Exactly! So it will be detected at half the distance, which makes it clearly more difficult to counter it, compared to MKI. So by logic, sending a Rafale to such a mission is less risky than sending an MKI, that can be detected and countered much earlier.
Out of context ,you are pulling up lines from in between statements .
Rafale will not be detected at half distance of Su30 , wrong ?? . When I wrote they were arbitrary figures
Look at radar equation in terms of RCS , RCS is not directly proportional for range , but varies as 1/4th root of RCS
That is the biggest mistake everyone makes when they try to downplay F15/Su30 like fighter with comparison to others .
So if you compare armed su30 v armed rafale in A2A detection by hostile radar
Contribution mathematically is 1.32 by Rafale(3m2 RCS) and 1.85 by su30 (12m2 RCS) by the fourth root of respective RCS as per above radar equation .
Keep all parameters same , multiply by same 100 in both factors .
Range for Rafale comes 132 , while range for su30 comes 185 .
At these ranges , neither Rafale can fire MICA nor Su30 can fire R77. And Erieye would know each of them at 250kms+ range
For Air2A
50 Kms difference right ??, and su30 makes it up by powerful radar in comparison to RBE2 .
In addition R77 has 50km advantage over Rafale .
For A2G
At this range , Su30/F16/F18/ can fire ARM missile with 150+range while Rafale has to wait to get 60kms for AASM.
50 Kms difference right ??,
Rafale is detected late - yes .
But not that late - that it can hide to get close to AWACS/Jet (within 50 kms of Erieye to fire MICA) before other AWACS or jet knows Rafale is flying around .
Even a mediocre AWACS will pick up Rafale (2-3m2 RCS) at more than 60kms
For that matter Erieye2000 + F16-APG68 + su30-MKK + Jf17 have powerful radars .
All above figures are just speculation , far from actual RCS figures of Jet+missile+Tank which only Manufacturer's know .
Point stands -
-Buying rafale - you don't go invisible
-MICA can only be fired at 50Kms range ( Armed Rafale dosen't have stealth to get close to within 50kms of Eriye undetected )
-Rafale lacks HMS for WVR edge
-F16 /MKM can fire AIM120/R77 at more than 100kms range
Conclusion , buying any Jet in MRCA as costly as F22/Pak-Fa even , dosen't brings stealth to outsmart F16+Erieye and reach within 50kms of F16 undetected ,
only jet that can do it are outright stealth design in all electromagnetic spectrum.,
or a jet like su30 armed with long-range anti-AWACS missile .
RCS point is moot and flawed ,
Eurofighter and Gripen have better RCS than Rafale and more BVR capable with AIM120c7 and of course with HMS
Btw, don't misunderstand me, every MMRCA will have this clear advantage, but only Rafale and F18SH imo have the capabilities to do such missions and survive
No , F18+F16 both
wait for my next post about Cueing of weapons by EWS suite
Claimed by you, but as I showed you an F18SH pilot itself, that said that he could detect the Rafale only when it was too late to react.
cherry picking from blogs
Don't tell me you believe it .
Just to show Flaws -
No mention of ROE( Engagement rules , whether strong point of F18 were neutralized by rules - Like just 50kms range allowed with AIM120 to make it favorable to French wrt to MICA + Radar were in training mode to neutralize APG-79 which is strongest point of F18)
No mention of AWACS , while 2 posts back educating me PAF has awacs ........ etc etc etc
Hard to swallow APG79 AESA on F18 failed in comparison to PESA-RBE of Rafale
Third - 10KW antennae of APG79 which can detect 1m2 RCS at more than 120+Kms failed to detect 2m2 Rafale .
To answer that , still vintage Jaguar could detect Rafale and destroy . And a Bison can beat F15E.
UAE wants Rafale with Meteor even before we get the first MMRCAs
Does it imply Sweden,UK,Germany who are developers and partners will get late than UAE ( if at all deal finalizes this year) ----- Baseless .
But it's funny that you say that and starts quoting from forums too.
Btw, Jaguars against Rafale F1 right?
To show , how you are selectively biased
DBC is correct .
You happily quote - Rafale did this , did that , but don't tell when Rafale lose .
In Red-Flag2008 as Video of Col debriefing says - French were not engaging/taking shot but only spying out there .
But you quote "rafale performed excellent in Red-Flag " not that video .
A video is better proof than some blog/forum statements by some random person
btw you mention Bharat-Rakshak link but you don't point to another article link on same page describing Rafale as an ordinary machine + criticism of rafale .
I have not posted single evaluation report where Gripen/Eurofighter/F16/F18 won or are leading .
Or reports where two Eurofighter beat 14 F15