight terror. Neither will they take too seriously the prime minister’s vow to boost education and ease poverty on Pakistan’s border.

I know Hamid Qureshi and he is a nice guy but he was not born in the UK like the vast majority of the leaders in our community.......his point about “People think the Pakistani government is fighting not for itself, but for American interests,” is true but fails to mention that the the vast majority of pathaans in the north west of england support the attacks on the terrorist in FATA but its the punjabi-kashmiri groups that are against the attacks...

British Muslims, who number at least 2m, can amaze their cousins from South Asia with their religious conservatism. One reason is the high incidence of migration from poor, rural parts of South Asia, such as Mirpur in Kashmir and Sylhet in Bangladesh. In Bangladesh the fortunes of the Islamist Jamaat-e-Islami party plummeted in last December’s election. But the movement can still attract second- and third-generation youths of Sylheti origin in London, who know little of the group’s record at home. Some British-based Bangladeshis are dismayed by the influence the Islamists enjoy in the diaspora.

What infulence do the islamic parties have in mirpur.......none
 
DEOBANDI ULEMA WERE THE ONLY ULEMA WHO OPPOSED THE creation of pakistan and its historical fact.... even after the independence of Pakistan Father of mollana Fazulur Rehman Mufti mahmood said
[6]اللہ کا شکر ہے ہم(علماء دیو بند) پاکستان بنانے کے گناہ مین شریک نہین تھے۔۔۔۔۔۔[/6]

it was sufies who sacrificed for Pakistan where as those who claim to be orignal muslims like JI or Deoband opposed it....

Deoband reached its peak during afghan war( US jehad against Soviats) with american blessings

it will be surprized for many that GREAT FREEDOM FIGHTER FROM WAZIRISTAN HAJJI FAQIR IPPI WAS A SUFI FROM QADERIA ORDER but now his grand son Hafiz Gul Bahader is a Deobandi Talib

I love the way the british govt is now all after extremist prechers but nothing during the last 10-15 years to stop there infulence........the west has always promoted and backed the wahabi-debondi-thanvi cult over the majority sufi sunni brehlvi ummah and now its paying the price.

I remember the vists of Maulana Masood Azhar-Abu Hamza to our area and the complaints that the police received from the locals but did nothing......Our MP the idiot at the time was told to stop the visits of all these wahhabis as this would bring trouble in the long run to everybody but he was more intrested in not hurting the fellings of the saudis......even though neither was a saudi national.
 
There is no DEOBANDI sect in islam,it is just a madrasah.
Tabeleg Jamat is doing real service of islam peace fully without the help of any government or agency,they dont have any registered name ,they think all muslims are their member.They dont belive in violence.
 
hey dabong1 shalom,

you say "the west has always promoted and backed the wahabi-debondi-thanvi ". this is true but the "sufi sunni brehlvi ummah" as you put it is now going to be on the payroll of the west and will be promoted. check out Sufi Muslim Council and Quilliam.

divide & conquer.

first they came for the wahabbis and i did not speak out
then they came for the deobandis and i did not speak out
....
when they came for the barelwis, there was no-one to speak out!


yah get me blud!
 
hey dabong1 shalom,

you say "the west has always promoted and backed the wahabi-debondi-thanvi ". this is true but the "sufi sunni brehlvi ummah" as you put it is now going to be on the payroll of the west and will be promoted. check out Sufi Muslim Council and Quilliam.

divide & conquer.

first they came for the wahabbis and i did not speak out
then they came for the deobandis and i did not speak out
....
when they came for the barelwis, there was no-one to speak out!


yah get me blud!

aaahh u naughty Indian again giving bad name to Israelis ....Even if you come under real nick and Indian flag, nobody is holding you back from posting your comments..
 

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