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Debunking Indian Claims of “Surgical Strike” in Pakistan.

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Ok, let analyze the things we know, without being overly patriotic. That goes for both sides.

First the relevant part of Indian DGMO's Statement:

"...Now based on very specific and credible information which we received on Wednesday, that some terrorist teams had positioned themselves at launch pads along the LoC with an aim to carry out infiltration and terrorist strikes in Jammu and Kashmir and various other metros in our country, the Indian army conducted surgical strikes last night at these launch pads...."

Second the official stance of ISPR:

"No PR334/2016-ISPR
Dated: September 29, 2016
Rawalpindi - September 29, 2016:

There has been no surgical strike by India, instead there had been cross LOC fire initiated and conducted by India which is existential phenomenon. As per rules of engagement same was strongly and befittingly responded by Pakistani troops."

Lets Stop & Analyze the official stance

Now these are the only official statements. Anything more is from media and from their sources, which may be accurate or inaccurate.

- No where in Indian DGMO's statement is it mentioned that Indian forces crossed over into Pakistani side of LOC.
- Even location of launch pads is mentioned as "along the LoC" and not as "across the LoC on Pakistani-side".

Comments: Now generally these statements are crafted carefully and provide only right amount of information, not revealing anything less or anything more. One would agree that had the intention been to clearly state that action was carried inside Pakistani side of Kashmir, few changes in the above statement and it would have been crystal clear.

Now was this vagueness intentional or mistake, remains to be seen.

Unless there is more information made public we can not settle this issue.

Indian Members claim that Pakistan denies everything including Abbottabad Operation:

Not true.

Modern states carry out propaganda and at time hide information from citizens is true, but then India does that, US does that & hence Pakistan is no exception.

Coming back to specific events mentioned by Indian Members.

Abbottabad Operation: There was a Judicial Commission formed by govt. to investigate this incident. There was joint parliamentary in-camera session about this in which military briefed the parliament. Report of judicial commision.

So how can you claim that Pakistan officially denies any such happening?

There are always bound to be conspiracies and fan-boy stuff but that does not change official stance.

Analysis based on media reports in my next post.
 
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Soon India army will launch some drama story for public consumption. In the dark they might done operation in their own territory, that s why they could see any resistance ....
 
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thats bullshit talk ok .now show proof of your so called surgical strikes ...
For your kind info if you want something from ispr so have some hands on social media ....
i have seen tweets, nothing about 8 indians killed...or sort......just retaliation on indian posts thats it....
look i dont want to demean you, but 8 soldiers killed is a huge casualty rate, if true media will surly get to know about this....
 
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i have seen tweets, nothing about 8 indians killed...or sort......just retaliation on indian posts thats it....
look i dont want to demean you, but 8 soldiers killed is a huge casualty rate, if true media will surly get to know about this....
14 casualities from indian sides ....7 at one sector and 8 at at other
 
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i have seen tweets, nothing about 8 indians killed...or sort......just retaliation on indian posts thats it....
look i dont want to demean you, but 8 soldiers killed is a huge casualty rate, if true media will surly get to know about this....

And multiple 4 hour long strikes into another's territory with dozens killed won't?.......right............
 
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So the indian casualties are almost as high as URI ( which was most likely a false flag). One wonders with reports recently coming out about IA troops being ill fed and equipped, Are they just cannon fodder for their politicians and high command. :smokin:
 
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Same questions asked by entire world now this time .. Indian Defence Expert (Executive director) of Strategic Research & Analysis Organization (New Delhi, India)

According to him "Statement read out by the Indian Army DGMO is very vague about what the actual ops was, how was it carried out, and where was it carried out"

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"The Indian Express"

There was no violation of Pakistan’s air space as troops were dropped off in a chopper on the Indian side of the LoC. It then went on to list down the terror groups targeted in the operation.

1, Stealth helicopter has been used so that it was not detected on the Pakistani Radars (Since when India has got Stealth Heli) ?
2, If troops dropped off inside Indian territory of the LOC so how these troops crossed the "Heavily mined and fenced" border ?
3, Where was Pakistan Border Security when Indian forces carryout op for 4 hours (so called heavy gun-fight with terrorists) ?

- No Answer

"Times of India"

No official figures of the troops involved in the operation or where and how many terrorists were neutralised have been made public so far.

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Again no answer how they crossed LOC! That is what entire world even their own media is asking to the Indian Govt and Army but again they come up with the answer we did this and we did that but NO EVIDENCE lol.... so indirectly supporting Pakistan DG Operations remarks "total fabricated drama just to happy Indian public sentiment by BJP" they don't have anything to offer for the next election nor Indian Army and Govt do anything against Pakistan.
Valid questions to which the IA has no answers.
 
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thats bullshit talk ok .now show proof of your so called surgical strikes ...
For your kind info if you want something from ispr so have some hands on social media ....
You want proof... yes indeed surgical strikes were carried out.., by Sunny Deol and as far as proofs are concerned please watch that movie called Border. This pic of his was taken just before the launch pads were blown off by some super natural rays from his eyes. Rumour has it they are briefing Rajnikanth for the next mission. Pakistan should really beware of the supawww powaaaaaaa.:cheesy:
Sunny-Deol-in-Gadar-Ek-Prem-Katha-Sardar.jpg
 
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#SurgicalStrikes: 6 Questions
SEEMA MUSTAFA


#SurgicalStrikes: 6 Questions

SEEMA MUSTAFA
Friday, September 30,2016

NEW DELHI: 24 hours after the Indian Army carried out the surgical strikes taking out seven terror launch pads in Pakistan, both New Delhi and Islamabad seem to be engaged in a new war of words centering around “I am right, believe me” rhetoric for their domestic constituencies.

