Dear Karachiites! This guy told all history of Quota System. Guess what who he is?

[The Accountant]

First of, you know nothing about Jamat e Islami. They are one of the most organised political parties of Pakistan. They have agenda, but again, you might not like it.
Secondly, mustafa kamal carried out the work of Naimatullah Khan.
Thirdly, in Pakistan, govt is not given based on votes, rather how well a party matches the delusions of establishment.
So if jamat doesn't wins in elections, it doesn't mean that it is incompetent.

How can u make a judgement that i dont k ow anything about jamaat? Do u even know anything about me ? How can u be judgemental ?

Second thing it is myth that mustafa kamal carry on the work of nymatullah. There r 100s of plans of karachi some of the examples are circular railway signal free double shara.e.faisal

Metro train and xyz. Does this matter or make any differences in making plans ? The real challenge is execution and that was done only by mustafa kamal so give the credit where its due. On personal level i have more respect for naimatullah then mustafa kamal but i cannot take credit of mustafa works on my personal feelings.

Thirdly again u being too judgemental never try to understand what i m trying to say. I am not talking about votes. Moulana fazl ur rehman gets even more seats and votes then jamaat but does it means they r more closed to establishment or are they more competent? I dont want to know how much organized jamaat.e.islami. i want to what is their economic policy statement or vision? What is foreign policy statement and viaion and what is their interrior policy statement vsision? They have none except for popular statements like ghurbat mitao ... nokriyan doo ... islami nizam laoo .. sood ko khtam kero .. israel ko nahi mantay ...

I agree with all these statement but actual question is how to do these things and there is no answer from them. Hiw many draft laws they oresented on bringing any practical solution to the problems they identify. They have been in government on multiple occassions ... what did they done to address any of the problem they declare in slogans ? Nothing i can remember...

 

[Clutch]

I have little sympathy for MQM. A little not much but just a little.

Only Allah knows what was happening in 1984 and way before that which led to the birth of MQM.

My community understands very well who is who here in Pakistan.

Another great irony is if any fu**er ever lets say mocks Karachi or her people - then he is indirectly mocking his own community or Pakistan as every ethnicity of Pakistan resides in Karachi. It is Mini Pakistan - as they say.

I am supporter of Imran Khan and also supported PTI election financially during the elections. My family is originally from Lahore but I was born and living abroad.

But I agree with your positions and grievances. Karachi should be given its fair share... I also agree to hold PTI accountable. There is no excuse for this! You have every right to voice your concerns in a free democratic system... We should not become another PeePeePee and start worshiping Imran Khan...

PTI is an means to an end... Not an infallible entity which we must worship... If PTI doesn't deliver the 'Naya Pakistan'... We then need a 'Naya Party'!

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

I am supporter of Imran Khan and also supported PTI election financially during the elections. My family is originally from Lahore but I was born and living abroad.

But I agree with your positions and grievances. Karachi should be given its fair share... I also agree to hold PTI accountable. There is no excuse for this! You have every right to voice your concerns in a free democratic system... We should not become another PeePeePee and start worshiping Imran Khan...

PTI is an means to an end... Not an infallible entity which we must worship... If PTI doesn't deliver the 'Naya Pakistan'... We then need a 'Naya Party'!

Shukriya brother.

I did vote Khan twice - in 2013 and in 2018.

I want him to be successful as well.

We can wait though. IA, Hoping Khan will do something.

We should continue to highlight the issues though.

 

[AZ1]

karachi is like this karachi bus
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Little transformation with same message

 

[kingQamaR]

one thing I noticed I hear and read Karachi’s hate each other. I can sorry now understand why Balochis want to keep there Gawadar not to become like Karachi . common argument

 

[Khan vilatey]

https://www.facebook.com/

Yes. You recognized him right.

He is Hafiz Naeem Ur Rehman from Jamat-e-Islami - main head from Karachi/Sindh region of Jamaat-e-Islaami. You see him on TV as well.

I am surprised as hell. Was really not expecting this. He explained so beautifully. I didn't know that much.

