Demography War in Turkey.

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

For The Turks, the original analyze is on this website: http://www.21yyte.org/arastirma/mil...5/20/7008/kurt-nufusu-demografik-savas-ve-cia

The International treaty of Lozan signed by Turkey and a few other countries admits that the only minority groups are the religious ones(non-muslims), However, with the AKP taking the power after elections, the minority groups have been counted over 36, and therefore Some laws had have to be changed according the prerequisites to be an EU member( even EU members attitude against minorities especially to refugees are worse) is what is told by AKP in order to break the Lozan treaty.

The biggest one of the ''minorities'' among those 36+ groups is ''Kurds''( Not proven such ''ethnic/race'' ever exists). However, The AKP has not stopped by calling them minortiy; they have been started to seen as founder ''nation'' of Turkey, and therefore some ''rights'' like education, tax, law, security etc. have to been re-organised by the new situation.

At this point Some Turks may wonder where this will go and end, I will give a few examples:

- On an official record in the meeting with BDP(now HDP ''politic party'') at Imralı prison, Abdullah Öcalan,The imprisoned leader of PKK terrorist organisation, said that'' In 2030 Kurdish population will be higher than Turkish population, at that time everything will naturally be solved'' ( The record has been aired in 2013 by Özcan Yeniçeri)

- In an Article in The Economist(14-21 March 2006) A reeve of Salder town in Diyarbakır in Turkey, with 2 wives and 13 childeren, said his duty is to raise Kurdish population.


Some people could underestimate this situation, ignore PKK terrorism, North Iraq and North Syria, ''Big Kurdistan meetings'' and ''Big Kurdistan Maps'', HDP attitude and support for this. I would also like to mention some figures in order to give the whole picture that Turkey will face in near future.

CIA has aired some data called Factbook, according to CIA the demography changes in Turkey:

The Turkish population decreases, whereas Kurkish population increases like sky-rocket.


Are some Turks aware of the looming problem for their children and grandchildren?

 

[flamer84]

Could it be possible that Kurds were simply underestimated in pre 1990 census ? thus giving higher figures when modern censuses were condocted ?

 

[Timur]

its not a demography war its also about cuölture and education and woman rights..

kurds mostly dont have this woman rights and good education of woman.. also their culture is different from our guys (big city and villages) mostly those in big villages live a european lifestyle wihtout marriage girlfriends etc.. and than you can imagine a child is not welcomed in this configuration.. also turks generally dont have much children nowadays..

but kurds have generally more children and are like arabs.. big families many children..

so if you dont do anything against this culture and dont educate the girls and bring them more rights or protect their rights than this will not stop..

 

[KediKesenFare3]

That's BULLSHIT. According to some Western researchers, my family is counted as Kurdish just because we're from Eastern Anatolia/Elazığ. Hundreds of thousands of Zazas are considered as Kurds despite the fact that we identify ourselves as Turks. Besides, within a decade the Kurdish birthrate declined by 50-55%.

Furthermore, all this counting is extremely racist. Western scholars usually don't take account of one serious and important issue in Turkey: assimilation.

One of my closest friends is a person of Kurdish origin from Bingöl and he's straightforward racist towards Kurds ('Genocide is a solution','We need concentration camps' etc.).

Kurdization is an artificial fear created by some right wing idiots to gain more votes. Since the Turkish Republic is founded probably millions of Kurds choosed the Turkish identity instead of remaining Kurdish. You guys simply don't 'see' them anymore and Westerners consider them as Kurdish because of the more genetic orientated perspective in Europe.

Identity is not static. Regardless of the current conflict the Turkish identity with its great Ottomanic past remains extremely attractive, even for Kurds.

 

[Dirtdiver]

Could it be possible that Kurds were simply underestimated in pre 1990 census ? thus giving higher figures when modern censuses were condocted ?

Do they pay taxes?
Do they abide the law?