The world community is following the fracas, rather silently, with just a caution that both the countries must not escalate tensions. The global media has reported the strikes with a big dose of scepticism, giving the ‘Indian version’ versus the ‘Pakistan version’ that claims that the Indian Army did not cross the Line of Control, that two Pakistani soldiers were killed in cross border fire, that one Indian soldier had been captured and several others killed or injured.

That an Indian soldier has been captured by the Pakistani Army has now been confirmed by New Delhi as well, although predictably the versions of how this happened differ. But the soldier is in Pakistan captivity.

It is clear that New Delhi will be called upon to give more details soon. And perhaps release the photographic evidence the Army said it has about the strikes. Questions are already being raised about the paucity of details in the international media and Pakistan is likely to step up the demand for ‘proof’. Of course, it goes without saying that both India and Pakistan will contest the details of the strikes for their own domestic reasons, with the government in New Delhi looking for well earned applause before the crucial elections in Uttar Pradesh and Punjab; and Pakistan waiting for home domestic response to crystallise before taking the next step.

The uncertainty of the current situation lies in this ‘next step’ with top level meetings being held in Islamabad to determine whether to escalate the situation or let it go. Given the fact that the Pakistan Army, like the right wing here, believes in a well oiled moustache too it is unlikely that Pakistan Army Chief General Raheel Sharif will let this incident past without reprisal, more so as he is due to retire in six weeks and will prefer a swan song to a limp last record. Peace is not the constituency of either.

Details about the strikes are still missing, and New Delhi will need to answer the questions that are already finding their way into the public domain, reglardless of the jingoistic hysteria created by sections of the media and the political establishment.

1. What was the rough composition of the strike teams and what sectors of Pakistan territory did they hit? There is confusion about the first, and no details about the second part of this question till now.

2. Were the ground troops who carried out the operation supported by helicopters. There has been a categorical ‘yes’ followed by an equally firm ‘no’ in separate background briefings on the strikes.

3. Many reports seem to be suggesting that such strikes are carried out regularly by the military on both sides, and are kept as part of the not publicised ‘covert’ operations. And these were part of the same except for the fact that a political decision was made to bring the army action into the ‘overt operations’ space. What are the elements that make these surgical strikes different from past military action?

4. Each strike team, defence experts estimate, could comprise 7 to 15 soldiers. That means that a minimum of at least 50-60 would have entered Pakistan territory for the seven targets. Pakistan has been on high alert since the Uri terror attack. Commercial flights over the sensitive region had been stopped. Where then was the Pakistan Army in what is the most heavily guarded terrain, or rather Line of Control, in the world?

5. Terror launch pads are not constructed structures. These are last point positions really from where a group of militants are sent into India at regular periods in time. The militants are not housed here, just assembled to be pushed across. In the 1990s and earlier, as many as 20-25 militants would be brought by the Pakistan Army to a predetermined location, described as a launch pad, from where they would be taken across the LoC by ‘guides’. Lately the numbers have dwindled, and informed sources said that 4-5 persons now assemble at locations just before they are taken across by the guides. These locations change all the time, and hence there is no real location map for launch pads, a different location being determined by the Pakistan Army from time to time. It would thus be a valuable fill-in-the-blank if some details about the launch pads are provided by the Indian Army. How were these located?

6. The Army has spoken of inflicting massive casualties. And while officially no figures have been given, sources have let it be known that the numbers could be in the range of 38 or so. According to retired Generals familiar with operations, the strikes are to take out the target and not count the bodies. And that such strikes take minutes, not hours. How many Pakistanis were killed in the operation?

http://www.thecitizen.in/index.php/NewsDetail/index/1/8850/SurgicalStrikes-6-Questions

@Horus @Oscar @Jango @Abu Zolfiqar @waz @Arsalan
 
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That is how
No one roams around like that while mortar fires go on..
That's from a fake collection..Enjoy..
And also it is a prove that Pakistanis do unprovoked firing first..

Lol again without proofs
Please come up with those so called 25 countries briefing proof .
We showed much pics,videos,post to butt hurt you now your turn show proof or better quit ...
You are too desperate to make up stories of fake killings & capturing & we are butt hutrt!!Lol
 
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You want proof... yes indeed surgical strikes were carried out.., by Sunny Deol and as far as proofs are concerned please watch that movie called Border. This pic of his was taken just before the launch pads were blown off by some super natural rays from his eyes. Rumour has it they are briefing Rajnikanth for the next mission. Pakistan should really beware of the supawww powaaaaaaa.:cheesy:
Sunny-Deol-in-Gadar-Ek-Prem-Katha-Sardar.jpg

Hate indian movies ........

No one roams around like that while mortar fires go on..
That's from a fake collection..Enjoy..
And also it is a prove that Pakistanis do unprovoked firing first..


You are too desperate to make up stories of fake killings & capturing & we are butt hutrt!!Lol
Rauf kalasra the columnist ...come up with official proof .not with media political show talking ...
 
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India is collecting international shame for sure. You cannot answer basic questions asked by Indians and you are running to brief international audience. Its your call, you'll be humiliated internationally and internationally.

Thus far, there is 0 footage, 0 video evidence, 0 ground evidence, 0 explanation of legitimate questions asked by Pakistan and Indians who want evidence. None, Nothing - Nada? 7 Terrorists camps are blown and still there is 0 fire and 0 attack-back on Indians when they were conducting operation?

Just a suggestion, don't think about these question as you will end up hating your country a bit more.
What's your evidence?Article of Dawn or video editing tutorial on Geo?
You people can see lying Indian dead bodies but can't even able to take a snap of it..
Also make make fake propaganda of capturing Indian soldier..Take a break..
Also Osama was also a lie,Pakistan won in 1971..
 
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