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Democracy in China? It's in the eye of the beholder
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-dickson-democracy-in-china-20160812-snap-story.html

China watchers in the West have been fruitlessly searching for signs of democracy for more than 25 years. But there has not been a sustained democracy movement in China since the tragic end of protests in Tiananmen Square and elsewhere in 1989. Most outside observers agree that the People’s Republic remains what it has been since its founding in 1949: a one-party authoritarian regime.

Most Chinese citizens do not see it that way, however. In a nationwide survey in 2014, more than 4,000 urban Chinese were asked how democratic they perceived China to be at different points in time. The vast majority view the level of democracy as increasing steadily since the late 1970s. Almost 60% believe China is already somewhat or very democratic today. Remarkably, more than 80% are optimistic that in the near future China will enjoy a level of democracy on par with the United States.

How can this be? How can external assessments of China’s government and the perceptions of people living under it be so radically different?

The answer turns on the meaning of the word democracy.

Survey respondents were given the opportunity to define democracy in their own words. Most Americans would define it as a political system with free elections, competitive parties, rule of law and related institutions of liberal democracy. But less than 5% of Chinese pointed to those attributes.

About 15% defined democracy in terms of rights: for example, “people enjoy the right to information” and “the opportunity and right to tell the government their views.” Another 15% identified equality and justice among citizens: “Everyone is treated equally” and “to be more equal in terms of income, housing, and employment” were typical responses of this type.

In short, about one-third of urban Chinese defined democracy in terms of checks and balances or other ways that closely match Western notions.

By contrast, a different 30% of Chinese described democracy in terms of how leaders should run the government, not how they are chosen. Comments such as “the people and the government are interdependent” and “government policies reflect public opinion” get at this notion. More importantly, these comments suggest that the public’s interests and the state’s interests are fundamentally in harmony (or at least should be).

The purpose of democracy, as seen by many Chinese, is to make the state strong so that it can better provide for the common well-being of the people and the nation as a whole. It is not a way to hold leaders accountable through elections, limit the state’s authority in order to protect individual rights and freedoms, or adjudicate between competing interests.

Despite lacking political rights and freedoms that we take for granted here, many Chinese see their country as becoming more open.
But by far the most popular definition of democracy — given by a third of the urban Chinese respondents — was “I don’t know”!

These differing definitions of democracy correlated with how satisfied people felt. Almost 65% reported they were satisfied or very satisfied with the level of democracy China has. Those who defined it in terms of elections, parties and rule of law were the least satisfied — and rightfully so — whereas “by and for the people” and “don’t know” were at the high end of the scale. The most satisfied were those who defined democracy in terms of economic growth, but less than 3% did so.

These popular understandings (or misunderstandings) of what democracy is help explain why there has not been a sustained democratization movement in China. People who are optimistic about the future are less inclined to support calls to fundamentally change the regime.

The activists who promote Western-style liberal democratic reform face suppression from the state and indifference from much of society. Liu Xiaobo, for instance, was arrested in 2008 for his role in drafting Charter 08, a bold call for building liberal democracy in China. When he won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2010, many in China were unfamiliar with him. Others doubted he had achieved anything worthy of the prize.

Despite lacking political rights and freedoms that we take for granted here, many Chinese see their country as becoming more open. Even as the Communist Party continues to monitor and suppress any potential threats to its monopoly on power, most citizens still see the state is less intrusive than in the Maoist era or in the immediate post-Tiananmen years.

Still, it’s hard to be sure that trend will continue.

Since Xi Jinping became president in 2013, the scope of repression has increased. The party has tightened control over media content, arrested human rights lawyers and warned scholars against discussing topics such as universal values, civil rights, civil society, press freedoms and judicial independence. Xi’s ongoing anticorruption campaign has exposed the venal top echelons of the party, government and military, which may erode support for the regime. Growing economic inequality and social injustice may also lead people to be less satisfied with the status quo.

But for the moment, besides the party itself, the major obstacle to China’s democratization is the popular belief that the process is already underway.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-dickson-democracy-in-china-20160812-snap-story.html
 
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Reflection of typical Confucius ideology, it's not how a structure is formed, it's about how well it works. Western democracy was created in the west and reflects strong western culture, history and values which China and the west are worlds apart.
 
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If the kuomintang ruling China's development will be worse than now?
 
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Reflection of typical Confucius ideology, it's not how a structure is formed, it's about how well it works. Western democracy was created in the west and reflects strong western culture, history and values which China and the west are worlds apart.
You should understand that Communism is a western ideology too. But far from democracy. Democracy evolved from communism. It even adopt the values and roots from Communism.
 
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Fvck democracy! It's no guarantee for anything. On the contrary, it can ruin a country just like any other system would. For examples look no further than the sorry, good for nothing state a. k. a. India. The fact of matter is that there is no universal system that works for every country. We have to be pragmatic and make do with whatever that works for us.
 