I have never seen a Kurd loyal to the country suffering from underestimation. There's no example of it.
It's about being a citizen, not etnical trashes. Their business? Smuggling. Their "taxes"? money flow to PKK. Their electricity? Smuggled and illegal. Child per family? Many enough to form a soccer team.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Ok. İt's time again. @cabatli_53 , please.

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

its not a demography war its also about cuölture and education and woman rights..

kurds mostly dont have this woman rights and good education of woman.. also their culture is different from our guys (big city and villages) mostly those in big villages live a european lifestyle wihtout marriage girlfriends etc.. and than you can imagine a child is not welcomed in this configuration.. also turks generally dont have much children nowadays..

but kurds have generally more children and are like arabs.. big families many children..

so if you dont do anything against this culture and dont educate the girls and bring them more rights or protect their rights than this will not stop..

I did not expect that part to be put forward and brought on the table in that much soon, thank you.

With the change in demography in Turkey, We have started to see some culturel changes, especially starting in 1970s.

In Art We started to see some changes in culture that represents The Turkish life converted to ''Kurdish'' one; the movies with Şener Şen, Kemal Sunal,Münir Özkul actors etc. in Aile Şerefi, Bizim Aile,Hababam Sınıfı like movies are replaced with İbrahim Tatlıses, Hülya Avşar in Middle Eastern like movies. The T.V channles airing Bizimkiler, Süper Baba like series started to air Feodal life style series with guns, honor killings etc. The Musicians like Barış Manço, İdil Biret, Moğollar with some songs like Devlerin Aşkı, Dağlar Dağlar are replaced with Ibrahim Tatlıses like people with songs that make people inclined to suicide.

The T.V cahnnels entered into Turkish social life, and made the change to take place faster; We started to see such changes in T.Vs, and when people asked the reason that They watch such series, movies, musicians on the T.Vs, they said it was because of the Rating Sytem that measures the ratio of audiences between T.V channels.

But Some day it was understood that The AGB that measures the rating was actually changing the ratio numbers for years.

The raids, which targeted the offices of numerous production firms and the AGB Nielsen company, which measures ratings, were part of an investigation launched following a complaint from the state-owned broadcaster Turkish Radio and Television (TRT) for alleged tampering with television ratings. Computer hard-disks, five cell phones and large volumes of digital materials and documents were seized by the police during the raids, Anatolia news agency reported.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/wa...-world.aspx?pageID=517&nID=9218&NewsCatID=341

 

[xenon54 out]

Could it be possible that Kurds were simply underestimated in pre 1990 census ? thus giving higher figures when modern censuses were condocted ?

He doesnt mean Kurds but other minorities, the percentage of Kurds stood more or less the same according to data.
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No need to make panic, a lot people move to Turkey for various reason, be it Russian brides, Greeks who escaped economic crisis, European pensioners on Turkish riviera or Syrian refugees, we live in a globalized world.

 

[mpk1988]

Make assimilation into turkish culture a must. I'm not talking about religion, but the Turkish culture itself. That should be a must for all nationals of Turkey.

 

[Orez]

I would not accord too much importance to this anaylse.
First Kurdish birthright would be this hight in the futur.
Second many kurdish population consider themself like a Turk and are not PKK supporter.

But yeah the govt must act against HDP's politician which don't have a loyalty for their country, their must not be tolerated otherwise they will make a bad exemple for the next generation.

 

[bsruzm]

What bullsh*t that title is? No war left?

Besides, are we talking about our own people?

- On an official record in the meeting with BDP(now HDP ''politic party'') at Imralı prison, Abdullah Öcalan,The imprisoned leader of PKK terrorist organisation, said that'' In 2030 Kurdish population will be higher than Turkish population, at that time everything will naturally be solved'' ( The record has been aired in 2013 by Özcan Yeniçeri)

It's sounds like fear mongering, spreading distrust into society so no wonder these terrorists speak it then some bring that on table. The problem will be solved when we are done with these terrorists and never let any ground to occur for terrorism in our country again.

 

[Attila the Hun]

I did not expect that part to be put forward and brought on the table in that much soon, thank you.

