DECLARATION OF FAITH’ WHILE SEEKING GOVT, SEMI GOVT JOBS MANDATORY: IHC

[TMA]

you live in UK........
UK does not allow hate

Answer the question please. I am interested to hear your answer.

Asking someone to state their religion is not wrong but to discriminate against him in any which way is absolutely wrong and against basic human value of equality.

If Pakistan discriminates against it’s minorities after getting their information then it must be protested and condemned relentlessly within Pakistan and also from the international community.

Also the information thus gathered should not to open to general public and this data must also be leak proof, Pakistani establishment should proceed only after it can can guarantee this.

Electing a murderer as Prime minister is against basic human values....

 

[313ghazi]

you live in UK........
UK does not allow hate

The same anti hate laws are present in Pakistan. You vote for the people who don't implement me.

 

[Jf Thunder]

The same anti hate laws are present in Pakistan. You vote for the people who don't implement me.

look what happened in Faizabad, do you think anyone has the guts to implement the anti hate laws?

Answer the question please. I am interested to hear your answer.


Electing a murderer as Prime minister is against basic human values....

which question?

 

[313ghazi]

look what happened in Faizabad, do you think anyone has the guts to implement the anti hate laws?


which question?

You guys elect the lawmakers and the implementers.

 

[Jugger]

Electing a murderer as Prime minister is against basic human values....

Don’t try to derail the thread by diverting attention from Pakistan to Modi... if you have nothing to counter my post then better shut up.

 

[Silverblaze]

Quota system of any kind is nonsensical.

Now theres a possibility that ethnic parties might demand linguistic bases for getting jobs at all levels just like theres interior sindh quota in karachi that could be expanded.

As far as this decision is concerned, many rights wingers in western countries also demand a declaration of faith simply to target muslims. A scottish member of parliament took oath on the Quran and it was a field day for christian right wing and they demanded a sort of a dhimi status for muslims.

This law might be replicated in western countries as it has already started no hijabs and boycott or ban on halal items.

If anyone is good for the country, irrespective of ethnicity or religion, that someone must be allowed to serve the country.

I don't know what the hell are you talking about.
Minorities have reserved seats in govt vacancies, which means that they compete against both the merit and quota vacancies. That is a big favor which people like me give, who can't get a job despite scoring 80 marks while a non-Muslim gets the same job on minority quota by scoring 65 marks.

Qadianis have to declare their religion because they pose themselves as Muslims. And BTW, in the armed forces you have to mention not only your religion but also your sect(ISSB), that has not stopped any qadiani from becoming a general. @Desert Fox

Abolish this quota system at all levels then. Quotas for sindhis in karachi and baloch students in punjab colleges and in css. If this quota system is abolished would you still push for a religious declaration?

Mirzais are not the only minority there are others also why give them a special treatment by making them the only minority.

He is a hypocrite and you can find his none-sense spread all over the forum. Declaring the faith is one thing and discrimination is a different. We all know only one minority has problems with it i.e. Qadiyanis..created by British to masquerade as Muslims and distort Islam. The rest have no problem whether they are Sikhs, Christians or Hindus. A Hindu woman got elected as a senator, did anyone raise objection? no rather we all appreciated and welcomed it.

If this is a law for mirzais then make it clear why target the whole minority? If declaration of faith is important, sects should also be declared so as to identify the sects funding and sympathizing with TTP, Alqaeda, lal masjid clerics and Daesh and being guided by RAW. Would you agree to it?

If so, what would stop ethnic parties to demand declaration of ethnicity and language to demand greater quotas for their communities like they have in karachi for sindhis and for baloch in punjab?

Again, single out mirzais and ban them but dont make this law a generic one.

 

[war&peace]

Quota system of any kind is nonsensical.

Now theres a possibility that ethnic parties might demand linguistic bases for getting jobs at all levels just like theres interior sindh quota in karachi that could be expanded.

