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Israelis and Saudis Reveal Secret Talks to Thwart Iran - Bloomberg View

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By: Eli Lake


Since the beginning of 2014, representatives from Israel and Saudi Arabia have had five secret meetings to discuss a common foe, Iran. On Thursday, the two countries came out of the closet by revealing this covert diplomacy at the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington.

Among those who follow the Middle East closely, it's been an open secret that Israel and Saudi Arabia have a common interest in thwarting Iran. But until Thursday, actual diplomacy between the two was never officially acknowledged. Saudi Arabia still doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist. Israel has yet to accept a Saudi-initiated peace offer to create a Palestinian state.

It was not a typical Washington think-tank event. No questions were taken from the audience. After an introduction, there was a speech in Arabic from Anwar Majed Eshki, a retired Saudi general and ex-adviser to Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the former Saudi ambassador to the U.S. Then Dore Gold, a former Israeli ambassador to the United Nations who is slotted to be the next director general of Israel's foreign ministry, gave a speech in English.

While these men represent countries that have been historic enemies, their message was identical: Iran is trying to take over the Middle East and it must be stopped.

Eshki was particularly alarming. He laid out a brief history of Iran since the 1979 revolution, highlighting the regime's acts of terrorism, hostage-taking and aggression. He ended his remarks with a seven-point plan for the Middle East. Atop the list was achieving peace between Israel and the Arabs. Second came regime-change in Iran. Also on the list were greater Arab unity, the establishment of an Arab regional military force, and a call for an independent Kurdistan to be made up of territory now belonging to Iraq, Turkey and Iran.

Gold's speech was slightly less grandiose. He, too, warned of Iran's regional ambitions. But he didn't call for toppling the Tehran government. "Our standing today on this stage does not mean we have resolved all the differences that our countries have shared over the years," he said of his outreach to Saudi Arabia. "But our hope is we will be able to address them fully in the years ahead."

It's no coincidence that the meetings between Gold, Eshki and a few other former officials from both sides took place in the shadow of the nuclear talks among Iran, the U.S. and other major powers. Saudi Arabia and Israel are arguably the two countries most threatened by Iran's nuclear program, but neither has a seat at the negotiations scheduled to wrap up at the end of the month.

The five bilateral meetings over the last 17 months occurred in India, Italy and the Czech Republic. One participant, Shimon Shapira, a retired Israeli general and an expert on the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah, told me: "We discovered we have the same problems and same challenges and some of the same answers." Shapira described the problem as Iran's activities in the region, and said both sides had discussed political and economic ways to blunt them, but wouldn't get into any further specifics.

Eshki told me that no real cooperation would be possible until Israel's prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, accepted what's known as the Arab Peace Initiative to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The plan was first shared with New York Times columnist Tom Friedman in 2002 by Saudi Arabia's late King Abdullah, then the kingdom's crown prince.

Israel's quiet relationships with Gulf Arab states goes back to the 1990s and the Oslo Peace Process. Back then, some Arab countries such as Qatar allowed Israel to open trade missions. Others allowed an Israeli intelligence presence, including Abu Dhabi, the capital of the United Arab Emirates.

These ties became more focused on Iran over the last decade, as shown by documents released by WikiLeaks in 2010. A March 19, 2009, cable quoted Israel's then-deputy director general of the foreign minister, Yacov Hadas, saying one reason for the warming of relations was that the Arabs felt Israel could advance their interests vis-a-vis Iran in Washington. "Gulf Arabs believe in Israel's role because of their perception of Israel's close relationship with the U.S. but also due to their sense that they can count on Israel against Iran," the cable said.

But only now has open cooperation between Saudi Arabia and Israel become a possibility. For Gold, it represents something of a sea change. In 2003, he published a book, "Hatred's Kingdom," about Saudi Arabia's role in financing terrorism and Islamic extremism. He explained Thursday that he wrote that book "at the height of the second intifada when Saudi Arabia was financing and fundraising for the murder of Israelis." Today, Gold said, it is Iran that is primarily working with those Palestinian groups that continue to embrace terrorism.

