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Debunking the INS Arihant "Damage" Claim. Did the Indian Navy really damaged a billion dollar submarine due to unprofessionalism?

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This whole ruckus started after The Hindu (a major Indian news publication) reported "INS Arihant was left crippled after an 'accident' 10 months ago"

The claims in this report are so absurd and filled with technical inconsistencies that anyone with even a basic understanding of submarine design and operational procedures would laugh at them, But then again, who needs that when you can just bang your head at the keyboard and call it a news report.



First the report stated that "Arihant ’s propulsion compartment was damaged after water rushed in as a hatch on the rear side was left open by mistake while it was at harbour."

The Arihant has no hatches in the propulsion section as it is based on a Russian double hull design with a sealed nuclear reactor section (inspired by the Akula class submarines). The reactor is completely isolated and inaccesible in any way to prevent any potential nuclear contamination.
Although the Arihant's reactor is not designed to operate for the submarine's lifetime, refueling will require cutting open the hull and welding it back together.

From Arihant’s design is based on the Russian Akula-1 class submarine. It weighs 6,000t. At a length of 110m and breadth of 11m, Arihant is the longest in the Indian Navy’s fleet of submarines and can accommodate a crew of 95. It can reach speeds of 12kt-15kt on the surface and up to 24kt when submerged.

From Akula submarine design - The submarine has a double-hulled configuration with a distinctive high aft fin. The hull has seven compartments and the stand-off distance between the outer and inner hulls is considerable, reducing possible inner hull damage.

Additionally, there are no external hatches in the compartment that houses the steam turbine, gearbox, generator, and propeller shaft either. Under normal circumstances, it is not possible for sea water to enter the submarine, and certainly not via a ‘non-existent hatch’.
Considering the sophistication and so many advanced sensors present on a modern submarine, it cannot be possible for a submarine to not be equipped with an open hatch warning system.




Ministry of defence has always tried to keep things even remotely related to India's Strategic forces command (SFC) under the wraps due to national security concerns. For example, the ministry refused to divulge any details about the number of nuclear warheads or what nuclear delivery platforms India has, citing security concerns. so ministry's refusal to give any detail regarding such an important asset of the SFC should not come as a surprise.



Next report stated "Since the accident, the submarine, built under the Advanced Technology Vessel project (ATV), has been undergoing repairs and clean up, the sources said."

While its true that INS Arihant underwent some repairs at SBC Visakhapatnam they were minor in nature and were part of routine maintenance and checkups. This fact becomes evident from satellite imagery which shows that the enclosed pier was visible for only a month which is long enough for routine checkups and minor repairs but not for major repairs needed for fixing the damages caused in the alleged accident.



At last the report alleged that "The absence of Arihant from operations came to the political leadership’s attention during the India-China military standoff at Doklam."

This particular allegation is highly unlikely as INS Arihant is operated by the Strategic Forces Command (SFC) of the Nuclear Command Authority (NCA) which comprises of figures like the Prime Minister of India, Chief of Army Staff, National Security Adviser and R&AW Secretary.

It is improbable that such a significant and powerful body did not know about the status of such an important strategic asset for 10 months given that sea-based nuclear deterrence requires a mated warhead and a vehicle carrying such warheads will be under constant C4ISR from the SFC and a failure to do so would mean an across-the-board failure of intelligence and the checks and balances in place which is highly unlikely.

Not to mention that the civilian leadership asking for India's nuclear assets to be deployed during the Doklam crisis itself is highly unlikely as the Doklam crisis was not high up enough on the escalation ladder to warrant such an extreme measure as both countries have a no first use policy regarding their nuclear weapons.
In addition, India at the time only operated K-15 SLBMs with a maximum range of 1500km, which was not enough for a credible sea-based deterrence against China.



Therefore, it is evident that the INS Arihant did not suffer any stupid accident like leaving a hatch open and this report is just a worthless piece of propaganda intended against India and its armed forces.
 
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Although good effort to post technical analysis. But this news is so old and so many mems already done. Don't see the point.
There was an accident, as no 1 in ministry denied it. How serious was the damage can be different. But not seeing the hatch open warning can happen. Humans can do amazing mistakes. Just read about any major accident in airlines, and they do very very minute inspections.
 
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Although good effort to post technical analysis. But this news is so old and so many mems already done. Don't see the point.
There was an accident, as no 1 in ministry denied it. How serious was the damage can be different. But not seeing the hatch open warning can happen. Humans can do amazing mistakes. Just read about any major accident in airlines, and they do very very minute inspections.
I was just reading about INS Arihant the other week when I found out about this absurd claim and decided to investigate it, I did it for my own peace of mind and not for countering memes.