As far as this decision is concerned, many rights wingers in western countries also demand a declaration of faith simply to target muslims. A scottish member of parliament took oath on the Quran and it was a field day for christian right wing and they demanded a sort of a dhimi status for muslims.

This law might be replicated in western countries as it has already started no hijabs and boycott or ban on halal items.

If anyone is good for the country, irrespective of ethnicity or religion, that someone must be allowed to serve the country.



Abolish this quota system at all levels then. Quotas for sindhis in karachi and baloch students in punjab colleges and in css. If this quota system is abolished would you still push for a religious declaration?

Mirzais are not the only minority there are others also why give them a special treatment by making them the only minority.



If this is a law for mirzais then make it clear why target the whole minority? If declaration of faith is important, sects should also be declared so as to identify the sects funding and sympathizing with TTP, Alqaeda, lal masjid clerics and Daesh and being guided by RAW. Would you agree to it?

If so, what would stop ethnic parties to demand declaration of ethnicity and language to demand greater quotas for their communities like they have in karachi for sindhis and for baloch in punjab?

Again, single out mirzais and ban them but dont make this law a generic one.

You're confused. First get your own thoughts sorted out. Get some help from some grown in your family or neighbourhood then comment on the forum.

 

[Baghial]

‘DECLARATION OF FAITH’ WHILE SEEKING GOVT, SEMI GOVT JOBS MANDATORY: IHC

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ISLAMABAD: Islamabad High Court has announced its verdict in a sensitive case pertaining to Election Act 2017, specific to ‘Khatm-e-Naboowat clause , newsone reported.

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The Court has issued directives to take affidavits from the government employed, semi- government and people getting enrolled in Intelligence agencies to declare their faith.

Furthermore, the court observed that the amount of people hiding their faith in census, and while seeking their identity card is significantly “concerning”, adding that affidavits must be sought from ‘Non-Muslims’, Muslims Pakistanis seeking ID Cards, birth certificate.

IHC also directed the parliament to protect the ‘Khatm-e-Naboowat’ clause because it is a supreme and central part of Islamic faith, and hold intense sensitivity for the Muslims.

The court maintained that if someone is found guilty for deceiving about his/her faith he/she is liable to be prosecuted.

However, the court maintained that the constitution of Pakistan allows freedom of faith and practice.
https://www.newsone.tv/trending-stories/declaration-faith-seeking-govt-semi-govt-jobs-mandatory-ihc

Important stuff to take notice on according to IHC valentine day, morning shows, cartoons and faith of employees
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Dont mean a thing to these politicians . THE LAW SHOULD BE A CERTIFICATE OF. NAAIK MAAHN.AUR AIK BAAP

 

[TMA]

Don’t try to derail the thread by diverting attention from Pakistan to Modi... if you have nothing to counter my post then better shut up.

Point is this is Pakistans internal matter...that's all

 

[Luffy 500]

Commendable common sense and harmless verdict by the Pakistani high-court IMHO.

Why should not the institution know basic aspects of their employees identity considering the fact that age, sex, parents name, home address everything need to be provided to get national identification cards and stuff all over the world. Why the hue and cry over this issue when it comes to religion? The only reason I can think off, is that for liberals religion is irrelevant or worse something they abhor and is not something they want people and society to form their identity & values around.

Also, sensitive institution like Army, Intellegence units, foreign and internal affiars ministries does need to know where their employees come form. The citadel of "religious equality and tolerance" that these libturds blindly follow - do much more over the top background checks before hiring people in such institutions.

If you were a minority then I would ask you how it feels to be a minority. When you cant serve in civil service, cant go beyond major in army, despite all your efforts be called traitors for no reason

Simple question - what does this verdict has to do with any of that? Why the alarmist tone?

Btw the syrian muslims have seen the consequences of what happens when a minority religious group i.e the awalites got overwhelming state power. While the muslims treated the alawites with kindness and granted them more privileges, the alwites returned the favor by slaughtering 2 million muslims dead and counting in 7 years in what is a historical muslim majority land. Just saying.

