Democracy is a failed experiment

[huzihaidao12]

Sure thing, gents...

Crovitz: Dictators and Internet Double Standards - WSJ.com

The Chinese government no longer published these protest figures. That is publish, not about keeping track of them. So today many suspects that Chinese citizenry dissatisfaction with their government, local or national, is even greater since 2008.

I do not deny that there are still cases of illegal land seizures, but the news that China has become increasingly open to the media reports, this is the fact that you think other developing democratic countries do not have this kind of thing happen? Need me to give you examples?

 

[huzihaidao12]

You can believe the Chinese propaganda here that the Chinese government changed its policies and everyone held hands and sang 'Kumbaya'. But if you believe that, then you should beg the question of if such changes are typical, then why are there so many to the range of tens of thousands...

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Right...Then what happened in Tiananmen Square was just a routine traffic accident between pedestrians and some expensive SUVs.

I said, China is a developing country, you look at India and the Philippines, do you think they have a better position than China?

Must say that, gamit, that what happened in TIANANMEN Square? Can you tell me the truth?

 

[huzihaidao12]

Is this meant to be sarcastic or something? I can't tell.
I've heard nothing about these 80,000 protests, which is not a good thing. I take it they were suppressed?
As for the UK, what the hell are you on about?

Given China's size and population, which is a normal number, which also shows that China is more open information, it is a healthy trend.

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Of course they were suppressed. And do not be deceived by the argument that these protests were over economic issues instead of political. Economics and politics are inextricably linked. You give someone economic freedoms, eventually he will demand political freedoms to live his economic life as he sees fit.

gamit, you think that India does not suppress, do you think the U.S. did not suppress? need me to give an example?

 

[huzihaidao12]

Speaking of being heavily indoctrinated...

China's biggest relocation project yet - GlobalPost - Salon.com

If these millions were to protest, would the government oblige? More like sending in tanks to run them over.

Accurate to say that it is playing tricks again the Western media, China is increasingly opening up to the protest, they can completely ignore the development, rendering it a humiliation? Even if the CCP initiative to adopt an open policy, it is a humiliation, not a kind of effort?

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Don't worry I am not deceived. Makes me glad I was born in the UK.

You can thank your ancestors robber.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Yeah...You make those insults HERE, an anonymous Internet forum.

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As if we can take that seriously...

Well, the Chinese call WEN as performing empero, or even that there is a very over-statement in HU, calling him a facial paralysis, it is an insult in the top leadership, but what happened? Chinese BBS freedom far more than you imagine.

 

[below_freezing]

I am sorry I don't know but is there a way you can throw CPC out.. What options do you have? This is where democracy is at advantage, you only give suckers to rule 5 years only and then can vote them out in case they don't perform..

On other point, any protest in China at this point will honestly serve the interests of others and stop your impressive growth. BTW, I don't understand why you hate capitalists in CPC so much.. I think they are doing fine job..

I hate capitalists because capitalists in the CPC and capitalists around the world are the same: they are all capitalists working for capitalist interests. Thus, a CPC capitalist has much more in common with a Wall Street Jewish banker, than with another Chinese, and therefore will sell out the interests of China as a whole.

There are indeed many mechanisms to remove the CPC. I don't think you know this but the first time Xi Jinping and Bo Xilai tried to run for the CPC Central Committee in 1992, they were voted down.

http://www.nbr.org/publications/asia_policy/Free/AP6/AP6_D_Li.pdf

Pg. 84-85.

Unfortunately, the capitalists in the CPC have maneuvered their 2 stooges into the Politburo where they can spy for the Wall Street bankers and eventually, when they gain real power, ship more of China's resources to the US.

True socialism in China will die next year and China will increase in political instability. Hopefully, in 2017 enough popular support is gained (approval rates get so low) that the capitalist faction will be voted out.

 

[below_freezing]

Also if you look on pg 90 it shows the political positions of China's leaders. We are moving towards a dark age of political authoritarianism, combined with capitalism, the very same combination we overthrew 60 years ago. In 1949 the people stood up, but in 1979, we started slowly kneeling back down, and putting our own chains back on...

 

[huzihaidao12]

Make a temporary conclusion, if you just want a name of democracy, then you can still get it if you want to have the same economic life, more real democratic rights, such as developed countries, the Western democracy has failed in almost all developing countries.

 

[below_freezing]

Make a temporary conclusion, if you just want a name of democracy, then you can still get it if you want to have the same economic life, more real democratic rights, such as developed countries, the Western democracy has failed in almost all developing countries.

because they have been hijakced by wall street capitalists and their allied dictators who transfer their money straight to wall street and swiss bank accounts.

 

[huzihaidao12]

The lack of violent protests in the US has been absurdly 'reasoned' that the US is a dictatorship of the worst kind. That argument is intellectually dishonest in the worst way.

The US and China are polar opposites. In the US, we have rights and freedoms that the Chinese can only dream about. So whatever rights and freedoms the Chinese have whenever they were granted, they would cling to what was gained just as hard as we would cling to our rights and freedoms that was granted in the US Constitution. The difference here is that the Chinese citizenry is used to experiencing violence at the hands of the state whenever they made even a peep about the scant rights and freedoms they have while we in the US do not expect such violence from the government. We do not need to protest in a violent manner. The Chinese citizenry do.

Well, gamit, nothing is free, and the Chinese people through their own efforts to reach today's position, the future will continue to move forward, sour \ sweet \ bitter \ hot all the taste we have taste, at the bottom line, we did not plunder other any country, but on our own hard work, we know that it is not perfect, but it is ours. you can easily leave Vietnam, a third world country, to enter the United States, first World countries, and then easily open your mouth to show off the achievements of the United States, I should congratulate you?

By the way, gamit, do you think a plane hit the building tax is violence?

 

[huzihaidao12]

because they have been hijakced by wall street capitalists and their allied dictators who transfer their money straight to wall street and swiss bank accounts.

Democracy suddenly does not work in this sort of thing, of course they can comfort themselves, this is the initial stage of democracy.

 

[888jamie888]

He was talking about the Dalian protests recently.

Here is an article from Foreign Policy magazine. (Which incidentally also echoes the 90,000 number for annual protests in China).

The New Epicenter of China's Discontent - Foreign Policy

The protestors in Dalian eventually won, and the officials promised to move the chemical factory somewhere else.

Okay fair enough, but is that one protest representative of the rest?

 

[888jamie888]

You can thank your ancestors robber.

Whatever. I'm fine with what they did, in my opinion they did far more good than bad.

 

[fd24]

Whatever. I'm fine with what they did, in my opinion they did far more good than bad.

They looted India. Did the same in most of the empire, unless of course the residents were white. Its good to see the mentality people like 888jamie888 have. It just reconfirms the mindset these people have

 

[Ahmad]

They looted India. Did the same in most of the empire, unless of course the residents were white. Its good to see the mentality people like 888jamie888 have. It just reconfirms the mindset these people have

The past colonial british empire might have taken the resouces of its colonies, i dont know how much it was as i dont have any figures, but to say taht today britain is rich because it stole others' wealth in the past is totally wrong, they started colonizing areound the world whille they were already one of the richest naation on earth. Dont forget that britain was/is the most advanced nation in the world with countless number of inventions, discoveries, innovations in every single field, this itself made sure that britain become rich, it is simple logic, if you have skills, and knowlege, then people need you and you get rich, this can be applied in our personal lives as well. Look at america, people say that they went to iraq for oil to plunder, i again dont want to comment on it as i dont know if they stole anything or not, but they were richest nation for very long time even before these wars.