Day after FOC Tejas becomes par with Gripen

[A.P. Richelieu]

India is not interested in Gripen and F-16 anymore. Competition has been opened up for twin engine jets now.

That is for political reasons. The Indian Government does not want to be accused by the opposition for this and that so they “open up” to dual engine fighters.
India has already decided that Rafale is too expensive, and since Eurofighter is even more expensive it is also a non flyer.
If India was really interested in F-16, it would have made the decision today.
Competition will be between F/A-18 and Gripen, where the main argument for the Hornet is that the naval version is proven, and it might make sense to buy the same for the navy.
The Gripen advantage is that it has shown over and over again that it can defeat both F-16s and Chinese Flankers even with Gripen C, which is what India needs.

 

[LKJ86]

The Gripen advantage is that it has shown over and over again that it can defeat both F-16s and Chinese Flankers even with Gripen C, which is what India needs.

But J-10A defeated Thailand's Gripen C in 2017.

 

[I S I]

It's at par with EVERYTHING...except that TATA truck that carry it.

 

[Mace]

You know WHATEVER an indian says or claims, the opposite is always true......

You are the smartest person of Pak origin ever

You alone returning to Pak will increase its average iq by 5 points

On par with Gripen said no expert ever aside the Indian media....

How do you rate JF17 to Gripen C?

 

[maximuswarrior]

That is for political reasons. The Indian Government does not want to be accused by the opposition for this and that so they “open up” to dual engine fighters.
India has already decided that Rafale is too expensive, and since Eurofighter is even more expensive it is also a non flyer.
If India was really interested in F-16, it would have made the decision today.
Competition will be between F/A-18 and Gripen, where the main argument for the Hornet is that the naval version is proven, and it might make sense to buy the same for the navy.
The Gripen advantage is that it has shown over and over again that it can defeat both F-16s and Chinese Flankers even with Gripen C, which is what India needs.

They are not interested in your Gripen. India already has something on par which is the Tejas LOL

 

[randomradio]

That is for political reasons. The Indian Government does not want to be accused by the opposition for this and that so they “open up” to dual engine fighters.
India has already decided that Rafale is too expensive, and since Eurofighter is even more expensive it is also a non flyer.

Lol. Nope. And no, the twin engine contest has nothing to do with the opposition.

If India was really interested in F-16, it would have made the decision today.

No, it doesn't work like that.

Competition will be between F/A-18 and Gripen, where the main argument for the Hornet is that the naval version is proven, and it might make sense to buy the same for the navy.
The Gripen advantage is that it has shown over and over again that it can defeat both F-16s and Chinese Flankers even with Gripen C, which is what India needs.

The SH is outdated, the IAF is not going to go for it. It's the same for the F-16. Both were rejected during MMRCA for being old tech with no real future. You can say Gripen E is much better placed than the Americans, even both the Russian entrants.

Gripen E is the the second most competitive bird after the Rafale due to its more advanced avionics than the Typhoon. But it's no longer MMRCA standards.

LCA Mk2. Now called MWF:
Payload = 6.5T
Fuel = 3.3T+
MTOW = 17.5T

One of our ADA directors confirmed it. When asked if the new LCA Mk2, which matches the Gripen E, will meet IAF's new MMRCA specs, he said no. He points out the difference in engines and then says, "It's not exactly MMRCA, but slightly different from that".

5:00 to 5:45
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1LyxByALYVEJN

So if the new Gripen E-equivalent MWF does not meet MMRCA specs, then neither will Gripen.

 

[Ultima Thule]

No. That would be AMCA MK2.

@HalfMoon

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

You are the smartest person of Pak origin ever

You alone returning to Pak will increase its average iq by 5 points



How do you rate JF17 to Gripen C?

The average IQ of the indian race is lower.........:

https://brainstats.com/average-iq-by-country.html

 

[waz]

How do you rate JF17 to Gripen C?

Dude inferior it's not on par with the Gripen. The Gripen is based on experience that Sweden and in particular Saab has notched up since the 1950's, also remember the Swedes were the first, alongside the UK to deploy a supersonic aircraft in Western Europe.
Sure you can take help like Pakistan has, take leap frogs like India has with off the shelf tech, but it's simply not the same thing.
But anyway I think the Tejas is a good effort and potent with the numbers India eventually decides to operate.