Jamat-e-Islami Karachi chapter has lot of educated folks.

Kudos to that guy.

I seriously hope Mr. Zaidi from PTI explains us further what was that advertisement? What about that letter he wrote to concerned department to seek further explanation.

what cruelty

kv

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

what cruelty

kv

People of Pakistan should raise their voice against quota system

 

[imadul]

Your post is balanced highlighting postive and negative both. So i appreciate despite disagreeing to some aspects of its.

First of all u need to understand that jamaat.e.islami was never loyal to Karachi. Before 1985 Karachi had its complete support for jamaat.e.islami but jamaat despite having alot of street power let bhutto established quota system.

Infact the sole reason of creation of MQM and jamaat.e.islami loosing Karachi was the quota system as jamaat.e.islami compromised on quota system which was hurting Karachi but was favoring rest of the Pakistan at cost of Karachi.

At that time karachi was much more wealghy and center of all economic activities and new development. However this quota system resulted in decay of all institutes of karachi ...

Jamaat is equally responsible the destruction of Karachi along with ppp mqm and anp

JI was a prisoner of its flawed religious politics and has no following. And all religious politico parties getting same fate. Ones which are more sectarian will have a constant but small following...but that's a different discussion.
I agree not talking truth is hypocrisy. So hiding the injustices done to karachi by Zia, PPP, establishment and PMLN, was hypocritical and MQM came out because of that.
Still no political party speaks openly for karachi. They all fear PPP sindh card and Sindhi nationalists' Rona dhona that we wont let karachi separate from Sindh, like sindh is a country. There is a whole bunch of filthy blackmailers there.

 

[mikkix]

How can u make a judgement that i dont k ow anything about jamaat? Do u even know anything about me ? How can u be judgemental ?

Second thing it is myth that mustafa kamal carry on the work of nymatullah. There r 100s of plans of karachi some of the examples are circular railway signal free double shara.e.faisal

Metro train and xyz. Does this matter or make any differences in making plans ? The real challenge is execution and that was done only by mustafa kamal so give the credit where its due. On personal level i have more respect for naimatullah then mustafa kamal but i cannot take credit of mustafa works on my personal feelings.

Thirdly again u being too judgemental never try to understand what i m trying to say. I am not talking about votes. Moulana fazl ur rehman gets even more seats and votes then jamaat but does it means they r more closed to establishment or are they more competent? I dont want to know how much organized jamaat.e.islami. i want to what is their economic policy statement or vision? What is foreign policy statement and viaion and what is their interrior policy statement vsision? They have none except for popular statements like ghurbat mitao ... nokriyan doo ... islami nizam laoo .. sood ko khtam kero .. israel ko nahi mantay ...

I agree with all these statement but actual question is how to do these things and there is no answer from them. Hiw many draft laws they oresented on bringing any practical solution to the problems they identify. They have been in government on multiple occassions ... what did they done to address any of the problem they declare in slogans ? Nothing i can remember...

God bless karachi if jamaat wins again in karachi. This illieterate brainless mullah party will be the last nail in the coffin. Karachi needs educated modern party who knows how to live and develop under modern world.

 

[mikkix]

one thing I noticed I hear and read Karachi’s hate each other. I can sorry now understand why Balochis want to keep there Gawadar not to become like Karachi . common argument

Balochis dont want gwadar to become like karachi because they dont want outsiders in Gwadar mostly from Punjab. Thats the reality.

 

[The Accountant]

Balochis dont want gwadar to become like karachi because they dont want outsiders in Gwadar mostly from Punjab. Thats the reality.

This is not smart thinking on part of baloch. Why to take example of Karachi? The right example should be of Dubai. Karachi and Gawadar are entirely different.

 

[mikkix]

This is not smart thinking on part of baloch. Why to take example of Karachi? The right example should be of Dubai. Karachi and Gawadar are entirely different.