Yellow badges will coming soon. Also when done with ahmadis they will move to their new target!!

Have they come yet? PAK is 70 years old btw? Have they moved onto new targets? Man how many qadiyanis do they have that its taking so long for these pesky Pakistanis to move on to a new target. May be they should emulate the Indians in how to target & move on from one minority to another.

Would you hate them? If not, why do you think you can make the same assumption about everyone else? You seem to have some sort of false superiority complex.

You noticed well and nailed that ignoramus to the ground.

Oh please, this has nothing to do with not giving jobs. Don't draw conclusions out of thin air.

Do you know that there is a minority quota in government jobs.
Which means they get job on that quota despite failing to come in merit.

SO PAK have that quota thing too eh . SO does BD and all other muslim countries that comes to mind. In BD hindus have high social status and have huge presence in civil service, police, laywes doctors etc while chakmas and other non-muslim tribes have moved up the social ladder over the last 20 years which is a good thing IMHO. Destitute social groups based on ethnicity, religion or economic status should have quota benefit if it helps solve their problems IMO. I am not against it as I believe minorities should be treated well, their lives, property and family protected from harm because it is demanded by sharia and acted upon by our righteous predecessors .........oh the fundamentalist in me said the s word again we evil muslims always advocating for sharia.

 

[war&peace]

Commendable common sense and harmless verdict by the Pakistani high-court IMHO.

Why should not the institution know basic aspects of their employees identity considering the fact that age, sex, parents name, home address everything need to be provided to get national identification cards and stuff all over the world. Why the hue and cry over this issue when it comes to religion? The only reason I can think off, is that for liberals religion is irrelevant or worse something they abhor and is not something they want people and society to form their identity & values around.

Also, sensitive institution like Army, Intellegence units, foreign and internal affiars ministries does need to know where their employees come form. The citadel of "religious equality and tolerance" that these libturds blindly follow - do much more over the top background checks before hiring people in such institutions.

We call them libturds for a reason....they exit the bowls of the society with nothing of substance left in them and vitiate the atmosphere through their stinky presence. It is an excellent decision and we totally welcome it. Let them jump up and down in anger, no need to convince them because first they are dumb, deaf, blind and their hearts have been sealed so they won't learn and secondly they are insignificant in numbers and courage so they can't do anything other than crying on social media.

However, the govt needs to implement anti-hate laws as well. No one should be denied a job based on his / her religious affiliation. No discrimination is made based on ethnicity, skin color, religion etc but identities/affiliations should be declared. A qadiyani should be able to walk the streets without any fear and I personally think mostly they do except a few rare incidents once or twice in a decade but that can happen anywhere in the world.

 

[TMA]

look what happened in Faizabad, do you think anyone has the guts to implement the anti hate laws?


which question?

"Would you hate them? If not, why do you think you can make the same assumption about everyone else?"

 

[war&peace]

"Would you hate them? If not, why do you think you can make the same assumption about everyone else?"

If I have to rent my home, I won't ask for the religion but I will ask my tenant to keep it in the condition I hand over the keys to him/her...Whether he or she is Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Qadiyani as long as he or she pays the rent on time and returns my home in reasonably good condition, I got no problem.
If I employ someone, I would like to know his/her religion..because in my company we provide holidays as per their sacred days (Eids for Muslims, Xmas/Easter for the Christians)

 

[Jf Thunder]

You guys elect the lawmakers and the implementers.

we have a limited amount of people to elect from
and they are all the same

"Would you hate them? If not, why do you think you can make the same assumption about everyone else?"

I do not hate them
and it is not an assumption, I have witnessed it

 

[war&peace]

I do not hate them
and it is not an assumption, I have witnessed it

Hey it works both ways...

Asalamu Alaikum

Non Muslims shouldn't get preference over Muslims when it comes to jobs.

Wa Alykum Salam,
No one should get a preference based on religion except if it is a religious job.
Jobs should be given strictly on the merit basis. A person with higher education, better education with relevant experience ..