No one in the ministry accepted about the accident either, everyone just kept their mouth shut and denied to talk anything even remotely related a strategic asset like arihant (you would be lucky to find even 10 photos of arihant, which just goes on to show how secretive the topic of indian SSBN's is)
It's true that INS arihant was at SBC visakhapatnam's pier, but it was there for less than a month which is not enough to repair damages caused by the alleged accident, what's more likely is INS arihant went under routine checkups and repairs there which was blown out of proportion by the media.

Hatches are a very important system, not remembering to close the hatch of INS Arihant is like forgetting to close the doors of an aeroplane, which is just not possible no matter how foolish the operator is.
 
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This whole ruckus started after The Hindu (a major Indian news publication) reported "INS Arihant was left crippled after an 'accident' 10 months ago"

The claims in this report are so absurd and filled with technical inconsistencies that anyone with even a basic understanding of submarine design and operational procedures would laugh at them, But then again, who needs that when you can just bang your head at the keyboard and call it a news report.





The Arihant has no hatches in the propulsion section as it is based on a Russian double hull design with a sealed nuclear reactor section (inspired by the Akula class submarines). The reactor is completely isolated and inaccesible in any way to prevent any potential nuclear contamination.
Although the Arihant's reactor is not designed to operate for the submarine's lifetime, refueling will require cutting open the hull and welding it back together.



Additionally, there are no external hatches in the compartment that houses the steam turbine, gearbox, generator, and propeller shaft either. Under normal circumstances, it is not possible for sea water to enter the submarine, and certainly not via a ‘non-existent hatch’.
Considering the sophistication and so many advanced sensors present on a modern submarine, it cannot be possible for a submarine to not be equipped with an open hatch warning system.





Ministry of defence has always tried to keep things even remotely related to India's Strategic forces command (SFC) under the wraps due to national security For example, the ministry refused to divulge any details about the number of nuclear warheads or what nuclear delivery platforms India has, citing security concerns. so ministry's refusal to give any detail regarding such an important asset of the SFC should not come as a surprise.





While its true that INS Arihant underwent some repairs they were minor in nature and were part of routine maintenance and checkups. This fact becomes evident from satellite imagery which shows that the enclosed pier was visible for only a month which is long enough for routine checkups and minor repairs but not for major repairs needed for fixing the damages caused in the alleged accident.





This particular allegation is highly unlikely as INS Arihant is operated by the Strategic Forces Command (SFC) of the Nuclear Command Authority (NCA) which comprises of figures like the Prime Minister of India, Chief of Army Staff, National Security Adviser and R&AW Secretary.

It is improbable that such a significant and powerful body did not know about the status of such an important strategic asset for 10 months given that sea-based nuclear deterrence requires a mated warhead and a vehicle carrying such warheads will be under constant C4ISR from the SFC and a failure to do so would mean an across-the-board failure of intelligence and the checks and balances in place which is highly unlikely.

Not to mention that the civilian leadership asking for India's nuclear assets to be deployed during the Doklam crisis itself is highly unlikely as the Doklam crisis was not high up enough on the escalation ladder to warrant such an extreme measure as both countries have a no first use policy regarding their nuclear weapons.
In addition, India at the time only operated K-15 SLBMs with a maximum range of 1500km, which was not enough for a credible sea-based deterrence against China.



Therefore, it is evident that the INS Arihant did not suffer any stupid accident like leaving a hatch open and this report is just a worthless piece of propaganda intended against India and its armed forces.
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Which Indian skool you came from?



WHILE IGNORING ALL THEIR ENGINEERS AND TECHNICIANS AND WORKFORCE FROM THIS KIND OF SKOOLS ALL OVER INDIA

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WHILE IGNORING ALL THEIR ENGINEERS AND TECHNICIANS AND WORKFORCE FROM THIS KIND OF SKOOLS ALL OVER INDIA

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Please Do not comment on this thread if you don't have anything productive to add, If you want to ask questions or engage in genuine debate be my guest but if you just want to mindlessly troll then please take your sorry A$$ and Leave.

FYI: You have been reported to the site administrators for unnecessary trolling
#uck off, this is not your neighborhood that you can give orders to others. Members can write anything they want . If you don’t like it take your sorry A$$ somewhere else, Indian.
 
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his whole ruckus started after The Hindu (a major Indian news publication) reported "INS Arihant was left crippled after an 'accident' 10 months ago"

The claims in this report are so absurd and filled with technical inconsistencies that anyone with even a basic understanding of submarine design and operational procedures would laugh at them, But then again, who needs that when you can just bang your head at the keyboard and call it a news report.
That's why when it comes to security and defense related matters, always take any reports from Indian Media with a truck load of Salt.
 
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There is a far greater chance of a hatch being left open and damaging a submarine than a warship just toppling onto its side.

