Dassault Rafale, tender | News & Discussions [Thread 2]

[ayodhyapati]

China just recives S400 batteries
That's the father waiting for RAFAELs and to make sure that another abhinandan of IAF shot down and captured by PLA?
and BTW they won't be returning him back!
and no dam tea will be served for this time!

Why do you guys take S-400 so seriously?
China buys S-400 just to upgrade the old S-300.

S-400 is just like Su-35 to China.

russia stopped deal of s400 because of old chinese habit of spying everywhere .

 

[ayodhyapati]

Says who?

Where was the fleet of 230+ Su-30 MKIs (mini awacs) when Operation Swift Retort was launched in broad dalylight against India?

I heard they bingoed out. Is that true?

what can you do with airforce ? bombing here and there ? you can not get a piece of land for that you need army , but your army is not as capable as your pilots .

 

[1648]

After Rafale, F-22 will be the game changer.

 

[HalfMoon]

Former IAF chief B S Dhanoa, the architect of Indian humiliation last year comes out with all praise for the mighty Rafale as the sole saviour of Bharat Mata in the present situation. He stops short in nearly declaring the Rafale, an important Indian deity .I am amazed and bemused how this Sardarji made it right to the top to lead a big airforce. Below are some extracts of his interview with HT.
" The Rafale with its top of the line electronic warfare suite, Meteor beyond visual range missile and SCALP air to ground weapon with its terrain following capability outguns any threat that the Chinese Air Force produces. Painting a wartime scenario, former top gun said : “ If the IAF is successful in destruction of enemy air defences and suppression of enemy air defences, then the Chinese fighters out in the open at Hotan air base and at Gonggar air base at Lhasa airport are fair targets. Some 70 Chinese aircraft are without protection at Hotan and some 26 aircraft may be parked inside a tunnel which the PLA were building at Lhasa air base,” the former air chief said."
While Air Chief Marshal (Retd) Dhanoa recognises the threat presented by Chinese J-20 fifth generation fighter, he is very confident that the IAF with its latest Rafale and Su-30 MKI will be able to counter the best the Chinese throw at India.
“ If Chinese equipment was so good, then why did the Pakistanis only use F-16 aircraft to attack Nangi Tekri brigade in Rajouri sector on February 27, 2019 with Chinese JF-17 merely giving air defence cover to Mirage 3/5 bombers. The Mirage 3/5 dropped the H 2/4 bombs from a safe distance with the JF 17 in a supportive role providing Air Defence to these aircraft! Why does Pakistan use Swedish early air warning platforms up north and keep Chinese AWACS in the south? Why is Pakistan mounting European radar (Selex Gallelio) and Turkish targeting pod on Chinese JF-17 ? The answer is quite evident,” the former Chief said.
However, the brilliant air tactician recognizes the Chinese threat in form of surface to air missile batteries and artillery guns, which the PLA has packed in occupied Aksai Chin. But he also makes it very clear that with no tree line cover available to the Chinese platforms, they would be sitting ducks if the air defence cover is blown over. “ The Rafale with its advanced terrain following weapons and level II of Digital Terrain Elevation Data available to the Indian pilot, the error probability of the weapon is reduced to mere 10 metres. As I have said in the past, Rafale is a game changer,” former Air Chief Dhanoa said.
While Dhanoa appreciates the enemy threat, his serving IAF officers make it very clear that the Chinese equipment is not only inferior to the US equipment but also the Russian equipment. “ Why does Chinese Air Force use Russian Su-30 and Su-35 fighters while facing the US threat in South China Sea? The fact is that the Chinese fighters are no match for the American equipment Majority of Chinese equipment is reverse engineering of Russian equipment and fighters have designs of either Su-27 or Su 30 platform. They are even powered by Russian AL 31 F (Su-30) and RD 33 (MiG-29) engines,” a serving air commander told Hindustan Times.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...hief-dhanoa/story-3UJINQ1r8cuGputdMeQpOJ.html

Mr B S (Bull Shit) Dhanoa has out rightly downgraded the Chinese hardware, such complacency is not a hall mark of a professional. He should be lucky PAF spared his modesty last year, otherwise he would have been in EXILE by now. IAF with this over confident mindset might end up being decimated, if the PAF and PLAAF duo intend to show some force. Both have been practicing hard for this BATTLE for some time in the neighbourhoods of Ladakh (Shaheen exercises).

His name is BS.

Enough said.

 

[HalfMoon]

what pleasure are you deriving in people dying ?

I have sympathies for their lives but not their skill. You should try to differentiate things in life.

 

[duhastmish]

Lost land is debatable for it is virtually impossible for anyone outside of the power structure with access to the details and sat imagery to really know. Active duty guys will obviously not speak on it.

A whole new industry of analysts has popped up with the maps and fingers and Chinese here, Indian there.. nobody really knows.

I would say it is possible we lost land but equally possible we did not.

Give the Rafales a year or 2 before expecting them to be deployed on combat duty, MKIs and the rest are good enough for CAP or any offensive or defensive missions till then.

We must master it before wielding it in a field of battle.. China, Pak and India.. all concerned parties understand this well so it is obviously not a threat to anyone just yet.

We lack in training. Even though when we look around and see poverty but because we have bigger fear of defence because of region we live in. We buy the most expensive hardware available.
We must train regeroualy. The sarkari way of dealing things is what pushes us back.

I hope we lower the numbers of crashes. MAY our jets fly high WHILE soldiers keep us safe and proud.

 

[Hephaestus]

FINALLY !!!!

The end of a long, long, too long story.

I'm sure IAF will love that bird as they loved Mirage 2000 before.

A great day for India. I'm proud.

Je Suis Ravi.

 

[Crixus]

Scam no Scam it will add a lot of potential in Indian air force like Mirages , so a good addition in armed forces

 

[ayodhyapati]

Scam no Scam it will add a lot of potential in Indian air force like Mirages , so a good addition in armed forces

yes .

 

[I S I]

His name starts with BS. What do you expect. Lmao

 

[Death Professor]

wonder how much truth is in this snapshot? I haven't read both the deals side by side, but if any informed indian would like to present the benefits of the newer deal compared to the older one in a summarized form, would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Crixus]

Just for you he is comparing the price of 2005 with 2016. Price of just air craft with aircraft + weapon package.

Every one knows there is no TOT in real world

wonder how much truth is in this snapshot? I haven't read both the deals side by side, but if any informed indian would like to present the benefits of the newer deal compared to the older one in a summarized form, would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Crixus]

As an Indian I can say if we believe in any western country then its French .... long live our cooperation and we always remain on same side

Hopefully they will go for 4-5 more squadrons of rafales ... plus additional scopene submarines in case France offers Baracuda then go for Baraccuda .

Training between French Foreign Legion and SFF .....

FINALLY !!!!

The end of a long, long, too long story.

I'm sure IAF will love that bird as they loved Mirage 2000 before.

A great day for India. I'm proud.

 

[baqai]

Seriously how did he managed to score the position of COAS? i have heard good things about their current Chief, someone we should not take lightly and keep a keen eye on, this doofus is just trying to be relevant most probably to score a BJP seat

 

[baqai]

rafael ku cow urine sai nehla kar pure kab kar rahay hain bhai?