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Fvck democracy! It's no guarantee for anything. On the contrary, it can ruin a country just like any other system would. For examples look no further than the sorry, good for nothing state a. k. a. India. The fact of matter is that there is no universal system that works for every country. We have to be pragmatic and make do with whatever that works for us.
India's problem is the ethnic and religious country consciousness is not strong.
 
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The purpose of democracy, as seen by many Chinese, is to make the state strong so that it can better provide for the common well-being of the people and the nation as a whole. It is not a way to hold leaders accountable through elections, limit the state’s authority in order to protect individual rights and freedoms, or adjudicate between competing interests.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/democracy-in-china-its-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder.468167/#ixzz4TYE5SKZj
In other words, democracy in China is to select, not elect, the best person who are the most efficient in exercising state power over the people.
 
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In other words, democracy in China is to select, not elect, the best person who are the most efficient in exercising state power over the people.
The Chinese have americans never really clear.
 
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You should understand that Communism is a western ideology too. But far from democracy. Democracy evolved from communism. It even adopt the values and roots from Communism.


If you read the article you will realise that the Chinese are mistaking democracy for freedom.

What they are seeking in the name of "democracy" are simple freedom we take for granted in a democracy. Basic Freedom that must exist before democracy can even be born.


I hope the chinese do not claim that "freedom" is a western concept too :P
 
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Beauty may lie in the eye of the beholder, but not political system that is clearly definable.
 
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You should understand that Communism is a western ideology too. But far from democracy. Democracy evolved from communism. It even adopt the values and roots from Communism.
That's why Chinese communism is as different as difference gets comparing to the Soviet Union. It's only in name of communism.it's actually meritocracy which has been around in China for thousand of years.

If you read the article you will realise that the Chinese are mistaking democracy for freedom.

What they are seeking in the name of "democracy" are simple freedom we take for granted in a democracy. Basic Freedom that must exist before democracy can even be born.


I hope the chinese do not claim that "freedom" is a western concept too :P
Indians mistake freedom for talking about speaking ,we Chinese think freedom being more than that. Freedom is you have more means and more time for yourself , your family and do things you like to do without worrying your livelihood, one can never feel free if their daily struggle is the next meal. In this case, a person without economic means can never be free ,cause they are bonded with the heaviest shackles known to the humanity. What China is doing is to target the very essence of human freedom so that people can be happy and content. In a sense , Africa and India are the places where people enjoy least freedom cause people are tied down by their very existence.
 
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You should understand that Communism is a western ideology too. But far from democracy. Democracy evolved from communism. It even adopt the values and roots from Communism.
Mao revolution was a peasant uprising that has roots in Chinese culture.

In other words, democracy in China is to select, not elect, the best person who are the most efficient in exercising state power over the people.
The development of China's High speed rail, space program, infrastructure, sports, military, economy, missile etc do not happen by accident. They have develop because they are run by hardworking smart people with vision and actions.

If you read the article you will realise that the Chinese are mistaking democracy for freedom.

What they are seeking in the name of "democracy" are simple freedom we take for granted in a democracy. Basic Freedom that must exist before democracy can even be born.


I hope the chinese do not claim that "freedom" is a western concept too :P
What India needs is more good governance. Not more democracy. - Lee Kuan Yew

Here's an ancient Chinese proverb.

Only when a person is properly fed and clothed, will he understand what is shame and what is honor.
 
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Mao revolution was a peasant uprising that has roots in Chinese culture.
Mao revolution a.k.a cultural revolution where the 5000 year old culture of China was destroyed and uprooted from China. Which resulted in death of millions of people. Such kind of revolution is not possible in India. India is deeply rooted in religion. And it is multi-ethnic, multi-lingual society. Which cannot be replaced by some other western ideology like communism or a totalitarian system.
The only way India can exist without breaking up is through democracy. No matter how flawed the idea of Democracy is.
 
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Mao revolution a.k.a cultural revolution where the 5000 year old culture of China was destroyed and uprooted from China. Which resulted in death of millions of people. Such kind of revolution is not possible in India. India is deeply rooted in religion. And it is multi-ethnic, multi-lingual society. Which cannot be replaced by some other western ideology like communism or a totalitarian system.
The only way India can exist without breaking up is through democracy. No matter how flawed the idea of Democracy is.
The spirit of Mao is very much alive.....in India.
 
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The spirit of Mao is very much alive.....in India.
The only places to find Maoism now on the whole planet are India and Nepal

And it is multi-ethnic, multi-lingual society. Which cannot be replaced by some other western ideology like communism or a totalitarian system.
The only way India can exist without breaking up is through democracy. No matter how flawed the idea of Democracy is.

Your writing is kind of contradictory, democracy is a western ideology and your constitution was kind of written by foreigners, language is the essence of a culture and you even lost part of that.
 
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