The example of Dubai is not valid for Gwadar. Because Arabs dont allow non arabs or outsiders as equal to themselves. No nationality to outsiders. All the governments or powerful positions held by Dubai Sheikhs. Where as Gwadar is still a part of Pakistan and Balochis are in minority so they are afraid unfortunately due to the fact that they are not in power corridors or ruling elite of Pakistan and hence Gwadar might become a new karachi and Balochis will fight like Interior Sindhis today are. For me i believe Karachi Islamabad and Gwadar should be a Federal territory or something new status for them. It is important for future as smart people takes right decision at right times.

 

[The Accountant]

The example of Dubai is not valid for Gwadar. Because Arabs dont allow non arabs or outsiders as equal to themselves. No nationality to outsiders. All the governments or powerful positions held by Dubai Sheikhs. Where as Gwadar is still a part of Pakistan and Balochis are in minority so they are afraid unfortunately due to the fact that they are not in power corridors or ruling elite of Pakistan and hence Gwadar might become a new karachi and Balochis will fight like Interior Sindhis today are. For me i believe Karachi Islamabad and Gwadar should be a Federal territory or something new status for them. It is important for future as smart people takes right decision at right times.

You are partially correct, but what is Gawadar without CPEC or what Karachi was without British Raj contonment board, manora port and migrants? Karachi was no more then a fishing village.

Sindhi people are not fighting for their rights as the people of interrior Sindh has no share in development of Karachi. Now the city is developed mainly due to external interference they want to control the city.

By example of Dubai I mean you need to work on development of your own local people so that they can get the benefits of development. Rather than trying to build your life on the hard work of others people of Gawadar should work on developing themselves. For people with resources should start investing in business and for poor people they should start getting the skills that can meet the challenging life of developed world.

Why following the example of interrior Sindh as they want to get the benefits without working hard which is not a possibility.

 

[Meengla]

Ahh, the ethnic fault lines of Pakistan, especially in Karachi! Personally, I should be very upset with the Quota System because, way back in the 80s, I should have made to the Sindh Medical College but was denied because of the preferential allocations given to people from the interior Sindh. But I am not upset. Maybe because my background was of privilege and made to America fully funded by the family for education here.

For sure Quota System is a big abuse. It should be Meritocracy! However, there is no point in going back to the hateful politics of MQM. While QS is an injustice, there are plenty of opportunities for the educated people of Karachi to make a decent life. Violence and hate is going to damage the city, as it did before.
So raise the voice and get attention but no mob-violence!!

From my experience through the 1980s in Karachi: Even though the Punjabis were in Karachi for generations they almost always rooted for Zia ul Haq, if they were from Punjab. I don't think they had much empathy for Karachi and its issues. Same with Sindhis. I was educated in Pakistan through the university years and even in the university years the ethnic divides were so palpable. Jamaat e Islami people were more neutral but they too were not totally immune.

 

[mikkix]

You are partially correct, but what is Gawadar without CPEC or what Karachi was without British Raj contonment board, manora port and migrants? Karachi was no more then a fishing village.

Sindhi people are not fighting for their rights as the people of interrior Sindh has no share in development of Karachi. Now the city is developed mainly due to external interference they want to control the city.

By example of Dubai I mean you need to work on development of your own local people so that they can get the benefits of development. Rather than trying to build your life on the hard work of others people of Gawadar should work on developing themselves. For people with resources should start investing in business and for poor people they should start getting the skills that can meet the challenging life of developed world.

Why following the example of interrior Sindh as they want to get the benefits without working hard which is not a possibility.

Theoritically you may right but realistically i have reservations. Balochis dont have money, resources and skills to develop themselves and Gwadar. It is our responsibility and we will do it but can you still belive Balochis will not act like Sindhis are doing now? Secondly i didnt said Sindhis are fighting for their rights but they are fighting for the city which is under sindh map. Balochis will fight for the city which is under balochistan jurisdiction. Its not a matter of rights rather than the jurisdiction.
The only thing way forward is to declare it a federal union so that no claim will be made in future and all people irrespective of castes and language can come and work together for the mutual benefit.