 

[GriffinsRule]

Was Saab even show casing the new Gripen at Aero India this year? I think they have finally realized India was taking them on a 15+ year ride and after spending tons of time and money trying to vie for an order from the MRCA joke, they finally have wisened up. And to think that had they not had blinders in their eyes over the last two decades, they would have had PAF as a large operator of their type long ago.
For the rest of the world, sit back and enjoy the LCA Mk 2 drama serial to start. Lets see how they screw this up in every possible way.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Lol. Nope. And no, the twin engine contest has nothing to do with the opposition.

No, it doesn't work like that.

The SH is outdated, the IAF is not going to go for it. It's the same for the F-16. Both were rejected during MMRCA for being old tech with no real future. You can say Gripen E is much better placed than the Americans, even both the Russian entrants.

Gripen E is the the second most competitive bird after the Rafale due to its more advanced avionics than the Typhoon. But it's no longer MMRCA standards.

LCA Mk2. Now called MWF:
Payload = 6.5T
Fuel = 3.3T+
MTOW = 17.5T

One of our ADA directors confirmed it. When asked if the new LCA Mk2, which matches the Gripen E, will meet IAF's new MMRCA specs, he said no. He points out the difference in engines and then says, "It's not exactly MMRCA, but slightly different from that".

5:00 to 5:45
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1LyxByALYVEJN

So if the new Gripen E-equivalent MWF does not meet MMRCA specs, then neither will Gripen.

If India wanted the Rafale there would be no need to run another tender.
It could just reopen the negotiations with Dassault and France.
Modis government have already stated that it is too expensive.
With a Defense Budget of 1.58% of GDP there is no money for Rafale.
IAF is underfunded.

And no, LCA Mk II is not equivalent to Gripen.
Gripen can use Meteor, MBDA has told India it will not qualify Meteor for non Western aircraft.
Does the radar have enhanced capabilities to detect stealth?
What is the user interface for the pilot? Is he overloaded or not?
How well does the aircraft network with other aircraft in the flight?
What is the cost of operating the aircraft?
How much training do you need to get the aircraft refueled and rearmed between flight.
How fast can you get the aircraft up in the air after red alert.Gripen: 1 minute, F-16:5 min, LCA:?

LCA is Bolton Paul Defiant, and IAF would prefer a Spitfire.
To the untrained eye, they are not very different.

 

[randomradio]

If India wanted the Rafale there would be no need to run another tender.

Yes, there is. We are bringing in private companies, so we need a tender to pick an Indian company.

It could just reopen the negotiations with Dassault and France.

An MII contract would need negotiations anyway. So it has to reopened.

Modis government have already stated that it is too expensive.

No.

With a Defense Budget of 1.58% of GDP there is no money for Rafale.
IAF is underfunded.

India will be more than $5T economy by 2025. 1.58% of that is $79B.

This "no money for Rafale" was only for that year, since money wasn't allocated and it was the end of the year, with just 2 months to go for the next financial year. It was just bureaucratic. It wasn't because we were too poor or broke. In the next financial year, when money could have been allocated, GoI cancelled MMRCA instead and initiated GTG.

And no, LCA Mk II is not equivalent to Gripen.

Yes, it is.

Gripen can use Meteor, MBDA has told India it will not qualify Meteor for non Western aircraft.

https://www.livefistdefence.com/201...e-a-step-closer-with-drdos-new-sfdr-test.html

This missile is being made for LCA Mk2. So there is no need of Meteor for Mk2.

And MBDA has no problems integrating Meteor with an Indian radar anyway. What they refused was integrating the missile on the LCA Mk1A, which uses an Israeli radar, and of course the Russian Su-30MKI. So even Meteor is available for Mk2.

Does the radar have enhanced capabilities to detect stealth?

Yes.

What is the user interface for the pilot? Is he overloaded or not?