With the change in demography in Turkey, We have started to see some culturel changes, especially starting in 1970s.

In Art We started to see some changes in culture that represents The Turkish life converted to ''Kurdish'' one; the movies with Şener Şen, Kemal Sunal,Münir Özkul actors etc. in Aile Şerefi, Bizim Aile,Hababam Sınıfı like movies are replaced with İbrahim Tatlıses, Hülya Avşar in Middle Eastern like movies. The T.V channles airing Bizimkiler, Süper Baba like series started to air Feodal life style series with guns, honor killings etc. The Musicians like Barış Manço, İdil Biret, Moğollar with some songs like Devlerin Aşkı, Dağlar Dağlar are replaced with Ibrahim Tatlıses like people with songs that make people inclined to suicide.

The T.V cahnnels entered into Turkish social life, and made the change to take place faster; We started to see such changes in T.Vs, and when people asked the reason that They watch such series, movies, musicians on the T.Vs, they said it was because of the Rating Sytem that measures the ratio of audiences between T.V channels.

But Some day it was understood that The AGB that measures the rating was actually changing the ratio numbers for years.



http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/wa...-world.aspx?pageID=517&nID=9218&NewsCatID=341

You hit the nail on the head.
We have to make aware our future generations about this, Someone please show the link about the rise in suicides among the Kurds in Anatolia, it is shocking.
I never liked Ibrahim Tatlises , even before i knew his links to terrorists lol

 

[Islamic faith&Secularism]

• Who put that poll?
• On what ground Does this thread go against the rules?
• If some members will decide what subjects can be opened and who can open them, then why is there rules on this forum?

Therefore, I do refuse to cast any vote untill those questions are answered!

 

[Deliorman]

Southeastern Turkey needs development and investments, lot's of 'em: infrastructural, economical, agricultural, educational. There is some places there that are with basically African-like GDP and HDI levels and also there are some huge disparities with other parts of the country (Western, Northwestern Turkey) where the standards are around the European average or sometimes even above it (this is also due to historical and cultural factors). When you have a lot of poor and illiterate people this almost all the time leads to social unrest and is a good soil for terror organization to brainwash people- just give them a promise of a better future, mix it with some nationalism/ tribalism, some ideology and that's it.

The thing is that these regions were not part of the economical boom in the country in the last decades mostly due to the fact that PKK is a big stop for any big investor who wants to create jobs there. Terror stops the government from fully providing better health care and education for people up there (you have heard about all those attacks against security members or kidnapings of doctors, teachers by the PKK etc). Those rats are a really good tool for all those who are interested not to see a strong, united and developing Turkey in every corner of the country. Let's not fool ourselves and blame only some foreign powers though as for decades this part of the country has been left to stay in the Third world level of development. HDP is not helping it to develop either.

This is my cold blooded and intelligent answer... I can also make an emotional one but I could get warned/banned.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

That's BULLSHIT. According to some Western researchers, my family is counted as Kurdish just because we're from Eastern Anatolia/Elazığ. Hundreds of thousands of Zazas are considered as Kurds despite the fact that we identify ourselves as Turks. Besides, within a decade the Kurdish birthrate declined by 50-55%.

Furthermore, all this counting is extremely racist. Western scholars usually don't take account of one serious and important issue in Turkey: assimilation.

One of my closest friends is a person of Kurdish origin from Bingöl and he's straightforward racist towards Kurds ('Genocide is a solution','We need concentration camps' etc.).

Kurdization is an artificial fear created by some right wing idiots to gain more votes. Since the Turkish Republic is founded probably millions of Kurds choosed the Turkish identity instead of remaining Kurdish. You guys simply don't 'see' them anymore and Westerners consider them as Kurdish because of the more genetic orientated perspective in Europe.

Identity is not static. Regardless of the current conflict the Turkish identity with its great Ottomanic past remains extremely attractive, even for Kurds.

Ziya Goklap, one of the founding fathers of the Turkish nationalism, was of the Kurdish origin....