Gold went on to say that Iran is now outfitting groups such as Hezbollah in Lebanon with precision-guided missiles, as opposed to the unguided rockets Iran has traditionally provided its allies in Lebanon. He also said Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps forces propping up the Bashar al-Assad regime are now close to the Israeli-Syrian border.

A few years ago, it was mainly Israel that rang the alarm about Iranian expansionism in the Middle East. It is significant that now Israel is joined in this campaign by Saudi Arabia, a country that has wished for its destruction since 1948.

The two nations worry today that President Barack Obama's efforts to make peace with Iran will embolden that regime's aggression against them. It's unclear whether Obama will get his nuclear deal. But either way, it may end up that his greatest diplomatic accomplishment will be that his outreach to Iran helped create the conditions for a Saudi-Israeli alliance against it.
 
I see no mention of open cooperation here or anything related to diplomatic relations. It all mentions are 5 meetings, no source given for information of '5 meetings'. This is think tank event with individuals that have no positions in current governments of either states. And what author states is his opinion. He is trying to lump Arab states with Israel's agenda to give himself and other Jews a feeling that they can have best of both worlds(open relations with Arab world and no peace with Palestinians). Which simply isn't the reality.

King Abdullah's adminstration is gone, Abdullahs advisers have no meaning anymore and no influence.
 
I see no mention of open cooperation here or anything related to diplomatic relations. It all mentions are 5 meetings, no source given for information of '5 meetings'. This is think tank event with individuals that have no positions in current governments of either states. And what author states is his opinion. He is trying to lump Arab states with Israel's agenda to give himself and other Jews a feeling that they can have best of both worlds(open relations with Arab world and no peace with Palestinians). Which simply isn't the reality.

King Abdullah's adminstration is gone, Abdullahs advisers have no meaning anymore and no influence.

I guess you did not even read the article. A Saudi General and an Israeli ambassador and a future Israeli director general of foreign affairs are saying it in the open at a public event.

Maybe the news is too big for you to swallow. Anyways, as the article says, it is not a new thing. Has been going on for a long time.

Though it will be interesting to see the reaction of the many Takfiri supporters on this forum who equate Saudi Arabia with their own idealistic religion.
 
I guess you did not even read the article. A Saudi General and an Israeli ambassador and a future Israeli director general of foreign affairs are saying it in the open at a public event.

Maybe the news is too big for you to swallow. Anyways, as the article says, it is not a new thing. Has been going on for a long time.

Though it will be interesting to see the reaction of the many Takfiri supporters on this forum who equate Saudi Arabia with their own idealistic religion.

No,retired adviser to royal family member who was pardoned once Salman took throne. This has no meaning and nowhere does article mention anything you suggest. All I see is usual urges to create twostate solution as soon as possible. Not sure why it would be hard to 'swallow', some Arab nations have normal ties with Israel. Saudi Arabia doesn't, no one is saying they're at forefront of struggle against Israel but no one agrees with your demonization of them either.
 
No,retired adviser to royal family member who was pardoned once Salman took throne. This has no meaning and nowhere does article mention anything you suggest. All I see is usual urges to create twostate solution as soon as possible. Not sure why it would be hard to 'swallow', some Arab nations have normal ties with Israel. Saudi Arabia doesn't, no one is saying they're at forefront of struggle against Israel but no one agrees with your demonization of them either.

Whatever. Obviously, you are in a very hard position and can not say anything meaningful since truth would be self-negating for you.
 
Whatever. Obviously, you are in a very hard position and can not say anything meaningful since truth would be self-negating for you.

:what: :laugh:
 
2014 in the first paragraph is wrong, it should be changed to 1979, The year Islamic revolution in Iran succeded.

What Turks did to get this response from Israel? They have been good friends with both Israel and Saudi Arabia. What has happened lately?
Nothing has changed. It's been new ME plan which Americans were preparing a decade ago.
Some people are stupid enough to not see this or other treason acts from their authorities.
 
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