The same as Gripen's. The aircraft will use IMA architecture with sensor fusion. Along with all the usual thingamajiggies, large displays, HMDS, HOTAS etc.

How well does the aircraft network with other aircraft in the flight?

Ridiculously well. Especially with India's entire IACCS, which is very difficult to implement with a foreign aircraft.

What is the cost of operating the aircraft?

Obviously cheaper than Gripen. The entire aircraft is made of composites, so the wear and tear on it will be superior to Gripen's mix of composites and metals. Plus both have the same engine, so both will have the same engine costs.

How much training do you need to get the aircraft refueled and rearmed between flight.

I think you are talking about turnaround time. It's pretty much the same as Gripen E. Both have the same nominal weapons load and fuel capacity after all.

ADA wants to beat Gripen E's specs in all parameters, including avionics. For example, Gripen uses GaAs for its radar, ADA wants to use GaN. Gripen's IRST is single channel, LCA's will be dual channel, the same with MAWS.

How fast can you get the aircraft up in the air after red alert.Gripen: 1 minute, F-16:5 min, LCA:?

Same engine, genius. This was a dumb question.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Yes, there is. We are bringing in private companies, so we need a tender to pick an Indian company.

An MII contract would need negotiations anyway. So it has to reopened.

No.

India will be more than $5T economy by 2025. 1.58% of that is $79B.

This "no money for Rafale" was only for that year, since money wasn't allocated and it was the end of the year, with just 2 months to go for the next financial year. It was just bureaucratic. It wasn't because we were too poor or broke. In the next financial year, when money could have been allocated, GoI cancelled MMRCA instead and initiated GTG.

Yes, it is.

https://www.livefistdefence.com/201...e-a-step-closer-with-drdos-new-sfdr-test.html

This missile is being made for LCA Mk2. So there is no need of Meteor for Mk2.

And MBDA has no problems integrating Meteor with an Indian radar anyway. What they refused was integrating the missile on the LCA Mk1A, which uses an Israeli radar, and of course the Russian Su-30MKI. So even Meteor is available for Mk2.

Yes.

The same as Gripen's. The aircraft will use IMA architecture with sensor fusion. Along with all the usual thingamajiggies, large displays, HMDS, HOTAS etc.

Ridiculously well. Especially with India's entire IACCS, which is very difficult to implement with a foreign aircraft.

Obviously cheaper than Gripen. The entire aircraft is made of composites, so the wear and tear on it will be superior to Gripen's mix of composites and metals. Plus both have the same engine, so both will have the same engine costs.

I think you are talking about turnaround time. It's pretty much the same as Gripen E. Both have the same nominal weapons load and fuel capacity after all.

ADA wants to beat Gripen E's specs in all parameters, including avionics. For example, Gripen uses GaAs for its radar, ADA wants to use GaN. Gripen's IRST is single channel, LCA's will be dual channel, the same with MAWS.

Same engine, genius. This was a dumb question.

The answer of a true wannabee.
“wants to” does not mean anything.

 

[randomradio]

The answer of a true wannabee.
“wants to” does not mean anything.

It doesn't matter. The LCA Mk2 is being supported by multiple other programs, like the Mig-29UPG, Jaguar DARIN II/III and MKI upgrade programs, so it's much more vast than what Saab is trying to do.

The IAF has decided that they will choose the LCA Mk2 over Gripen E. It's only after that did the competition open up to Rafale, Typhoon etc for the sake of picking a twin engine jet.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

It doesn't matter. The LCA Mk2 is being supported by multiple other programs, like the Mig-29UPG, Jaguar DARIN II/III and MKI upgrade programs, so it's much more vast than what Saab is trying to do.

The IAF has decided that they will choose the LCA Mk2 over Gripen E. It's only after that did the competition open up to Rafale, Typhoon etc for the sake of picking a twin engine jet.

The IAF has not decided anything. It is the government that makes the decisions.
The government may change after next election.
Even if the govenment remains, Modi might shuffle the ministers.
That could change everything.

You appear to live in a fantasy world where you think there is some rational thinking in India, instead of the whim of the day. Basically IAF and the government are running around like headless chickens and have been doing so for the last ten years.