Indian frigate Betwa showed us how likely the Arihant incident was -- very likely and happened just like Betwa happened!

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Note : To Whomsoever It may concern, Do not comment on this thread if you don't have anything productive to add, If you want to ask questions or engage in genuine debate be my guest but if you just want to mindlessly troll then please take your sorry A$$ and Leave.

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This whole ruckus started after The Hindu (a major Indian news publication) reported "INS Arihant was left crippled after an 'accident' 10 months ago"

The claims in this report are so absurd and filled with technical inconsistencies that anyone with even a basic understanding of submarine design and operational procedures would laugh at them, But then again, who needs that when you can just bang your head at the keyboard and call it a news report.





The Arihant has no hatches in the propulsion section as it is based on a Russian double hull design with a sealed nuclear reactor section (inspired by the Akula class submarines). The reactor is completely isolated and inaccesible in any way to prevent any potential nuclear contamination.
Although the Arihant's reactor is not designed to operate for the submarine's lifetime, refueling will require cutting open the hull and welding it back together.



Additionally, there are no external hatches in the compartment that houses the steam turbine, gearbox, generator, and propeller shaft either. Under normal circumstances, it is not possible for sea water to enter the submarine, and certainly not via a ‘non-existent hatch’.
Considering the sophistication and so many advanced sensors present on a modern submarine, it cannot be possible for a submarine to not be equipped with an open hatch warning system.





Ministry of defence has always tried to keep things even remotely related to India's Strategic forces command (SFC) under the wraps due to national security For example, the ministry refused to divulge any details about the number of nuclear warheads or what nuclear delivery platforms India has, citing security concerns. so ministry's refusal to give any detail regarding such an important asset of the SFC should not come as a surprise.





While its true that INS Arihant underwent some repairs they were minor in nature and were part of routine maintenance and checkups. This fact becomes evident from satellite imagery which shows that the enclosed pier was visible for only a month which is long enough for routine checkups and minor repairs but not for major repairs needed for fixing the damages caused in the alleged accident.





This particular allegation is highly unlikely as INS Arihant is operated by the Strategic Forces Command (SFC) of the Nuclear Command Authority (NCA) which comprises of figures like the Prime Minister of India, Chief of Army Staff, National Security Adviser and R&AW Secretary.

It is improbable that such a significant and powerful body did not know about the status of such an important strategic asset for 10 months given that sea-based nuclear deterrence requires a mated warhead and a vehicle carrying such warheads will be under constant C4ISR from the SFC and a failure to do so would mean an across-the-board failure of intelligence and the checks and balances in place which is highly unlikely.

Not to mention that the civilian leadership asking for India's nuclear assets to be deployed during the Doklam crisis itself is highly unlikely as the Doklam crisis was not high up enough on the escalation ladder to warrant such an extreme measure as both countries have a no first use policy regarding their nuclear weapons.
In addition, India at the time only operated K-15 SLBMs with a maximum range of 1500km, which was not enough for a credible sea-based deterrence against China.



Therefore, it is evident that the INS Arihant did not suffer any stupid accident like leaving a hatch open and this report is just a worthless piece of propaganda intended against India and its armed forces.
Hi,

S0---what really happened---?
 
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#uck off, this is not your neighborhood that you can give orders to others. Members can write anything they want . If you don’t like it take your sorry A$$ somewhere else, Indian.
Is this how you reply to a request for a civilized debate.
WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED.​
If my comments irk you so much, maybe it's time the forum should officially declare that the main purpose of the forum is no longer civilized debate on defense matters but trolling based on nationalities.

As for me going somewhere else, I just come to this forum to hear opposite opinions and to make sure that I am not stuck in any sort of echo chamber.
If my presence hurts your tiny ego so much maybe it's time you ban me and add a rule to the forum that indians are no longer allowed on this forum and the forum is exclusively for Pakistanis.
 
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There is a far greater chance of a hatch being left open and damaging a submarine than a warship just toppling onto its side.

Indian frigate Betwa showed us how likely the Arihant incident was -- very likely and happened just like Betwa happened!

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No There is not a far greater chance of a hatch being left open and damaging a submarine because there are no f*cking hatches at that part of the submarine.

As for INS Betwa, I won't be commenting on that because right now I don't know enough about the incident
 
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Hi,

S0---what really happened---?
Nothing actually, it was just for a routine maintenance at the pier which was blown out of proportion by sensationalist journalists for a hitjob on Indian navy and SFC. (which happens quite regularly on indigenous platforms, latest being the ALH crash)

possibly funded by Chandigarh lobby or China after the Doklam Crisis (I Know I am going into conspiracy theory, but it's not really an impossible situation)
 
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